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posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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The real reason all of you hate the rich and not want them to have money is ENVY.

You ENVY them and there wealth. Dont lie and just freakin admit it.

The op if given a chance would become a millionaire and would say "screw everyone else" because its just the damn truth. just as anyone who was sane and human would.

and dont try to deny it.

its like that test with the two monkeys. one was given a grape and the other was given raisin or prune.

The one getting the raisin and prune started noticing the other monkey getting a grape....and went crazy with envy. from then on the monkey refused the raisins and only wanted the grape.

ITS JUST PURE ENVY YOU IDIOTS! thats why you hate the rich who you think dont 'deserve' there wealth.

Give me a break...your nothing but jealous little CHILDREN!(not to anyone particular but all those that hate the rich in general)




posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by LazyGuy
Flag & Star although I've only read the intro and first commentary.

Your views seem very similar to mine so far. I've got a saying that's slightly exaggerated but says what I want it too. What could ANYONE do to earn $40,000,000,000 / year? It just doesn't make sense that any one person could produce work that would be valued at such an enormous sum.


So you think it is impossible to reorganize resources in a way that creates a value of 40 Billion Dollars? Open your eyes. It happens every day. That's how the economy grows. We didn't have less natural resources hundred years ago than we have today. But we ALL were way poorer nonetheless. Although most people worked a 10 to 14 hour workday.

Stop thinking in terms of handicraft or industry labor. They don't fit here. A decent systems analytic can create immense value with one single pencil line.


Originally posted by LazyGuyAnd what do they spend it on? Diamond encrusted cell phones?
Yea, that's worth the money.


Only vulgar parvenus like pop stars and drug dealers come to idiotic ideas like buying diamond encrusted cell phones. It has no style at all. It makes some neighbours jealous in the ghetto or the suburbs, but that's all about it.

Serious people don't spend it on such crap. They buy assets and use them. That's how they made their wealth in the beginning.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by empireofpain
The real reason all of you hate the rich and not want them to have money is ENVY.

You ENVY them and there wealth. Dont lie and just freakin admit it.

The op if given a chance would become a millionaire and would say "screw everyone else" because its just the damn truth. just as anyone who was sane and human would.

and dont try to deny it.

its like that test with the two monkeys. one was given a grape and the other was given raisin or prune.

The one getting the raisin and prune started noticing the other monkey getting a grape....and went crazy with envy. from then on the monkey refused the raisins and only wanted the grape.

ITS JUST PURE ENVY YOU IDIOTS! thats why you hate the rich who you think dont 'deserve' there wealth.

Give me a break...your nothing but jealous little CHILDREN!(not to anyone particular but all those that hate the rich in general)


Oh yeah? Tell that to the starving millions all over the world, tell that to the majority of humanity who lives in relative poverty. Tell that even to those in the first world who have to work sh*t jobs for most of their lives to fill the pockets of the rich.

This isn't about one person being jealous of another, this is about the world as a whole and the gross inequities of the haves and the have-nots, and if you can't see such an obvious/simple big picture as that, then the only child here is you.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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This is true of many rich people. You cannot say this of all rich people, especially those who were merely born into money.

Do you know any trust fund brats? I have known a few. They are really good at drinking, using drugs, and playing tennis. I would never hire one.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by empireofpain
The real reason all of you hate the rich and not want them to have money is ENVY.

You ENVY them and there wealth. Dont lie and just freakin admit it.

The op if given a chance would become a millionaire and would say "screw everyone else" because its just the damn truth. just as anyone who was sane and human would.

and dont try to deny it.

its like that test with the two monkeys. one was given a grape and the other was given raisin or prune.

The one getting the raisin and prune started noticing the other monkey getting a grape....and went crazy with envy. from then on the monkey refused the raisins and only wanted the grape.

ITS JUST PURE ENVY YOU IDIOTS! thats why you hate the rich who you think dont 'deserve' there wealth.

Give me a break...your nothing but jealous little CHILDREN!(not to anyone particular but all those that hate the rich in general)


Oh yeah? Tell that to the starving millions all over the world, tell that to the majority of humanity who lives in relative poverty. Tell that even to those in the first world who have to work sh*t jobs for most of their lives to fill the pockets of the rich.

This isn't about one person being jealous of another, this is about the world as a whole and the gross inequities of the haves and the have-nots, and if you can't see such an obvious/simple big picture as that, then the only child here is you.


Its still envy no matter what reason you have it dee dee dee.

You can blame it on all those things you mentioned. Try to take the moral highground all you want.

The truth is that your just a little jealous/envious CHILD. You can wrap your envy and jealousy inside good intentions and wonderful rainbows but your STILL JUST ENVIOUS.

its not your fault though.its pretty much written into us though as we ae pretty much monkeys( i know we are great apes but whatever!)

Just keep living in your illusion. keep Thinking you hate the rich for moral reasons or what ever makes you think you are right.

Dont deny it because you know its true(of course you will deny it though....still gotta have that moral highground).

No matter what cause or justification you wrap it in...ITS STILL JUST ENVY AND JEALOUSY!

Also by reading your responses im guessing your a socialist and in favor of wealth redistribution.

Im also guessing you favor some form of thievery...oh wait if your already a socialist you favor that


[edit on 18-6-2010 by empireofpain]



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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I say no!

Not because they don't work hard for it.

The fact is... It is all a matter of perspective.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic4life
I say no.
Wealth is a cancer that deprives resources from circulating.
In this time of extreme poverty for many of the worlds people, there is Eleven Trillion, yes 11 trillion deposited in tax free banks.
The wealthy are wealthy because they are psychotic about possessing money.
They need to be relieved of their burden.
And a cap should be put on personal wealth to ensure maximum circulation of the currency stock.
The world needs to recognize an obsession when it has one.


Ever heard of a little thing called freedom?

Evidently not.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 06:42 AM
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And your defense of 5% of the population holding 95% of the wealth is?
Freedom to be corrupt and to deny others.
Do you think this imbalance of monetary resource is sustainable?



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 07:26 AM
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a wealthy man owns 200 apartment units in a city. he wants to charge $200 more than those who would be renting those apartments would be able to pay for them at the wages they earn. so, does he go and begin paying the employees he hired to help run this little rental business more money so they can afford the extra $200? does he encourage his friends who are also businessmen and women to do the same so that their employees can have the available resources to not only rent those apartments but also by their own goods and services? na......there's an easier way!! and one much more profitable......

they can con the government into pitching in and well, the employees have their apartments, and goods and services....they have their customer base....and well....the shortcoming will be collectively shared by the not so poor, not so rich.....taxpayer!!

only the not so poor, not so rich taxpayer is really hitting the point of being tapped out....so, well.....time for the ones who profited the most from the scheme to start pitching in more than they've been taking out, through the subsidizing their payroll )the welfare programs), tax credits, state, local, as well as federal incentive programs, overpaid gov't contracts, business loans, ect. ect. ect....


depending on what view you wish to take, well, how the "rich" has amassed their weatlh might be a little on the shady side.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 07:36 AM
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ok..



daddy warbucks asks"Pardon me, meathead but do you think i deserve my money?"

meathead replies" well sir too be honest i dont know you, or how you came into your wealth. I dont know if you are a decent man or a scoundrel. so i suppose it is i who should ask you a question...Do YOU THINK you deserve it?"


~meathead



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 07:58 AM
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A lot of people spend a lot of time complaining about the rich and wealth and "Do they deserve it?"

Why not spend some time figuring out a sensical way to make your own wealth? What can you do to be wealthy?

Do they deserve it? Who are you to decide that? How do you decide that?

Do you see the "successful" business man in his office at 5am figuring payroll and the logistics of the day and upcoming week?
Do you see the business person sitting in a hotel, calling his/her kids to see how the school play went...didn't go, on a business trip or purchasing trip or trying to pick up new clients.
Do you see the "successful" person calling home because they won't get off at 4pm, but might get in by 10pm.
Do you see the successful couple that "scrimps and saves and invests" for 20-30 years, and then has the "successful" lifestyle to go and enjoy it.

How about the guy, like me, that works 50+ hours a week, has a small farm/business on the side, eats pasta and rice and whats in the garden so he can make a life for his family?
We've been to Hawaii, camped at the base of the Rockies, been to Key West, have a bunch of land, and a place at the coast.
Some would say I am wealthy...I WORKED for it. Go out and work for yours. Go to night school, reinvent yourself, do some extra work on the side... get involved with life and make decisions.

Hey, if I did it, you can too. set some goals.

Yes, the wealthy should keep what they have...they worked for it, they work to keep it, and they have enough good sense to know how to make it bigger.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 08:08 AM
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people like Richard Branson yes. all these lady's and lord's
that just happened to be in the right circle of people like
royalty in the past and pass down this wealth and have
never done a hard days work in there life NO.

they should donate a small percentage to me for
"fun" purposes IE fast cars fast women fast food

basically anything fast



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 08:25 AM
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So if I said my father was very wealthy and has worked to deserve it would I be considered ignorant. Is it assumed that I would know nothing about what my father and my grandfather did in their life time.
To be clear im not trying to be offensive, if it come's off that way my apologies. I have had a couple heated arguments about this before with people who think the rich shoud hand them everything.
Ill just state a few facts I KNOW are true so you know why I feel he deserves what he has, and also add that he may wealth but he never uses it to show off or demean anyone. He has always donated to charaties he finds deserving (he's an animal lover so shelters are popular for him) and when it comes to family or anyone really he'll empty his pockets for someone's health. I've seen him by lunch's for bums on the street or spend entire vacations fixing someon's broken sewer for free. You couldn't pay me to put my hands in that shi** lol

now on to the facts
1. My grandfather faught in the war, was a Japanese POW for 5 years and lived to start a family in a better place.

2. My grandmother was a nurse in the war a risked her life on several occasions smuggling medications and vaccines to wounded soldiers ( how she met my grandfather )

3. After the war they were forced out of their country, this was after my father was born, and came to canada where my grandfather started his own business.

4. My father has worked for that company his entire life and has been running that aswell as another company which is much larger he stared himself.

5. He works 365 days a year, 12 hours a day min. Except for his recent battle with cancer, that held him home for a couple months.
6. The man is now 60 years old and still works the same as he did when he was 20. He runs to companys directly and does a large amount of real estate.

7. The also owns a somewhat large hotel that the goverment has wanted to close and remove at his expense, they removed the small hotels beside him for a quite satasfying payout but have refused him anything because his hotel is much larger than 8 or 10 cabins.

8. After 15-20 years of constant court with him vs the gov't he finally won, a judge ordered the gov't to pay out. but guess what they REFUSED. they literly just said no in court. So now he eather has to let it go and suffer the loss or try and battle it out again and force the payment. Life that will ever happen though.

thankfully in his lifetime of work and hardship he has EARNED enough to comfortably support his family.

any thoughts tho, do you think he deserves to live a little bit better or should he have to divide his money to those around him untill we are all equal.
I am fully open to debate and your opinions

GummB

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empireofpain - i really could agree more, every time some one has had this argument with me before they have tried to say they didn't grow up rich so they wouldn't be acustomed to the lifestyle, and there for would just give to all their friends and fmaily so everyone could live a little more comfortably.
personally I think thats BS, because those are the people who won't even share a bag of chips. Can't say im that greedy but maybe it's cause I never felt simple possesions were top prioity, they are replaceable.

AlreadyGone - i agree with you aswell. I'm glad you have made a life for yourself and can now enjoy the better parts of life. My father being in his position has inspiered me and my siblings to do the same, not just drift into a pool of lazy people who feel it'll fall into thier hands one day. I hope you are inspiring those around you to do the same too





[edit on 19-6-2010 by GummB]



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by empireofpain

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by empireofpain
The real reason all of you hate the rich and not want them to have money is ENVY.

You ENVY them and there wealth. Dont lie and just freakin admit it.

The op if given a chance would become a millionaire and would say "screw everyone else" because its just the damn truth. just as anyone who was sane and human would.

and dont try to deny it.

its like that test with the two monkeys. one was given a grape and the other was given raisin or prune.

The one getting the raisin and prune started noticing the other monkey getting a grape....and went crazy with envy. from then on the monkey refused the raisins and only wanted the grape.

ITS JUST PURE ENVY YOU IDIOTS! thats why you hate the rich who you think dont 'deserve' there wealth.

Give me a break...your nothing but jealous little CHILDREN!(not to anyone particular but all those that hate the rich in general)


Oh yeah? Tell that to the starving millions all over the world, tell that to the majority of humanity who lives in relative poverty. Tell that even to those in the first world who have to work sh*t jobs for most of their lives to fill the pockets of the rich.

This isn't about one person being jealous of another, this is about the world as a whole and the gross inequities of the haves and the have-nots, and if you can't see such an obvious/simple big picture as that, then the only child here is you.


Its still envy no matter what reason you have it dee dee dee.

You can blame it on all those things you mentioned. Try to take the moral highground all you want.

The truth is that your just a little jealous/envious CHILD. You can wrap your envy and jealousy inside good intentions and wonderful rainbows but your STILL JUST ENVIOUS.

its not your fault though.its pretty much written into us though as we ae pretty much monkeys( i know we are great apes but whatever!)

Just keep living in your illusion. keep Thinking you hate the rich for moral reasons or what ever makes you think you are right.

Dont deny it because you know its true(of course you will deny it though....still gotta have that moral highground).

No matter what cause or justification you wrap it in...ITS STILL JUST ENVY AND JEALOUSY!

Also by reading your responses im guessing your a socialist and in favor of wealth redistribution.

Im also guessing you favor some form of thievery...oh wait if your already a socialist you favor that


[edit on 18-6-2010 by empireofpain]


Once again, you're dead-wrong.

Please read my initial post and argue the ACTUAL points I made instead of projecting other peoples' jealousy onto me. My initial post really hasn't much at all to do with jealousy and instead a SERIOUS analysis of our world/society as a system or series of systems which produce certain overall results. The results we see are- most people are poor/impoverished, a small minority are able to gain far more wealth than is reasonable. You must open your mind to the possibility that our society could be organized in a virtually INFINITE manner of ways. Any of these ways will produce its own set of unique results. With that in mind you MUST come to the conclusion that the way we live collectively is nowhere near the best we can do, there are better ways. My contention is that we must be honest about the flaws of our system and work to correct them, even if it means scrapping the current one. As they say- doing something over and over again even if it's not working is called insanity. This is an insane culture we live in, and nothing gets solved.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by GummB
So if I said my father was very wealthy and has worked to deserve it would I be considered ignorant. Is it assumed that I would know nothing about what my father and my grandfather did in their life time.
To be clear im not trying to be offensive, if it come's off that way my apologies. I have had a couple heated arguments about this before with people who think the rich shoud hand them everything.
Ill just state a few facts I KNOW are true so you know why I feel he deserves what he has, and also add that he may wealth but he never uses it to show off or demean anyone. He has always donated to charaties he finds deserving (he's an animal lover so shelters are popular for him) and when it comes to family or anyone really he'll empty his pockets for someone's health. I've seen him by lunch's for bums on the street or spend entire vacations fixing someon's broken sewer for free. You couldn't pay me to put my hands in that shi** lol

now on to the facts
1. My grandfather faught in the war, was a Japanese POW for 5 years and lived to start a family in a better place.

2. My grandmother was a nurse in the war a risked her life on several occasions smuggling medications and vaccines to wounded soldiers ( how she met my grandfather )

3. After the war they were forced out of their country, this was after my father was born, and came to canada where my grandfather started his own business.

4. My father has worked for that company his entire life and has been running that aswell as another company which is much larger he stared himself.

5. He works 365 days a year, 12 hours a day min. Except for his recent battle with cancer, that held him home for a couple months.
6. The man is now 60 years old and still works the same as he did when he was 20. He runs to companys directly and does a large amount of real estate.

7. The also owns a somewhat large hotel that the goverment has wanted to close and remove at his expense, they removed the small hotels beside him for a quite satasfying payout but have refused him anything because his hotel is much larger than 8 or 10 cabins.

8. After 15-20 years of constant court with him vs the gov't he finally won, a judge ordered the gov't to pay out. but guess what they REFUSED. they literly just said no in court. So now he eather has to let it go and suffer the loss or try and battle it out again and force the payment. Life that will ever happen though.

thankfully in his lifetime of work and hardship he has EARNED enough to comfortably support his family.

any thoughts tho, do you think he deserves to live a little bit better or should he have to divide his money to those around him untill we are all equal.
I am fully open to debate and your opinions

GummB

edit. spelling and layout
added

empireofpain - i really could agree more, every time some one has had this argument with me before they have tried to say they didn't grow up rich so they wouldn't be acustomed to the lifestyle, and there for would just give to all their friends and fmaily so everyone could live a little more comfortably.
personally I think thats BS, because those are the people who won't even share a bag of chips. Can't say im that greedy but maybe it's cause I never felt simple possesions were top prioity, they are replaceable.

AlreadyGone - i agree with you aswell. I'm glad you have made a life for yourself and can now enjoy the better parts of life. My father being in his position has inspiered me and my siblings to do the same, not just drift into a pool of lazy people who feel it'll fall into thier hands one day. I hope you are inspiring those around you to do the same too





[edit on 19-6-2010 by GummB]


I absolutely acknowledge that there are very hard-working and noble people like your father. I'm a firm believer that every individual's character must be judged on its own and not according to superficial characteristics. A person can be good/bad, noble/ignoble no matter their race, gender, religion, status, class, etc. My argument is not that your father doesn't deserve the amount of money he's made... I couldn't possibly say that for sure. My argument, once again, is a larger-picture argument looking at society AS A WHOLE. When we take a step back and look around, we see that most people struggle within the system to an unacceptable degree. Many people are suffering or unable to attain a sense of security. This is, of course, a natural part of life, there are no guarantees and security isn't always guaranteed either. However, our society isn't exactly a NATURAL system, it's a system which can be changed, tweaked, abandoned, and/or re-directed. Knowing it can be changed in such ways- why do we still allow the system to continue when we know it is not working well enough for humans or the environment? Once again we are collectively INSANE when we continue a culture that doesn't fulfill our needs or live in proper balance with ecosystems that we rely upon for our very survival. If improvement is possible, then we are also insane for avoiding positive changes.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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As long as they've acquired their wealth through legal, honest means, I see no reason why they don't deserve it. They worked for it.

People talk about greed among the rich, and no doubt, many of them are greedy, but as I read these types of threads, its clear that many of the poor are no different. They just want what someone else has. Greed, jealousy and envy are universal human traits, it seems.

And maybe Mr. Rich Man doesn't deserve his cash, but what makes you believe that YOU deserve what he has instead?



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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You have to look at it in this way. There is only so much gold in this world. Is there enough gold to cover every fake dollar the rich have? No, not with the way the money has been printed over the last few years. So how rich does this really make most of them?

If you throw away the fake money, just how rich would most of those people be then? What do you think would happen to a large portion of the rich, if the fiat money system falls apart? They would be in the same boat as you or I. Why do you think they are fighting to keep this system going? To help the working class? Not on your life. Their digital bank account would look just as ours would look.......empty. I could set here and make a fake bank account within my computer, then type in one trillion dollars into it, and it would have just as much digital value as what they have if the system falls apart.

The greedy rich deserve nothing but the worthless paper money, and those who are not greedy deserve the gold.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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And let's not forget those who get from the RICH and give to the RICH!!




posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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actually, I think the rich don't really have that much money probably. they put their money to work for them, invest it, in property, stocks, cdo's, gold, silver, ect.
then well, when nice big bubbles come along, like the housing bubble, their net worth sckyrockets....lots of money is created out of thin air, at least on paper, then well, when the bubble bursts, things start devaluing and well...their net worth kind of decreases I think.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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That was my point. Beings there is no real value in cash or computer digits, that would mean for years now, we have been paid for our toils from a valueless system.

Many will say that it is backed by the Fed. Ok then, how much value is that worth? How much value is in their word, or any word? You can`t buy anything with a word. From the moment they dropped gold and silver from backing the dollar, we have been living in a fake system, or a lie if you will. Any monetary system that will use nothing but a word to back it with, is going to fail.





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