Left Winged Extremist School System!?!?

Okay, I will try my best to write what I am thinking but it's hard to explain it. The USA political madness section seemed perfect for this because education is a political issue.

I know many of you don't agree with my views but why do you keep saying things like

"It doesn't surprise me that you are a college student" ,"Schools are excessively leftist", "you have been indoctrinated in"

Do you think liberals become teachers in order to spread lies to students?

Why are so many of you against schools like Harvard?

So the main question is: Are colleges breeding students who are learning from extremely biased left winged or are people involved in academia just forming the most logical and positive points of view?

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[edit on 19-6-2010 by Skyfloating]

Humm

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Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) was a national socialist in the U.S. and created the pledge of allegiance to the flag using a straight-armed salute, recognized as the so-called "Roman" salute. See photos and video below. In his Pledge of Allegiance, Francis Bellamy expressed ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy (1850-1898), author of the American socialist utopian novels, “Looking Backward” (1888) and “Equality” (1897). Bellamy proposed the original socialist salute and the pledge after he joined the staff of the magazine titled "Youth's Companion." Bellamy believed that the best way to promote socialism was by removing children from their parents and placing them in socialized government schools and other youth groups. Although every individual is different, the Bellamys wanted to use government and government schools to force everyone to be the same. Both Bellamys had been openly involved in the National Socialism movement and the "Nationalist" magazine.

Schools are collectivist indoctrination centers, conditioning you not to be a unique, creative, spiritual and self-determined individual but part of the hive-mind that should do what everyone else does and what the state tells you to do. So the answer to your OP is yes.

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If that was true then how is it that so many young people are coming to sites like this?

It would seem most humans who have the ability to think for themselves even a little instinctively know there is something amiss with the world they live in.

When A person feels there is something inherently wrong with society and they don’t receive the answers they seek from the mainstream, it would appear that they seek out truth the old fashion way, by coming to site like this.

Truth is a SOB to find amidst so much garbage but it is there. The mainstream doesn’t expect you to find it and they know that by keeping truth suppressed among what would be for the most part conspiratorial ideology they hold the cards for the majority.

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its probably because a small percentage of the actual population that isnt conditioned will seem like a lot of people on a site like ats.

Originally posted by archives
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

If that was true then how is it that so many young people are coming to sites like this?

Kids are slowly waking up, but not nearly fast enough... The mistake that Kids make. Is they think people really care about their views... It's OK we all were Stupid kids at one point. but as we grow older we learn how the world really works, I don't think most of the older member like being talked down too, by a snot nose college punk. at least I know I don't. I think This site also draws in the Kids who are all into Ghost and UFO's which doesn't mean they have sound political views...

I believe the public school system, in and of itself, is a socialist agenda. Especially when you consider the government thinks it should own and control it. That everybody should have the same basic education, etc.

Thankfully, it is a teenager's nature to question things. Be those things authority, or things they've been taught, the actual questioning is not a bad thing.

The disturbing trend is that so many people grow up and forget HOW to question things. You can't just blame education, if you consider that not all kids go to college. In fact, in some areas, as many as 1 in 3 students don't even graduate from high school.

It isn't just the school system, it's society as a whole that backs up certain indoctrines. Society says we all must fit in, that we all must be sheeple. How sad that so many give up, accept and bow to the system. How sad that so many forget that things NEED to be questioned.

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More and more people are waking up thanks to the truly inspirational teachers who dare to teach the truth instead of accepted gov't approved curriculum.

They are the ones who told us we had been lied to about history our whole lives and told us to research for ourselves and look at things from every point of view. Only after this are we to make our own decisions about what is truth.

Academics used to be where people simply studied - Different ideas; different points of view.

In a setting where your performance is measured by an ability to conform, you create an environment that is conducive to narrow minded, bigoted, and naive people. (What I mean by this is the fact that if you teach kids to never question things and look at them from a different perspective then 'Daddy thought that way, so I do too.' kind of thinking never dies.)

Education is meant to be limited to Math and Language.

Science is an inbetween area where the more in depth you get, the less black and white the accepted norm gets.

History is perspective and written by the winners of conflicts. It can be used in a way that is just as effective as religion at furthering a groups power over the masses.

The problem is that the base of what individuals need to know would only lend to a curriculum that would last 5 or 6 years. That would seriously hinder the ability of parents to work full time, or it would create more of a demand for child care specialists and thus taking away from the corporate work force.

Also the school system as it is insures that what children are taught is decided by the government. If they leave impressionable youth to their own devices to postulate their own thoughts and opinions then the ultimate power loses control.

What is happening then?? Ahhh.. They never counted on the internet. They are just now realizing that this transfer of information is an ultimate threat to their power. They were too blinded by the short term control this type of technology could afford them.

All they saw was how they could track people, spread propaganda, and further degrade the family/community structure that was a thorn in their sides.

Let those whom you label as enemies because of their personal beliefs associate with your friends and soon you will find you have no friends at all.

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The United States educational system is nothing but indoctrination centers to prop up the benevolence of the Government.

If we examine the public school system from kindergarten through high school and onwards into colleges, we see that the agenda is not to produce highly capable citizens that are informed and educated, but rather the creation of governmental drones that have grown to understand that government is needed to succeed and survive in life.

That is why the Department of Education does not look kindly upon private schools, charter schools, school choice, and vouchers for kids that are stuck in horrendous inner-city public schools, and the holy-grail, home-schooling. While on the surface, the Department does tolerate these to an extent, but will lay its heavy hand upon any one of these if they start to grow too powerful.

Examine how the Government pushes for earlier and earlier inclusion into the system. I believe, and it may sound a bit off the wall and definitely conspiratorial, that the Government since the creation of the DOE, has been attempting to model itself after religion. In saying that, they can examine how each of the worlds major religions start at the youngest age to ensure the growth and widespread protestation that their religion is the truth. It nearly guarantees a lifetime commitment towards propagating it as such from individuals who have become indoctrinated into said religion.

To connect the two, Government has sought after the minds of youth via a ‘public’ school system under the guise of wanting to educate the youth so they can be productive members of society, yet produce no such thing in a large amount of cases. By placing children into the ‘public’ system, the Government achieves its goals of indoctrination into what ever the Government wants, not society. What is produced is a societal youth that has been manipulated to think they do not need to be productive members of society to obtain the wants in life. They have learned that grades are subjective and are not concrete to the work they produce. They have learned that they deserve respect where no respect was earned.

To label it as a ‘leftist’ agenda I am unsure if that is entirely correct. It is more about bringing social democracy to fruition than it is a leftist agenda. It is about teaching children social issues, rather than mathematics. It is teaching kids about sex, rather than learning how to read and comprehend. It is about setting the bar as low as possible in order to create a dependant society that seeks the help of the growing omnipotence of the Government, rather than giving the children the tools to succeed in life as a self governing, responsible, determined individual.

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After rereading my post, I see that it may come off as a bit anti-government and that is not the case. I am merely trying to point out that we currently have a system that is contradictory and quite a paradox.

One of the crown rights we enjoy is our ability to redress the Government. To redress the government, one must be able to think for themselves; critically nonetheless!

Yet we allow that very Government in which we are to be the unspoken Fourth Branch of Government to educate our children. Do you think that the Government would torpedo its own boat by ensuring free thinking people are the product of their system? Or do you think that they would instill into the minds a dependant mentality that thinks the Government is the means to the end?

A private education or even an education via a charter school can offer your child the opportunity not afforded to those that are stuck inside of the current system. Their curriculum is not based off focus groups or Government itself, but rather on its ability to help grow children into person who can think freely for themselves.

Unfortunately via the iron fist of the current system, children are basically forced into these indoctrination centers. The choice is not the parents, but rather the Government. That is the agenda…..your parents didn’t help bring you up into society, we the Government in all our loving ways did…don’t forget that.

Originally posted by archives
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If that was true then how is it that so many young people are coming to sites like this?

Because we HAVE to go to schools.....so that means that even the kids who see through the facade still must attend it......by law......

That does not make ever single student a socialist...It means that those who think for themselves see through it and don't allow something like this to effect them...

The simple minded ones do.......

I live in a conservative area of central Texas that has traditionally been somewhat intolerant of those that are different. An old popular saying used to be the road through the town goes both ways. Meaning more or less that if you don't like being like everyone else, then perhaps you should leave.

Schools use to be the only place where a kid could learn about critical thinking. A place where they could learn to question the status quo and seek the truth about the world.

Sadly, as the people have seen, the Texas school board has been hard at work to destroy any such critical thinking. That kids should learn lists of important conservative figures and ideas. That questioning the world is simply not acceptable.

Originally posted by Kaploink
I live in a conservative area of central Texas that has traditionally been somewhat intolerant of those that are different. An old popular saying used to be the road through the town goes both ways. Meaning more or less that if you don't like being like everyone else, then perhaps you should leave.

Schools use to be the only place where a kid could learn about critical thinking. A place where they could learn to question the status quo and seek the truth about the world.

Sadly, as the people have seen, the Texas school board has been hard at work to destroy any such critical thinking. That kids should learn lists of important conservative figures and ideas. That questioning the world is simply not acceptable.

Thats right...we should only hear about liberal figures and ideals. we should only have one doom and gloom event be taught in school(global warming).

Lets be honest people....there was a study done where it was said 75% of all college professors said they were 'liberals' or belonged to the democrat party.

just like 90% of all journalists said they subscribed to a liberal idealogy or belonged to the democrat party.

You ARE being indoctrinated with leftist ideals.

There was one guy who said(i forgot his name) that america would never outright accept socialism but would accept every tennit of socialism under the guise of liberalism.

There IS a leftist bias in the school system.

There IS a leftist bias in the media.

Give me a break kid...you sound like a rebel. you grew up in a conservative area and hence you subconciously want to 'rebel' against conservative values.


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Originally posted by empireofpain
Lets be honest people....there was a study done where it was said 75% of all college professors said they were 'liberals' or belonged to the democrat party.

College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds

Does that tell me that a majority of liberals are college professors or does that say a majority of conservatives are ignorant and never went to college?

just like 90% of all journalists said they subscribed to a liberal idealogy or belonged to the democrat party.

Does that say liberals are more willing to be outspoken to the point of getting their message across via media or that conservatives are accepting of the idea to 'shut up and color' and not attempt to offer new ideas?

According to Professor Is a Label That Leans to the Left , your political leanings will generally tell you what profession you'll want. "Journalism, art, fashion, social work and therapy are dominated by liberals; while law enforcement, farming, dentistry, medicine and the military attract more conservatives."

You ARE being indoctrinated with leftist ideals.

Apparently, only if you go to college.

There was one guy who said(i forgot his name) that america would never outright accept socialism but would accept every tennit of socialism under the guise of liberalism.

That guy was Norman Thomas, who, according to snopes.com probably never said those exact words and instead said, "The American people will take socialism, but they won't take the label."

That's not a partisan and inflammatory enough quote as the one you offered though.

If you believe that the school system is full of 'left wing extremists' then what do you say to the idea I was a conservative when I graduated high school and a liberal before I entered college?

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I'd like to ask fellow conservative ATSers as to what examples of liberal extremist teachings are there?

reply to post by Y2Zgt

Do you think liberals become teachers in order to spread lies to students?

No I think Liberal minded people are naturally directed to studies and research and end up in teaching posts (most teaching posts at universities are research first, education second) .. I'd also say (from family members who are professors including me own mother) that not ALL professors are hyper progressive, most are neutral, but the hyper progressives are extremely out-spoken. On top of that administrations are more likely to be hyper progressive, and adopt university wide policies that reflect this.

Are colleges breeding students who are learning from extremely biased left winged or are people involved in academia just forming the most logical and positive points of view?

Yes, it is biased leftwing, at least from my own experiences right-leaning professors rarely talk politics, it's sort of taboo .. it just breeds arguments from ignorant students and faculty who try to start a shout-down match. On top of that being young and ignorant (as most college students are) it's very, very easy to be a liberal when you have never fended for your self.. "lived in the world" so to speak, and most importantly.... paid taxes.

I believe the saying is "If your not liberal in your 20's you have no heart, if your not conservative in your 40's you have no brain."

I'd also say media and entertainment, which is excessively left leaning indoctrinates students far better than a professor.

But again we only see liberals on campus more often because they love to shout their heads off about saving the world through their brilliant ideologies.. Personally as a conservative I never, ever engage in political discussion with professors.. I value my grade more than that (and it's a lesson I learned the hard way) .. University is no place for a conservative to speak their mind.

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Well first, what is the general consensus of 'leftest' or 'liberal' ideology? Without such definitions any counter to your question can be deflected without even examining why the person feels they were biased by such ideology.

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Well i found out they where using electronic mind control in school in 1992, in london, so you could say that it may be a leftist school system.

Indoctrinating people into a certain way system as young people, with loads of pupils wanting to be gov spies, or such.

Most American's idea of a left winged extremist school: They teach that Darwin was a real person and that the south lost the civil war lol

What would a conservative school even look like? I assumed there would be no taxes in the school cafeteria and not praying before a test would result in expulsion