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The Makings of a Holy Warrior, Origins of a Terrorist

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posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 12:34 PM
I came across this article (very non-partisan) today and thought it well explains the origins and making of terrorists that are in fanatical religious groups.
Its a very good read covering fanatics from US Chistian Coalition groups all the way to Al Qaidas network.

My interviews suggest that people join religious terrorist groups partly to transform themselves and to simplify life. They start out feeling humiliated, enraged that they are viewed by some "other" as second class. They take on new identities as martyrs on behalf of a purported spiritual cause. The spiritually perplexed learn to focus on action. The weak become strong. The selfish become altruists, ready to make the ultimate sacrifice of their lives in the belief that their death will serve a supposed public good.

Rage turns to conviction. They seem to enter a kind of trance, where the world is divided neatly between good and evil, victim and oppressor. Uncertainty and ambivalence, always painful to experience, are banished. There is no room for the other side's point of view. Because they believe their cause is just and that God is on their side, they persuade themselves that any action - no matter how heinous - is justified. They know they are right, not just politically, but morally.

In their view, arrogant one-worlders, humanists and promoters of human rights have created an engine of modernity that is stealing their identity. The greatest rage - and the greatest danger - stems from those who feel they can't keep up, even as they claim to be superior to those who set the pace. Over time, in some cases, cynicism takes hold. Terrorism becomes a career as much as a passion. What starts out as moral fervour about humiliation and deprivation becomes a sophisticated organisation. Grievance can end up as greed - for status, attention, political power or money. The rest of the world needs to understand this dynamic, and exploit it in every possible way, by sowing discord, confusion, and rivalry among terrorists and between terrorists and their sponsors.

Financial Times article by Jessica Stearns

The above while it seems like a big quote constitutes only a small portion of the article. There is something to be learned for everyone in this riviting study of what makes a terrorist tick.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 12:56 PM
Wow, this is the biggest load of Donkey doo doo I have heard since " I smoked but I didn't inhale."

No, and I repeat no Christian Coalition groups have decapitated innocent civilians, blown up a Church of a rival Christian sect or tried to kill "non believers."

The British thought the "Sons of Liberty" were terrorists.
The U.S. thought that Geronimo was a terrorist.

The S.O.B.'s who killed Nick Berg, blew up the Embassies in Tanzania and blow up a bus of Israeli civilians are terrorists.

What makes them that way? School starts now...
There is a mindset in the Middle East that progress equals Westernization.
Westernization is evil because well, look at Hollywood and all it brings to advancing civilization. Porn, drink, turning on God. That is what the locals think Westernization is.
Add to this no jobs, oppressive governments and no centralized Islamic government means that any local Imam with a third grade education can raise an instantant army of dissaffected youths and give them a purpose.

The West has helped these piles of excrement grow by forgettting that people have their own way of thinking. We need to be sensetive to local customs and tread lightly. Unless you say you want to kill all non belivers. Then we will squash you.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 01:04 PM
The first terrorist was Jesus as far as I'm concerned. Religion has always been a large source of violence and oppression. God condoned a suicide attack in the bible and jesus chose to be crucified so he could be a martyr. Brainwashing people and installing a value system causes things like holy wars. Eliminate it at the source, that's how you defeat terrorism.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 01:23 PM

Originally posted by crmanager
Wow, this is the biggest load of Donkey doo doo I have heard since " I smoked but I didn't inhale."

No, and I repeat no Christian Coalition groups have decapitated innocent civilians, blown up a Church of a rival Christian sect or tried to kill "non believers."

As a conservative I understand your sentiments, but the claim is wrong and will be pointed out by someone so I might as well do it now before you get flamed.

Remember the Jewish radio host in Denver shot down in cold blood? thats one chaulked up to christian extremists, there are others but its not neccessary to go through the list.

As I said in my original post there is something to be found in this article for everyone and it is VERY non-partisan, some supports what we conservatives have contended and some supports what liberals have contended - the main thing is we all have something to learn from this article even if we don't agree with the entire body of it.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 01:54 PM
The talk show host was killed by a white supremecist. A terrorist.
Tacking Christian on the end is unnecessary and inflammatory.

This has nothing to do with religion. More people have been killed in the name of GOD then any disease or war put together. Led by people who use GOD to further their cause.

The Crusades were meant to give the Europeans a reason for being. The wars of old Europe were to protect the Churches dominance.

This stuff going on over there is no different.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 03:35 PM
Great post. And possibly provides some insight to creating an effective strategy in dealing with terrorism...............

I want to study this a bit more and do some related research before commenting

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 05:53 PM
Excellent post, Phoenix. I don't want to get embroiled in the Christian Coalition groups being blameless, but there have been abortion clinics blown up, and doctors murdered in the name of the Lord.

End of THAT topic, as far as I'm concerned. Let's tune into this article that you found instead.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 05:58 PM
Yeah, its demonstratably one of the most informative basis for what drives these people that I have come across in the many years of attention to terrorists that I have come across.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 08:10 PM
You should try Thomas Friedman of the NYT’s.............. if you haven’t already done so………unique person and a most patient chronicler of the Middle East………

He has traveled extensively thru the Middle East and also writes a book or two on the subject.

I think also the concept of 'humiliation' felt by ME Islamics’ &Arabs' was examined on PBS...........maybe Frontline. Don't quote me here.

AND about of the best I've read on Islam (and that's not too much) Schwartz’s, The 2 Faces of Islam.............I recommend it as a basic book in re problem. ...............’enufsaid.

The awareness of this, as the root cause of how folks may become open to joining to a terrorist’s group...........demonstrates the bankruptcy OF, and un-win-ability of our War on Terrorism (Short of killing damned near everyone in the ME. I like winning but there are limits you know........)

I also have wondered if author, Jessica Stern, has examined another component I am aware of within the process of becoming a terrorist ………….. That being the deep feeling of ………..” despair”. Such a deep sense of hopelessness that one no longer values life –one’s own or anyone else’s - or maybe akin to, being one of the walking dead. She does not mention it here; but she has also has a book on the subject.

Before I buy the book I plan on asking her………….

Excellent post…………. And from you…………..a most pleasant and reassuring surprise. You are a most interesting and curious thinker.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 09:00 PM
A terrorist is any person of middle eastern decent that doesn't agree with Bush.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 09:14 PM
Its interesting though because if you keep the Bush administration in mind while you read that snippet you can see that Bush himself is in a way a terrorist. The War on Evil, All the talk about God on our side, War in Iraq=WMDs (political), democracy/end Saddam regime (moral). Its funny cause basically a lot of people who are religious can be thought of as a terrorist.

posted on Jun, 12 2004 @ 09:36 PM
You expect a star for that?

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