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California on 'verge of system failure'

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posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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I agree it's feasible for it to be underhanded in terms of how it's regulated (bills against home growing would probably have some kind of GOP explanation of "protecting american interests and businesses") but I don't think those laws could last. You are presenting a valid point of gov't corruption and big business taking over, but I feel if/when they do write up the legislation, it will do everything to avoid california spending money regulating (short of what the police already do for legally controlled substances) because of how good of a talking point the money already wasted is trying to control it happens to be. I also think it would be impossible to truly go after everyone growing their own, not without violating the constitution. It'd be a pretty clear cut case for the ACLU, imo.

not to mention the US could start exporting to countries where it is decriminalized. That's a whole 'nother potentially helpful can of worms


I understand your initial skepticism of my idea, most people who make these talking points do not take as much care into their wording/are too stoned to be taken seriously


I will probably stop my part of this discussion but it's been an honor going into the issue and again, my apologies for my hostility.


also for the record, I feel this should be a state issue, properly constructed and implemented before even considering becoming a federal law.




posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:06 PM
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I have been in Los Angeles County since 1975 and call it home. It's not a socialist state, liberal, yes. It's the actor we have as govenor - and he's not democrat, he's republican. It's a Los Angeles mayor who thinks moving out the undersirables and building outdoor shopping malls over their homes and calling it urban renewal. Around 2000, a home in a lower middle class neighborhood was going for $150,000 (some states that would equate to $50,000 during the same time period). Then the real estate boom took off, beyond greedy banks, mortgage brokerages, lenders, everything and everyone involved with real estate reared their ugly heads. The $150,000 house at the height of the ugly greed filled boom was going for $500,000. And people are so brainwashed into being consumers, they rushed right in to buy them - thus the subprime loans. Don't forget, the major players were not here in California, but Wall Street. So don't be hard on all us Californians, we are not all the same and suffer because we will not conform.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by piddles

I also think it would be impossible to truly go after everyone growing their own, not without violating the constitution. It'd be a pretty clear cut case for the ACLU, imo.

I will probably stop my part of this discussion but it's been an honor going into the issue and again, my apologies for my hostility.


One easy way to find em is infrared. From what I can tell it is legal in Canada and it wouldn't surprise me if the U.S. were to adopt the same thing. Here is an article from 2004 (yes outdated but still pretty valid in my opinion).

CBC article

Take care, I also enjoyed our discussion. Take care, I am sure we will run into each other again, hopefully on the same side

No hard feelings on my end we both were in the heat of the debate and I understand you have a little more at stake in this topic than I do. Honestly I enjoyed the civil discussion between us and this is the kind of thing ATS used to be full of these, now they are becoming harder and harder to find.

Best of luck



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 11:49 PM
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All this discussion and comments, opinions, and so forth about Cali don't ammount to a hill of beans--even my previous comments. What really matters is the lesson that everyone needs to learn from that state. If you don't own a money printing press like the Feds do, sooner or later, if you spend more than you take in, you're screwed.

California is screwed. They are a shining example of what is to come for the rest of the states that don't control spending. I don't think the fall off the cliff can be stopped in Cali's case. they are a dead man walking. The buzzards are circling, and waiting for the carcass to die. They don't have long to wait. Because of their inability, or refusal to act, Cali is on life support in intensive care, not expected to pull through. The death will bring pain, but the rest of the states better play close attention to what happens, cause their turn is next.



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 03:46 AM
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Something to consider. All this discussion about California is skating over the main issue. They are a smaller version of the entire USA, except they don't have a money printing press. They just spent money like they did. Now, it's past time to pay the piper. California is truly a dead man walking, but they still act like they have a choice in the matter. Those union controlled reps in the state government still don't want to cut funding to any of their pet programs. Time will take care of that decision on it's own. The state reps obviously are living in a world where they believe things are still like they used to be.

It's over for them, and they don't even realize it. In many places throughout the state, lights will go out in state owned buildings, paychecks will bounce, and if you still want to come to work, that's ok, you just won't have a paycheck. And thinking as a state retiree, you'll have that nice pension that you're union negotiated for you to live on for the rest of your life. Think again, those pensions will go the way of Social Security, underfunded, and basically broke. Come on folks, does anyone believe we'll ever get much of any of the social security we've been paying in for all these year??

Remember, California is dead in the water, a near dead flopping beached whale, that everyone is standing around wondering what to do with. It will die a painfull death, just like the rest of the states that have unfunded entitlements. We don't want to be cruel to all those unfortunate illegals who don't have any healthcare, or other free entitlements do we? Yes, it's all sad, and I feel soryy for all the effected families just trying to get by. But reality is a bi__h. And somewhere, at sometime, debts have to be paid, And that time is NOW, as California is finding out. We all better pay attention, because the last time I looked, no state owns a money printing press.



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