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Originally posted by JIMC5499
If I was running things in Israel, next time I'd just use a sub.
Originally posted by strangleholder1
reply to post by crmanager
You couldn't be more wrong, you have NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORLD AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A HUMAN BEING......
Worst thread topic I've EVER! seen on ATS.....
Originally posted by Eliad
reply to post by name pending
What continuous track record? What are you talking about? Name some cases of manipulation, with proof...
Exactly.. How can you stop a moving ship without boarding it?
By the way, when he was talking about the two options he was talking about either reaching Gaza, or die as martyrs.
It was screened by Turky, if I'm not mistaken, and that's hardly NATO..
Also those violent activists
boarded on a different location and after the inspection (according to some of the other activists.. Could be a lie though..).
Lastly weapons were found, metal rods (which were dismantled off the ship), knives (not just kitchen knives..), etc.That means the inspection wasn't good enough.
I have yet to see any solid proof on that. I actually have many points to counter that:
Why aren't there any bodies on deck at the moment of the attack? Did they shoot at the boat, then wait for the activists to clear the bodies, and only then boarded?
Why are people standing around waiting for the commandos on the deck? Even if they are ready to defend themselves, shouldn't they at least be taking cover? And they expected the commandos to shoot them?! Have you ever been under fire? No one would stand like that in the open when threatened with live fire.
Footage is much more accurate then people's stories.
Again, what proof do you have?
From what I've heard the activists who weren't violent tried to save the soldiers from being massacred.
All you have is stories, all I have is stories.
I'll ask you this though, do you really think a trained commando with a pistol would not be able to shoot and kill anyone that gets close to them?
Also can you confirm this point blank rumors?
The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back.
Most of the activists on board were peaceful.. And actually stopped the violent ones from killing the soldiers. Those peaceful activists had no part in the violence.
Bull#, I saw the list in the video, it was intel on what people were on board, delegations, how big was the ship, etc. And it wasn't even about that ship, it was about a different one.
Do you really think they were expected to remember all these faces, and be able to not shoot them in the heat of a battle? Seriously? Are they robots now?
The UN has no authority on this issue.
This is a matter of international law..
. Just to add to your trolling attempt Israel has authority over the issue of international law?
The United Nations Organization (UNO) or simply United Nations (UN) is an international organization whose stated aims are facilitating cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress, human rights, and the achieving of world peace.
Also there's no more occupation in Gaza,
and the blockade only stops things like chocolate, not aid. In fact, Israel provides more aid in half a week than what was on that ship. So the aid thing is bull#..
Mr. Ban said at a news conference that the United Nations was trying to get relief supplies to nearly one million people daily, but that Israel was only allowing one border crossing to open, permitting trucks with supplies for only about 30,000 people to get through.
Also why not get it through Israel or Egypt? Both were willing to deliver free of cost!
I honestly don't know what the truth is, but had these people been given their tapes they would have made the truth seem like whatever they want to.
Editing is easy. Besides Israel doesn't want videos of their beaten commandos online. The truth is no sane government would have let anyone off with their tapes after an event like this, regardless of what happened.
I have yet to find any proof to this claim.
How? You can see them descending on the ship, no bodies on deck, no one's hiding or taking cover..Also I've seen this hour long video.. There's no proof on it! Have you seen it? There's just clanking in the background.. Doesn't even sound like guns, and no one's acting as if they're shot at..It's just too hard to believe these people were shot at.. I've seen how people act in these situations...
Article 33. No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
Right, and you are what? An unbiased observer?
I'm hoping that this investigation will somehow manage to bring the truth to light in a manner that's unequivocal.