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California on 'verge of system failure'

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posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Astrithr
We are still the United States right?

That one line says it all

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:31 PM
This thread is a testament to why this country will die. I have never seen such idiocy in my entire life.

I tried to stop reading, tried not to reply but it is necessary.

Get a clue! Anytime you find yourself spouting crap from the talking heads in the msm be it fox,cnn,msnbc,etc. you have seriously been led astray.

I had no idea that this type of mainstream propaganda machine could even exist on ATS, much less that it was this huge and moronic.

Honestly who gives a whizzing crap if the bankers are socialists or capatilists, conservative or liberals, Democrats or Republicans?

I can tell you one thing, THEY SURE DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet here we are debating unimportant idiosyncrasies while they advance their agenda!

32 states are bankrupt! Were all in the same boat. The domino analogy is quite fitting, if California topples we all go one by one.

Wanna stop these elitist scum quit your corporate slave labor, stop paying tax, buy local and/or grow your food. If its less than two miles walk your lazy butt there, carpool sell your 10 seated gas Guzzling behemoth. Stop watching tv, stop buying mainstream centralized crappy imported junk. That's just a start.

But you slaves enjoy your chains to much. yessm massa may
I have another big Mac? If it takes effort you lazy chumps wont do it.

Then to blame all our problems on moral degredation, what a joke. All the stuff that happens now happened in the 50s it was just undercover. At least now the rapists, abortion, premarital sex is out in the open and can be prosecuted.

If this thread is any indication of the state of our union were doomed.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:33 PM
reply to post by ISHAMAGI

It is indicative and we are doomed. By design, in my opinion. Yes, we let it happen, but they made it happen. And they were more clever.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:38 PM
Yup, here in California the S--- is going to hit the fan VERY soon.

Hell, here in San Jose many of the cops are so corrupt they're now testing to wear cameras on their bodies because we have the highest rate of arrests for resisting arrest.

There's so much spending on parts of the roads that don't need to be fixed then after only a year that part they "fixed" needs fixing again. So the state and local governments call in a heavily unionized company to work long hours on something that shouldn't have been fixed in the first place. Then on the east side of San Jose, you have TONS of illegals congregate and form a lot of gangs, I know this because my step-brothers were part of them for a while and worked with the trafficking with illegals and their drugs from mexico. The tension is growing and many people just are in denial of it happening. Many decide not to prepare for an all out collapse that is inevitable as long as those in Sacramento and the major cities are still in power.

All of this, among other things, will happen because the people in such cities like San Francisco are so blind to their own actions of trusting their elected officials to serve the people and protect their freedoms. I used to live in San Francisco when I went to school there and couldn't stand it at all. I personally can't wait to see San Francisco fall. That place, to me, is the modern day Babylon.

This state has changed so much in the past 10 years. I know some people who work in law enforcement, they're training for civil unrest. Many are buying more guns, not for their jobs but for themselves.

But, who really knows what's going to happen in the future? It could all change for the better, right?

We got the whole Marijuana bill that may help this state. Oh wait, if it becomes legal and then it will be taxed and that will just give those in Sacramento more money to spend on nothing. I know how the Sacramento politics works, someone VERY close to me works in the state government. And I can tell you that he is definitely part of the problem. He's trying to push that damn cap and trade BS here. Anybody who thinks that the Marijuana tax is going to help, it wont. It will, though, have an effect on the crime, so that's a plus.

The funny thing is, this state isn't as "liberal" as many of you may think. It's only in the Clusterf--k cities like SF and LA that are the liberal centers of this state. And enough with this left/right paradigm, it doesn't exist. It's just a marketing tool for the masses.

Having a business in this state just sucks. I'm getting rid of mine soon because the taxes rose again and there's more bureaucratic BS red tape to weed through. So if you want to move to this once golden state to start a business.....don't. It's not worth your time or effort. Unless you like to hire slaves...I mean illeg...I mean undocumented workers.

Even if there were a change in power it most likely wouldn't stop the collapse.

If there is a false flag operation soon like the speculated Operation Blackjack, of which I think would definitely strike LA as one of the cities.

The state would shut down, the banks would close, the federal government would step in to "assess" the situation with martial law for our own safety and everyone would revolt against who they deem is responsible. (insert "enemy" country here) When the banks open back up, the dollar would be so devalued that nobody would be able to afford their bills and then the IMF would step in to offer us the global currency to "save" the United States so we could help in the efforts of World War 3.

Wishing for the collapse of this state of California is not in the best interest of the country because what will inevitably happen here will most likely spread all across this country. Prepare yourselves.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:41 PM
I wonder if this is why CA is being drained of cash:

Bilderberg See People With Income As "A Threat" To Their Agenda

They are afraid that people with an income have the 'leisure' to expose them and foil their plans. It seems they are very afraid of what they are up to being exposed on a wide scale.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:43 PM
reply to post by wcitizen

Haha...I'd say unemployed people have way more time on their hands.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:43 PM
Not all of us Californians are "socialists" or "hippies" or love policies of welfare and spending.

Al lot of posters that don't live here have NO clue what they're speaking of.

Many of our cities are overrun with handouts, welfare, public programs, debt all over. Los Angeles for instance is almost HALF an underground "off the books" economy in itself. We are run in part by slave Illegal Immigrant economy, drug economy, gambling, people that don't show receipts for business or pay taxes, 'entertainment'....we're doomed just by that.

We have state legislatures that give everything away to Corporations on the high end, and to people that abuse the system on the low end. Nobody in the middle can compete anymore. We don't make anything. We are called 'the 7th or 8th largest economy in the world"...but if you take the debt we are in, what does it matter?

Our votes here don't matter because we have so many stupid voters that vote people in on STUPID platforms, no sensible voter can compete. You can't beat STUPID if STUPID is the majority.

Hell, maybe California does deserve to crash and burn. I've grown tired of seeing this once great state go into the toilet...maybe we should just get it over with.

Do you realize how many broke, poor, struggling people there are here? I could do a documentary on how bad we've fallen just in the last 4 years...and we weren't even doing well at that time.

Our policies and 'stewards' of our money have failed.

Our business laws and environment is CRAP. California is considered one of the worst, if not THE worst state to own a business in. We have ALL bureaucracy and NO progression.

I've come to the realization that the situation is hopeless. That STUPID people run things, STUPID people vote for them, and logical, sensible, intelligent people, get caught in the crossfire.

I can't even think about it anymore because it's too depressing.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:45 PM

Originally posted by empireofpain

Originally posted by draevin
reply to post by SevenThunders


Hippies destroyed the country?

What country are you talking about?

Because all the countries being systematically destroyed right now, are being done so by greedy banker types and giant corporations.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked hippies don't support that kind of thing.

They destroyed this country in the 60s dude. With that 'sexual revolution' that introduced casual sex to the masses which in turn decreased the importance of love with sex. which in turn decreased the importance of the family.

You then had that abomination of a feminist movement crop up where every girl is expected to act like a slut to 'empower' her.

You then had violence and sex on TV and movies drastically increase.


when did the country start going down hill? the freakin 60s.

You and the freakin counterculture crap have set the path for destruction.

[edit on 19-6-2010 by empireofpain]

Pardon me, Sir, but I disagree. What you are speaking of is the result of an action taken many years ago in Dallas on a sunny afternoon in November. It ain't got nothing to do with Hippies and Feminist.

Everything you speak of came after the fact. What we a witnessing now, is the other shoe falling.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:51 PM
reply to post by ~Lucidity

Lol! Yes - but not if your money has been seized by the banks, and you have to spend every hour finding food to feed yourself and your family, and just trying to survive....which is part of their plan.

All this sounds totally absurd, I know - and that is what TPTB are counting on, because if the world really wakes up to what they are really up to, things will go totally pear-shaped.

If the world doesn't wake up to what they are really up to, we are in for hell on earth.

I can only urge everyone to spend some time reading up on these things to get informed BEFORE they close the internet to stop the exchange of information .... which is also part of their plan.

BTW Bill Gates is also part of the Bilderberg clan, so don't think it can;t happen.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:57 PM

Originally posted by brainwrek
Damn glad to see those socialistic scumbags in CA are about to reap what they sow.

They deserve each and every ounce of pain they are about to experience.

First I am a member of neither party, they are both broken.

Second I think you might want to consider the snowball that rolls
down the mountain that becomes the avalanche.

California is the largest economy in the US and when it goes
their will be a reverse grapes of wrath.

Ppl will flee the sinking ship and sudden and massive burdens
will be placed on other states as refugees show up elsewhere.

While I do not agree with their insane fiscal and economic policies
I do not wish collapse on them, because the tidal wave of humanity
leaving that state may end up in my city.

Lets hope California and the other dozen states near collapse
do not do so as the other states struggling to stay afloat could
be pulled down by their drowning neighbors in a panic all to
familiar to rescue swimmers.

We will not be able to save them, and they are not real keen on listening
so we have to hope they can figure it out for themselves but
prepare for the worst which is likely at this point.

When it all starts to fall apart the cities will not be safe.

Good Luck to you all !

[edit on 19-6-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:05 PM
reply to post by ISHAMAGI

The reality of the situation is so FAR OUT that it is incredibly hard to take in or believe - it's so shocking the mind recoils from it.... I've spent the past week reading information and following leads on all this and I have been in total shock.

BUT .... unless everyone has enough courage to do their research and face the facts, these evil criminals will complete their plan and we will be truly STUFFED.

They are very, very clever, and have presented as fiction, in films, etc, many of the things they are actually, really doing - so that our minds have been prepped to have real trouble believing it is other than a fictitious 'conspiracy theory' and not the terrifying and real life situation it is.

Collectively we need to make a huge paradigm shift


posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:06 PM
Looks like the 60's are back I am moving to San Francisco to rebel against the throw away Era civility and bury my common scene in one of those zest pools.
Join a philosophical group who philosophizes on how we once had money.

Pass your god and your drugs our shadow government is coming to town.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:07 PM
I can't believe the amount of you guys still whinging and moaning, bitching and complaining even laughing at California for the mess its in.

The mess California is in could be applied to a lot of states in the U.S. It can also be applied to most countries in Europe.

Most of the planet needs a bailout. This will invovle backing thousands of truckloads of money up to the holes the debt has created. Emptying the money into the holes and watching it dissapear. Instantly. Real goddam magic right infrot of your eyes. The government in my country (Ireland) is currently doing this. It then tells the public its gonna cut and tax the living fcuk out of ya all.

This is happening across the planet. Governments are changing. It shuts the public up for a while. Blame the bunch of tossers being kicked out of office for causing all the problems and cheer in the new bunch to save us all. Then when the new bunch get in, break the bad news that we all gotta tough it out and take some austerity measures. Suck it up guys.

Then we have people calling for riots. Take to the streets. I ain't gonna let the goverment do this to me. Riots aint gonna fix anything folks. A lotta people will die. Thats all. Die for nothing. Look at all the history we were taught. About all the wonderful men and women whole layed down their lives for our freedom. 'Our Freedom' . Look around you. Its the biggest con ever. The whole thing is fake.

Some people recently were concerned about a couple of apes in a zoo. The apes were getting bored and frustrated. A suggestion was made that they should be given a 50inch televison and the internet. How big is your cage? Freedom . Don't make me laugh.

I am outta work here because there is nothing made here anymore. Everything seems to be 'made in china'. The poor basterds over there are been thrown scraps to work all year round in factories. They have to live on the premisies in some cases. Many only get home a couple of weeks in the year. Suicide is rampant. It seems acceptable now if you want to own an IPAD as well as labour and materials , suicide is part of the costs too.

We (by which i mean the human race) need to come up with a solution pronto. I spend a lot of time trying to see how we are gonna get out of this mess but I really can't see how. We are in big trouble. All the crap and moaning people are coming out with on threads like this aren't gonna fix anything. I'll be honest , I don't know how to fix it. I do know we need to come together as a race and help each other out of this.

Everybody on this planet wants the same thing. Everybody wants everybody to be happy. Why do we keep getting it wrong? It seems so basic so simple but we can't get it right.

I heard someone recently make a comment that nobody really grows up. I think it is one of the truest comments I ever heard. The whole lot of us are just a bunch of bloody immature kids. Half of us have balls'd up and the other half is shouting and screaming at us saying 'serves you right' and 'told you so' . Its just like being back in the schoolyard.


posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:09 PM

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

The economic situation and job scene has not been doing any upswings, despite the gov pie-charts and numbers manipulators rose-colored glasses reports.

Actually, jobs here are on an upswing. I can think of several companies that recently opened up their hiring freezes in the last few months, the place where I work included. Last year they wanted to drop their head count and did so by a sizable number, this year they are looking to increase that head count as business has picked up.

In addition, I would like to add that though I was against the bailouts I have seen state jobs increase as well. Instead of the crap patches, they have been doing for the past 10+ years on the roads around here that only last a month or two at best they have started to completely repave entire roads that were in desperate need of help. That alone has if not kept jobs added a few as they were looking for help in the local paper.

Not to burst any bubbles but there are plenty of jobs to be had if people are really looking hard enough. I see plenty of opportunity for those with the right training or the drive to get the training.

As for CA, well they got themselves into quite a pickle. I never wish to see bad happen to those who are undeserving, but until they learn to stop embracing, the powerful money masters, and the illegal aliens CA will never gain any ground.


posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:13 PM
Hippies did not destroy the country the original movement was rather good for the people. The substance abuse is the predominate view of the movement.

It was more progressive than any christian group of its time. Even the government feared its original intent.

Productive lives jobs for everyone. You know how our government loves productivity!

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:37 PM
I keep hearing that as a country that we are in debt, which is true. However we as a tax paying people are not. Think about it. P.S. Im new here and this is my first post however I have been reading post here for quite sometime.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:42 PM
reply to post by odd1out

Wow, lve been sitting here thinking the same thing, you put it better than l could. Well done. Bet the people that caused all this, (bankers) are laughing their heads off. DIVIDE AND RULE. works everytime.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:58 PM
reply to post by Capt.Spaulding

Thank you Cap'n. We are one of those Good American Families barely scraping by and so are our small business owner neighbors because the property values are so out of whack. No one can get ahead here unless they get free Gov money or are corrupt. The land here has always been the Gold in California.
Now that values have gone down, have rents on retail space or housing gone down? Perhaps a Grand Total of 10%. And we all know a 10 percent discount is just an advertising ploy, useless.
My pal from online and I are most likely going to Oklahoma next year with our money, skills, and degrees!
Adios !

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:59 PM
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

When you reward irresponsibility with a check and free food, then punish responsible behavior with taxes, just what the hell are you trying to accomplish? Wreck a once great state? Wreck a once great nation? Or is what were seeing unfold merely the inintended consecuences of our leaders attempts to aquire power?

American politicians will always cater to the welfare as a way of life trash people because they know that their vote is going to be cast for whomever promises the biggest raise. And they could care less whether they govern over a # pile or a shining city on a hill, just as long as they are in charge.

California: Welfare Capital of the U.S. (2008)

More evidence of California's continuing downhill slide can be found in the state's pathetic welfare statistics:

1. The percentage of residents on welfare in the Golden State is now more than triple that of the rest of the U.S. If it reflected the rest of the country, California would have 800,000 fewer people receiving welfare.
2. While caseloads in the rest of the U.S. have dropped over 30% in the past five years, California’s has gone up about 6%.
3. As a result, though it has only about 12% of the total U.S. population, California’s share of the welfare caseload has risen from 22% in 2002 to over 30%.
4. There are more welfare recipients per family in California, and that number has crept upward in the past couple of years, perhaps indicating that California welfare mothers are bearing more children that those in the rest of the U.S.

California happens to be lazy and...

According to 2008 American Community Survey estimates,[6] California's population is:

42.3% White (not including White Hispanic)
36.6% are Hispanic or Latino (of any race)
12.5% Asian
6.7% Black or African American
2.6% Multiracial
1.2% American Indian

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 06:00 PM
HEY WAIT A MINUTE. I will not be able to afford that second mansion in beverly hills unless i get the bailout. Come on here, I need that money, i really do need that money. YOU SMALL PEOPLE, don't understand. California needs another stadium that i can build. HEY, and don't moch our fine upstanding citizens, They not small peoples like some other states. Hey, if i need to spend more money to get the job done, i will. The upstanding people here need that money, to get jobs done around here. We have loans too, we upstanding citizens have to pay off OUR MANSIONS, and keep up with the donations to the golf coarse. WE HAVE BILLS TOO, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, the 12 cars i have take gas and insurance. YOU KNOW, all this has to get paid some how. I am an upstanding citizen, can you say that?

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