It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Is the Illuminati controlled by off world beings?

page: 2
2
<< 1   >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 12:57 AM
link   
reply to post by DoomsdayRex
 


Rex I couldn't agree with you more. The illuminati is constantly debunked yet people still Believe in. I'm happy when I find people like you here on ATS. !




posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:07 AM
link   

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
What ever it is it appears they are out to deceive. You know, probably like some people who want you to think that a moth is an alien light being. They are probably the people that most of us here are fighting, DD


The only people deceiving are those who believe in an Illuminati controlling world affairs; they are deceiving themselves.

It is a modern twist on an old human need. The Illuminati fill the same psychological niche as the gods and demons of old. Confused and terrified about world events, we invent things like the Illuminati so that we may convince ourselves there is some order, some reason. It is comforting. Even if this fictional force is monstrous, it is still more comforting than the alternative.


"Illuminati" is something of a layman's term. What people really mean when they refer to it are the various rich bastards across the world that like to play with nations and resources like they're pieces on a chess board. The Bilderbergs, the Trilats, the Bohemian Grove, Council for Foreign Relations, etc.

Fortunately they don't actually rule the world yet, but there's something said in trying now isn't there?



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:13 AM
link   

Originally posted by Y2Zgt
Why didn't you give rex a real answer instead of attacking him?


While I appreciate you sticking up for me, it's unnecessary. Dragon is not attacking me. We're sharing a joke about something that is happening in another thread.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:32 AM
link   

Originally posted by Y2Zgt
reply to post by jonah0julian
 


WAKE UP!

[edit on 18-6-2010 by Y2Zgt]


oh the irony of those words!
im awake! now what?



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:51 AM
link   
The answer is yes and no,on the one hand they have technologies like in the movie Dark City that can fold time and space and holographically give people visions dreams etc on the other hand they have John Dee like bastards that can conjure up little charmers like goetic demons to make peoples life merry hell,they definately command and control maleavalent non-human intelligences the question is where do they get the power to do that and perform high order magic such as enochian or egyptian.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 02:57 AM
link   
Well, lets go all out here - how do we know that the illuminati aren't extraterrestrials themselves? nobody can say with 100% conviction that TPTB are indeed hu-man beings.

The more we research into occults and the illuminati the stranger and murkier it all becomes.



[edit on 18-6-2010 by franspeakfree]



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:15 AM
link   

Originally posted by Y2Zgt
reply to post by dragonsmusic
 


Why didn't you give rex a real answer instead of attacking him???
I'm sure you know that the illuminati is a secret society that disbanded in the 1700s. Many Conspiracy theorist think that they are satanic guild controlling the world who do satanic rituals and keep the rule of the devil on earth. Clearly it is easy to see that these people are just trying to convert people to their religion or they are trolling or psychotically unstable. The mythical illuminati has been debunked numerous times. All the main "researchers" have been proven to be frauds. WAKE UP!


[edit on 18-6-2010 by dragonsmusic]



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:22 AM
link   

Originally posted by Y2Zgt
reply to post by dragonsmusic
 


Why didn't you give rex a real answer instead of attacking him???
I'm sure you know that the illuminati is a secret society that disbanded in the 1700s. Many Conspiracy theorist think that they are satanic guild controlling the world who do satanic rituals and keep the rule of the devil on earth. Clearly it is easy to see that these people are just trying to convert people to their religion or they are trolling or psychotically unstable. The mythical illuminati has been debunked numerous times. All the main "researchers" have been proven to be frauds. WAKE UP!


Yeah, I'm attacking him

Rex knows what I mean.
You however , don't seem to think that there is a conspiracy to control the world by a handfull of sick bastards who think they are illuminated.
Take a look at what ATS member AshleyD has put together about the NWO. Or stay asleep and don't. Peace.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:26 AM
link   

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
What ever it is it appears they are out to deceive. You know, probably like some people who want you to think that a moth is an alien light being. They are probably the people that most of us here are fighting, DD


The only people deceiving are those who believe in an Illuminati controlling world affairs; they are deceiving themselves.

It is a modern twist on an old human need. The Illuminati fill the same psychological niche as the gods and demons of old. Confused and terrified about world events, we invent things like the Illuminati so that we may convince ourselves there is some order, some reason. It is comforting. Even if this fictional force is monstrous, it is still more comforting than the alternative.



I appreciate your educating the poster who thought I was attacking you. What you told him about the rich bastards was great, though it sort of deflates what you are telling me in this post here, mate.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:32 AM
link   
reply to post by jonah0julian
 


I do wonder about the all seeing eye and its origin.

2nd



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 12:58 PM
link   
Derived from my post on godlikeproductions:

www.godlikeproductions.com...

I could see the history of this dreadful planet.

Atlantis fell. The Great Flood caused it. They were stupid and misused their technology or wuteva.

Then humanity became uncivilized and tribal. But then the reptilian controllers brought about the emergance of civilizations all brainwashed and subdued by belief systems based on Luciferianism.

Then came a whole long time where the world was ruled by evil tyrants and a wealthy minority while most people were all poor and dumb/brainwashed. Then we had the Enlightenment and revolutions came about. But the revolutions were only to usher in a new form of Luciferian control and brainwashing based on secularism/rationalism.

Then came later the Industrial Revolution which caused progress but also more hell and poverty etc.

The new political system which began in the French Revolution was controlling and evil from the start. The new form of control was the use of the new political spectrum containing the control systems of socialism and capitalism.

The Industrial Rev caused the formation of the powerful nation states that led to WW1. WW1 caused the emergence of Communist Russia and the Great Depression. Then came another world war that was more Luciferian in its manner with the emergence of fascism and nazism. Then Hitler became crazy and swayed from the original plans and so the Illuminati had to subdue him.

Then after that came the emergence of the Cold War and such. Then after the Cold War we have freakin 9/11 and the damn Bush.

Now we got damn Obama and the almost completion of the NWO (reptilian [or some alien race-yes they've been here a long time] final takeover of this planet) by 2020. God damn it, we're done.

It was during the Great Depression that we have the dominant philosophies that continue till today. Logical Empiricism is the dominat philosophy in the USA and the UK. Logical Empricism is the philosophy that spiritual things cannot be proven and so we should just rely and science. That is a major Luciferian philosophy.

Existentialism (the belief in atheism mixed with morality) still has major influence in Europe today. Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy (all religion is unreliable and life is meaningless) is also rather dominant in Europe today.

This below describes the dominant current philosophies of Europe:
"the most important single philosophical periods since the classical era were the Renaissance, the Age of Reason and the Age of Enlightenment. There are many disputes as to its value and even its timescale. What is indisputable is that the tenets of reason and rational discourse owe much to René Descartes, John Locke and others working at the time.
(All these are Luciferian)

Other important European philosophical strands include: Analytic philosophy, Calvinism, Christian Democracy, Communism, Conservatism, Constructionism, Deconstructionism, Empiricism, Epicureanism, Existentialism, Fascism, Humanism, Idealism, Liberalism, Logical positivism, Marxism, Materialism, Monarchism, Nationalism, Perspectivism, Platonism, Positivism, Postmodernism, Rationalism, Romanticism, Scepticism, Scholasticism, Social Democracy, Socialism, Stoicism, Structuralism, Thomism, Utilitarianism, Spenglerism (All of these are Luciferian also)"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


This below also summarizes:
"In English-speaking countries logical empiricism dominated.
Ludwig Wittgenstein reduced philosophy to the study of language, arguing that philosophers could not make meaningful statements about God, freedom, morality, and so on.
On the Continent existentialism dominated.
Existentialists generally were atheists, but they sought moral values in a world of terror and uncertainty.
Jean-Paul Sartre argued that human beings are forced to define themselves by their choices. If they do so consciously, they can overcome life’s meaninglessness."

The Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution are the main foundations for today. These 2 things have brought in a new control that will usher in the NWO (success of Reptilian plans) by 2020.

When I say Luciferian I mean this: either the rational and secular beliefs of today that deny the spirit and the old religions that worship the reptilian lords (all Judaic religions of West and MidEast, folk relgions of East Asia like Hinduism and traditional Chinese religion, folk relgigions of Africa and Native Americans [Native Americans sacrificed humans on altars to the gods hello the Aztecs!!!!!] etc.).

The only mainstream belief systems that I see to be the closest to the truth will be Taoism/Buddhism. But yet these Eastern religions have caused the New Age religions which have obviously been infiltrated. The New Age religion is just like old religions in that it makes people to block their egos and surrender to the 'One'. This is equivalent to the old religion's way of blocking your evil nature/supressing your sinful nature and surrender to God/gods. Its all the same. We are doomed. Humanity is still ruled by a minority of wealthy intelligent entities while the majority of humanity remains to be ignorant and controlled by the new form of serfdom called capitalism.

We are finished.

…To elaborate religion makes people to suppress their sinful natures and surrendur their souls to the gods/reptilians, while the New Age religion causes people to supress their egos/sinful natures and surrendur to the 'One' (gods/reptilians). In other words the New Age religion causes people to think "everything is perfect and so i should just do nothing and just wait until i am saved by the upcoming ascension". This just gives the Controllers more power. Thr truth is that one must use 'Active and Dynamic Spirtiualty'. Dynamic Spirituality is where one keeps their ego and embraces their individualty and takes control of their own destiny and reality. Then one must connect to the source and become awakened/enlightened. This is how we stop the controllers. Dynamic Spirituality allows one to defend themselves, the New Age Religion makes a person to do nothing hence giving the Controllers the chance to win.

…2012 might be a year where ET's/reptilians reveal themselves in which they tell the world that they will show us the way to ascension. But those that follow them will be abducted and become slaves (many many many people will fall for it). Those that don't will stay on Earth and go through a real ascension, that is what that blockage in the timeline that the time traveler's have talked about.

The Illuminati have thinked that they have won, and so they will continue with their destructive plans. So it is determined that the Illuminati will usher in destruction, because they think that they have 'won' and that their plans will be successful. But the Illuminati does not know that higher forces are at work that will undermine their plans.

It's only about time...



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:12 PM
link   
I started all the reptilian videos on youtube with my bush senior one.I have a pretty good channel and show a lot of things beside reptilians.I am going to start showing more.People send me many videos(they think I am "the" expert) and no one really knows how many "shape shifters" there are.That is since I with hold a lot.I just have many more interesting personal issues to expose to the world-than reptilians,which other people do a decnt job...sometimes...at exposing..I guess..Maybe I better I handle that as well.Some of these video makers suck at the whole presentation and false info etc. with reptilians...I cant wait til I can post things here
I suck at forums I suppose ,Or at least am not seasoned at it....but videos and photos is my game...peace y'all-I am humanswin on youtube and I am a native of this land called america now.



new topics

top topics



 
2
<< 1   >>

log in

join