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Originally posted by Eliad
reply to post by LittleSecret
You're talking about events that had happened 10 years ago. Much has changed.
Fatah stopped resisting because Arafat, its militant leader, died.
Because it stopped resisting Israel has pulled out most of the checkpoints, it gives the fatah tens of millions of dollars each month to rebuild, it has a police force of its own, a government, and the only thing stopping it from reaching its full potential are those damn settlements which will be removed soon hopefully.
The west bank is flourishing, it has night clubs and restaurants.
It's not prefect, but it's headed in the right direction.
This tension that you speak of started when hamas started shooting fatah activists in the street.
This made all of fatah leave the Gaza strip..
I'm pretty sure they're pissed off as it is.
And wasn't the building in the settlements frozen?
Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by LittleSecret
You think my comments applied only to the Palestinians?
“If the U.S. doesn’t have a close relationship with Israel, it will be harder, not easier, to get it to withdraw from certain territories in the West Bank because an Israel that is not secure will not take risks for peace,”
When Yasser Arafat and Yitzak Rabin shook hands on the White House lawn in September 1993 there were about 115,000 Jewish settlers in West Bank and Gaza. By the time of the second intifada seven years later there were more than 200,000 of them. Reports suggest another 1,500 families (17,000 people) have been added to this total during 2001, more than the 400 settler families that have moved back to Israel under the impact of the intifada.
Palestinian American attorney Gregory Khalil said “Israel still controls every person, every good, literally every drop of water to enter or leave the Gaza Strip. Its troops may not be there... but it still restricts the ability for the Palestinian authority to exercise control.” Human Rights Watch also contested that this ended the occupation
Hamas won a plurality of 42.9% of the total vote and 74 out of 132 total seats (56%). When Hamas assumed power the next month, the Israeli government and the key players of the international community, the United States and the EU refused to recognize its right to govern the Palestinian Authority. Direct aid to the Palestinian government there was cut off, although some of that money was redirected to humanitarian organizations not affiliated with the government. The resulting political disorder and economic stagnation led to many Palestinians emigrating from the Gaza Strip.
In January 2007, fighting erupted between Hamas and Fatah.
At least 11 people have been injured by Israeli air strikes targeting Gaza's airport, Palestinian officials say.
The Israeli military confirmed the missile strikes near Rafah, in southern Gaza, which it said targeted militants.
I 2009 348 people were killed in car accidents.
Israel is not occupying Gaza, and therefor they should not have been shooting at us or at least should have given us a chance to pull out of the west bank instead of trying to murder our civilians.
In his statement on the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict Richard Falk, United Nations Special Rapporteur on "the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories" wrote that international humanitarian law applied to Israel "in regard to the obligations of an Occupying Power and in the requirements of the laws of war."
Palestinian American attorney Gregory Khalil said “Israel still controls every person, every good, literally every drop of water to enter or leave the Gaza Strip. Its troops may not be there... but it still restricts the ability for the Palestinian authority to exercise control.
Speaking of Zionist hopes- Israel evicted people from there homes so that Gaza would be settlement free, we hoped this would bring peace. In reality they just used this to launch rockets further. That's hope for ya.
After the Hamas takeover Israel announced it would allow only basic humanitarian supplies into the Strip. Israel closed off all remaining access to Gaza. The blockade allowed Israel to control the flow of goods going into Gaza, including power and water.
Between 2005 and 2007, Palestinian groups in Gaza fired about 2,700 locally-made Qassam rockets into Israel, killing four Israeli civilians and injuring 75 others. During the same period, Israel fired more than 14,600 155mm artillery shells into the Gaza Strip, killing 59 Palestinians and injuring 270.
Uhhh... There was no blockade in 2005 after we left..
After the Hamas takeover Israel announced it would allow only basic humanitarian supplies into the Strip. Israel closed off all remaining access to Gaza. The blockade allowed Israel to control the flow of goods going into Gaza, including power and water. Israel halted all exports
Israel never targeted civilians. In fact it warned them to get out of combat zones in Gaza.
What resources are you talking about?
The Palestinians used to blow up and massacre people in our streets.. Is that not a threat?
They were charged for war crimes too, BTW.
There. Untwisted for you.
Palestinians, protesting Israel's settlement policy, clashed with Israeli troops near the West Bank city of Nablus. A 16-year-old Palestinian was killed in the violence.
Again I ask the question, What does President Obama have to gain politically by the continuing hostilities between Israeli's and Palestinians?........the answer, NOT A DAMED THING!
The US Secretary of State has slammed the findings of a United Nations report on Israel's war crimes against people of Gaza.
Addressing the annual meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), Clinton condemned the Goldstone report, calling it "deeply flawed."
The United States has "repeatedly voted against the deeply flawed Goldstone Report," Clinton boasted.
Bill Clinton attempted to free a convicted Israeli spy in a US prison but was rebuffed by American judicial and military officials. At the end of his term, he also issued an 'executive pardon' for another convicted criminal with dual US and Israeli citizenship who was a major contributor to the Tel Aviv regime.
Originally posted by Axial Leader
How come every time I meet a Palestinian or an Israeli here in the USA they appear to be remarkably civil, friendly, intelligent, polite? I have met many people from that region, from both sides, and also from Syria and Lebanon.
All of these people strike me as a very attractive and philosophical bunch of people who are quite compassionate and tolerant. It is actually a very distinguishing feature of both the Palestinians and Israelis I have met.
Do you think it is because they are on their "best behavior" while visiting here?
Maybe the pressure associated with living in that region is so intense and horrible that, when they escape to America for a visit or a vacation, it is a total pleasure for them, which brightens their whole demeanor?
Or maybe, when they come to the USA for a while, they get a sense of perspective on how pointless the Palestinian and Israeli conflict actually is, and they experience some sort of revelation?
Or maybe, only the more intelligent, serene, and affluent get the opportunity to travel here?
Or is there something weird about that region of our planet, which drives people who actually live there slightly insane?
Or is it something else?
I don't know the answer. That is why I am asking.