TAX, TAX and even MORE TAX... 200% tax increase - Canada

Well, we thought we had it better then US... sadly we are ALL in for the same kind of crap. Canada has been promoting (heavily during Olympics) about how efficient they are about saving money and spending money properly and how Canada is doing just great even though the world economy is collapsing... www.actionplan.gc.ca...

Yet we all wonder how is the possible... we make the same amount of income (almost no increased in the last decades), yet our living expenses has gone through the roof... 1+1=3??. I don't understand how we're doing ANY better... so you start noticing how they're getting more money... TAXES.. and MORE TAXES... hidden taxes such as inflation are fairly standard around the world, yet we see our needed things such as flour... bread.. typical green food.. go up, which is NEEDED to survive, on top of that they start screwing us even more... I like to point out few things that have been added to our daily TAX in Canada...

HST

hst.blog.gov.bc.ca...

The Liberal Government in British Columbia is going to implement a new tax beginning on July 1 2010. H.S.T. stands for Harmonized Sales Tax, and is the combination of Provincial Sales Tax (P.S.T) of 7%, and Government Sales Tax (G.S.T.) of 5%, into one new tax, H.S.T. of 12%. The HST disproportionately impacts lower income earners because far more of their limited income will be spent paying the now extra 7% tax than higher income earners. How will this affect the average British Columbian?

I can't begin to tell you how HST has absolutely NO benefit to average Joe despise their claim... basically they're now officially getting rid of middle class.. you either Super wealthy or you're poor (%95 of our country will fall into this category, if not already)

HST hurts poor people

For all this talk about the harmonized sales tax and rebates payments, no one seems to be bringing up that this is a one-time payout.

Most people in Ottawa make abundant money and they probably don't care if they get a HST rebate. But, for low-income parents like myself, those GST refund cheques that came out four times during the year were something, that while not relied upon, were helpful to say the least.

Now, the HST will be taking more of my income during the year, After these three HST rebate payments, I won't be getting a cent back anymore.

www.ottawacitizen.com...

HST: Why do the Feds want it so bad?
communities.canada.com...

The HST will benefit big corporations and no, the savings will not be passed to the consumer. campbell was asked about food prices shooting up, he said it was because the price of gasoline costing more. However, the cost of gasoline went down, the food prices went up even more, that is what we can expect when the HST comes into effect.

HST decision bad for buyers and builders
www.thestar.com...

HST bad news for restaurants, consumers
www.crfa.ca...

Why Campbell's HST Is Bad for the Planet
www.bcsea.org...

TransLink new TAX

.. and now, to why I started this thread.. I work downtown so I have to use parking spot, the price for a parking space around here range from $70-$300 a MONTH... just for a freaking spot to park your car, I pay about $75 a month... I just got a bill for $95 ?! So I call Impark which is managing this PRIVATE buildings parking spots, and they say this is due to additional tax by TransLink, and even THEY are fighting this... so as of next month, which will include both imposed taxes.. i'll be paying $102 a month, even though the actual service fee is still $75/m...

www2.impark.com...

Prior to January 1, 2010, the total tax payable on parking was 12%. After July 1, taxes payable on parking will have increased to 35.52%

Explains more ...
www2.impark.com...

The new HST legislation comes into effect on all transactions on July 1, 2010, with HST at 12% replacing the GST and Provincial Sales Tax. This does not have any impact on the Parking Sales Tax at 21% that was introduced in January, and Impark is still required to collect this tax on all parking sales. The new HST is payable on both the parking transaction value, and the Parking Sales Tax. The result is a total combined tax on parking of 35.52%.

some hope I guess...

Vancouver Group Fights TransLink Tax Hikes

communities.canada.com...

This is just outrageous... I now have to pay %35 TAXES on my parking spot... my job is not paying for this I AM... and so I have to fork out MORE money ... so our Canadian government can spend MILLIONS advertising HOW they're saving US money... ?!!?! Am I just going crazy here... or the world is just FUDGED UP... more and more...

Let me get this straight.. I pay around %45 taxes (max.) meaning, about half of my paycheck I never get to see.. (Keep in mind the entire purpose of paying taxes is that so it covers.. so called inflation, ROAD maintenance, schools, and social services.. etc), and now on top of this I pay about $70 a month for healthcare (mandatory), I barely get sick... so I NEVER get to use this... teacher get paid S&#*... so they're always on strike, they're shutting down public schools as they get more expensive.. I pay S$@# load for gas (almost double what you pay in USA), just to get to work.. pay arm and a leg to buy average food (to save money, instead of eating out) and rents has doubled... so I buy a house so I can at least invest in it.. a decent house in a decent location is around $800K, that's if you're lucky.. then on top of that the interest rate is going up... 1/4 of a percent is about $100 more a month on mortgage.

I'm MAD AS HELL... this is a joke, I can get by... but how can majority of people get by, that got kids, family and work the average job... ?!?! they can't, so they have to depend on social services, so we get taxed more.. they become dependable on government.. and government gets bigger.. and more power over people!

Sorry about the rant... but I just can't believe I now have to pay $40 a month just for taxes to be able to use a PRIVATE parking space so I can go to work... 40-60 hours a week... so that I can pay them half of my earning and not get a dime back, meanwhile EVERYTHING is doubling and tripling up in prices... and even WORK is getting hard to find! I know in world event this is a small problem.. but I just want to show how these bastards all work together to screw US the PEOPLE, so that the few on top can profit from us... we are slaves... simple as that!

Someone other then me and you have to pay for all this crap... I never volunteered for all this! I had NO CHOICE... the system has made me into a modern slave.


I also like to mention "HARPER NEW BILDERBERG BOY"... has something to do with all these new taxes imposed on us as of last few years...

www.americanfreepress.net...
www.cbc.ca...

We're being taxed to death out here!

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There is a few things in there that are wrong. The HST is a provincial thing, not federal, take it up with your MLA. The tax on your parking spot is municipal, not federal, take up with your city council. I would also like to see stats that say that the average wage has not increased, ESPECIALLY in the education sector. If it is anything like Alberta they get raises every year, and get the summer off.

ETA:
If all else fails...move. No one is holding you hostage where you are.

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DUDE... why are you attacking me... because I don't believe I have to pay so much taxes??! If you like it so much, cover my taxes for me!

Be it provincial or federal... SOMEONE has to pay these taxes...

[FYI] I did take it up with the city hall and signed a few petition and made a few phone calls... so far ... as expected... nothing has changed! So doing the NEXT BEST THING... informing ATS and getting attention that this needs!

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They tried this in NS back in the 90's. They called it the Blended Sales Tax. (BST) Quite apt.

I think there are benefits to those that are cognizant of what is taxable. The Gov. is going to make a #load off of those that don't. Use the HST right and I can actually see benefits here.

reply to post by intrepid


What have we learned so far... Governments do NOT have the best interest for us the people... So "IF" they used it right I'm sure it's great, but so would have been socialism and communism, both have great "idea" but in reality people suffer...

btw, thanks for the info, did not know about the Blended Sales Tax. Overall you support this then?

reply to post by freighttrain


He's right though, HST isn't federal, it's provincial.

It'll probably lose the next election for the liberals anyway so it could very well be temporary. Even the conservatives helped to pass it, I guess we should have voted NDP, they're leading the fight against HST. Well, I voted for the NDP for what it's worth! Next time we'll get em.

reply to post by ZombieOctopus


Ya I was almost voted for NDP... but then the Green Party offered me something a little too special to pass on, even though I knew they don't get majority of the vote, I didn't care for strategic voting... so Green was my way.. they did get more votes then last election, that was nice to know!

Also, I understand this is Provincial but I'm afraid we're just the experimental phase, and this will get passed nation wide after seeing our reaction...

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Your analogy is quite apropos. Excessive taxation is a self perpetuating system that destroys the middle class. This isn't just a Canadian thing its common here too.

My suggestion ride a bike.

I live by the rule: The more they take the less I spend. If
everyone would get on board with that the system would crash.

I "think" I know why the middle class gets taxed the most.

The middle class is the core of consumption. If you compare the middle class to the upper or lower class as a whole, the middle class consumes more of everything. Maybe not a dollar to dollar basis, but on item to item.

By increasing taxes to the middle class, the government is trying to reduce the amount of consumption of the middle class. For if it gets to over hand or under hand, bad results might happen.

The upper class can afford the luxury items, but by no means need them to survive. Figuring someone rich has done something to help society as a whole, they get the benefit of living in a financially stress free life.

Then we have welfare to prevent the lower class from rioting.

So if they are making it so you consume LESS, obviously the economy is producing less per person??

Just some thoughts. Or maybe the government is out to kill us all.

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


well I don't think they can kill us all... simply because without us they're NOTHING... so they need "some" of us... kind of leaning towards the "population reduction" plan... or get us so dependent on them, that we'll do whatever they want, simply to survive. This is the NWO agenda... sadly it's in the making now!

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Well for me its that simple: i live a simple life.But you can cheat to them if you're bold enough.
After all dont they make laws to forbid us to do what they do; they cheat ,they are being dishonest ,they waste our money big time.

They cant tax the rich coz they arent enough of them so they tax the midlle-class...cé ca qui est ca !

Frankly, I think the HST will be here for a long time. If you think about it, it makes much sense for us to pay a bit more taxes now. We shouldn't let our deficit spiral out of control.

We will have more money in the future to spend on our infrastructure and provide stable jobs for the communities. Canada's plan is to attract more immigrant workers. This will provide a bigger economy to help pay for the dinosaur retiree's.

I don't want to hand my kids a country that is in debt to a bunch of bankers. I am actually glad we have all these regulations.

Originally posted by SSimon
Well for me its that simple: i live a simple life.But you can cheat to them if you're bold enough.

Most of these types of taxes (here in the USA and in Canada) are now being applied at point of sale. Makes it virtually impossible to "cheat" them. If it was a tax bill sent by the government to the taxpayer, then sure... take a crap, use the tax bill printout in the closing paperwork task, and flush it down the commode. Sad that the government knew that would happen and made it a point of service charge, isn't it?

It sounds to me that this is just like the ongoing situation in the US, and undoubtedly world wide, in an effort to eradicate the middle class, leaving nothing more than the rich and the poor. Everyone will fall into one of the two categories and the lines will be drawn in the sand.

Also, thinking about something you said is actually something of a self fullfilling agenda. Taxation leads to government dependency, which leads to more taxation which increases government dependency, which....on going loop...until the national government has about 98% of the populace dependent on them and of course "they" make up the 2% in charge. The few have dominated the many.

I saw a movie once where this was demonstrated. A dictator was explaining how he keeps peace in his area. He took a chicken, set it down on his desk, then place a string over the chickens neck that had sandbags on either side. It weighted the chickens head down and the chicken could not move. The moral as explained was something akin to peace attained when the burden of oppression was so great that none could stand any longer.

(sorry, if a little off topic, but relevant I think)

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With the POS taxing the govt. actually is creating more of an underground economy. I don't buy things that way but it surely happens.

The population density in downtown Vancouver has become insane over the last 20 years with all the residential highrises that have gone in ... parking increases are just a fact of life with that.

Personally, I don't mind the new tax. But I'm not much of a consumer - I rarely buy crap I don't need.

I was behind Harper until he announced the Olympic bid - that's where he lost me - he should have started building offshore windfarms instead. Then we'd be making money instead of having spent a truckload of it for no return.

reply to post by Rook1545


the "just move" B.S. line, again.
does anyone still know what "home" means?

reply to post by Equinox99

Frankly, I think the HST will be here for a long time. If you think about it, it makes much sense for us to pay a bit more taxes now. We shouldn't let our deficit spiral out of control.

BS.

IN Canada they increased taxes during the last massive boom to make up for the demand in infrastructure, low vacancies, vehicles, morgage rates... ect. Now they increase the cost of living again due to economic troubles... I'm not that stupid. They make an excuse to take more of our spending power away. Soon enough I'll be living out in the wilderness like Davy Crockett at this rate.

I haven't encountered such high costs for parking, but then again I don't live in a huge city in Canada.

I'm actually quite happy with our tax system for the benefits we receive compared to other countries.

It's not perfect, but it's what we have. Canadians need to start VOTING if they want crap to be fixed.

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower


We got no on e to vote in. If you run you got my vote!

disfigured:

Bud Canada is better off than many other countries are. Some places may be hit but our job market is still pretty good.

And yes our taxes did increase because of economic troubles but we will be better off than a lot of countries in the future. Universal Health-Care ain't going to pay for itself, especially with those old dragons retiring.

The best chance we got is to either increase the taxes or turn some hospitals into private rather than public funded. This will offer much better service and it will clear some of those emergency rooms.