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David cameron supports BP at last!!

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posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 05:37 AM
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David Cameron yesterday publicly stepped in to the issue in support of BP for the first time. On Wednesday, in his strongest show of support since the oil began leaking two months ago, Mr Cameron said the company should not be exposed to a string of future damages claims. "BP is an important company," he said. "It is an important company for people's pensions, it employs thousands of people in the UK, it pays a lot of tax. "It's important to try to give some level of clarity and certainty so that the company can actually continue and be financially stable," he said. "They do need a level of certainty, and this is BP's worry, that there won't be claims entertained that are three or four times removed from the oil spill. This shouldn't be about going after BP for the sake of it." George Osborne, the Chancellor, this morning added: "BP is a very important company not just to the British but to the American economy as well, and we want it to flourish in the future for all our sakes."


T elegraph Paper....

At LAST David Cameron speaks up publicly and states support for BP. He is using his head and not undermining the disaster but not overplaying it to ridiculous proportions either.

Lots of companies where involved in the BP disaster, it just so happens that BP are the face of all these companies. Well Done to Cameron.





[edit on 17-6-2010 by C11H17N2NaO2S]




posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 05:43 AM
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Hear, hear!

I completely agree with Cameron's stance on this too. As you say the proportions to which this event have been played to are ludicrous and sensationalised beyond recognition. It rightly deserves the concerns and sympathy where due, but let us recognise the bigger picture here.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 05:59 AM
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Too big to fail type of # huh?

Screw that.

The Big Picture- It will all be destroyed if we dont start tackling the problem instead of paying Big Names to come out to tell us that everything is okay, and that we dont need to worry, that they have it all takin care of.

I can care less right now about excuses.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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US and UK friction is on the rise - I wonder how much proper news will go unnoticed by the masses, while this pantomime plays out.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 06:08 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The only people who seem to agree with you on this are the ones in the UK, funny eh?
Maybe that would be different if you were losing everything here in the Gulf.
Maybe if this had happened off the coast of the UK you would be a bit upset.

The truth is that the blowout would not have happened if a BP manager had not overrode the Transocean drillers about removing the drilling mud then replacing it with lighter saltwater. The mud was the only thing keeping pressure on the well until the cement caps had been properly pressure tested. It was a gamble based solely on profit, and now its going to end up costing them. It was not multiple companies fault, that decision came strictly from BP management, and caused a big argument on the rig immediately before the accident. BP said it was their decision to do this, Transocean tried to stop them, but BP told them it was their call and it was going to be done that way…
They therefore assume all responsibility for what happened.

BP knows it’s the truth as well, hence the fact that they have agreed to suspend all their dividend payouts…

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 06:35 AM
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The reason is simple. People from their own countries back there own...period. If you have read any of my posts you will see that I am PRO-Government including the US and I am English and support England and its interests but I work for in the US and have 16 months on my current posting in the US. I have always backed Gov.

However, on this occasion I never said I backed BP just that more than one company had a hand in the Disaster over here in the states.

I am backing David Cameron's decision to back a UK company in a time of crisis. British Interest have taken a backseat in Britain with the flock of immigrant undesirable stealing and pillaging our nations resources. I am an active member of supporting England and its surrounding countries in the United Kingdom.

I am also an avid supporter of differing points of view so I do welcome yours but so far I have had points deducted and warnings handed to me for my opinions, by moderators; so lets hope this does not happen for my differing and unwavering opinion here, however it conflict with yours.

My positive stance will always be in the following,

Family
England
Britain
Government

So as my family have no business here I have backed England and Britain and the government of the UK.

I am though a great supporter of the US...well till Mr Hussein / Barrack Obama came in anyway.



[edit on 17-6-2010 by C11H17N2NaO2S]



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
The only people who seem to agree with you on this are the ones in the UK, funny eh?
Maybe that would be different if you were losing everything here in the Gulf.
Maybe if this had happened off the coast of the UK you would be a bit upset.


We didnt give the go ahead for drilling of up to 22500 ft, We didnt give the go ahead for an oil well to be built in such a stupid place.
I dont like the BP disaster and think its an atrocity but its the fault of a few greedy individuals. and bickering between UK and US servs no purpose.
Some Americans are so stupid that there blaming Britain just because its 'BRITISH Petroleum' not even thinking that britain and america basically hold the same amount in the company.... Idiots. Its not the british fault, And just as most americans wouldnt care if it happened to britian. Why do you expect most of the british populus to bow down to USA and fork out money from our own back pockets.

Edit for ridiculous spelling of oil


[edit on 17-6-2010 by GW8UK]



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:26 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

reply to post by C11H17N2NaO2S
 


From my perspective here though, it had very little to do with the other companies, and it really would not matter if it was a UK company or not…

The only hand Transocean had in what happened was the BOP, but the BOP is not the primary device that is intended to hold down the pressure, it is a secondary emergency shutoff device (that is even if it would not have simply blown apart or blown off from that level of pressure). Halliburton really had nothing to do with what happened, as their cement plugs would have worked just fine, but had to be tested to ensure that they are sealed correctly. The Blowout was directly from BP’s decision to remove the weight of the heavy mud before the proper readings from Halliburtons cement plugs showed that they were sealed correctly. Removal of the mud allowed the escape of the pressurized gas, which in turn directly caused the blowout. If the mud had stayed in until the pressure tests read that the cement had sealed correctly, this accident would not have occurred.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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If the tables were turned, and Americans requested that Britain didn't discuss one of the worst environmental disasters in history, for fear of negatively affecting our retirement and investment portfolios, we would be called every kind of rich, spoiled, money-hungry, greedy people there are.

But somehow, because it's not Americans' bank accounts this time, suddenly it's OK to downplay a disaster and request we try not to speak about the company taking full responsibility -- all in the name of protecting the value of your stocks?!

This has been the most blatant hypocritical political jockeying I have seen in a long time and I am completely disappointed in the British's attitude.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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He can support them all he wants. BP is finished. Thier stock will continue to crash and they will be bought up by Royal Dutch or Exxon, but it will most likely be an asset sale, since I am sure that the US will seize all of their offshore platforms, and revoke all drilling permits. If you work for BP, I would start looking for another job.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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Personally, I'm waiting for the next BP's gift. In Alaska. They have a lot of security issues in this region.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:31 AM
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So what Mr. Cameron wants for the US to declare BP too big to fail and have the tax payer in the nation to foot the bill?

After all we in the US are suckers for bailout to the big and wealthy.

Perhaps the stocks holders of BP should help BP and give away their fortunes created with the company profits and save the day.



I will like, really like talk heads like Mr. Cameron to come to the gulf and help clean the wild life from the tar. . .

How about that . . .

[edit on 17-6-2010 by marg6043]



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:34 AM
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Errr... I’m from Britain and i think BP are scum... i say punish the executives by bringing criminal charges against them.

Not going to state my reasons why because i already have on several other threads including one ive just started...


BP... A history of crime!!


People who defend BP are just blinded by a misplaced sense of loyalty to a company that not even British.

Please.... fellow Englishmen... save the Dunkirk Spirit for a worthy cause!!



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:41 AM
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Thanks Muckster, is been a lot of propaganda lately that seems to point we here in ATS are attacking the UK because BP, but so far all I see is BP been attacked because the spill not the UK.

Sad that when things like this happen people always tend to feel offended, is nice to see members that are weighing the issue for its merits out of what they have learn not because feelings.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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I totally agree, how can anyone justify defending BP at the moment? Certainly not me and I'm from the UK. I'm pretty sure my parents pensions will,be tied up with BP, but I imagine this will effect more people on the gulf coast than anyone else. Not to mention the environmental damage to local wild life habitats. This damage is going to go on for years maybe deacades, like in Valdez



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by defcon5
 


Errr... I’m from Britain and i think BP are scum... i say punish the executives by bringing criminal charges against them.

Not going to state my reasons why because i already have on several other threads including one ive just started...


BP... A history of crime!!


People who defend BP are just blinded by a misplaced sense of loyalty to a company that not even British.

Please.... fellow Englishmen... save the Dunkirk Spirit for a worthy cause!!




That's a load of bollocks. Why is it that when a person on this forum pursues their own judgement while accepting that BP must accept responsibility, along with OTHER such companies involved here including the government of US, that all of a sudden we're ''supporting'' BP?

Total and utter nonsense and even more blinding of the accusing parties on this website that would suddenly hold a 'with us or die' attitude, irrespective of whether we agree how awful this is.

You might want to add the Welsh, Scottish and NI in your ''fellow Englishmen'' part there. Now, who's being blind?



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:46 AM
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FANTASY RESULT:

BP Cleans up their mess... Taking full responsibility for ALL of their employees actions... AND their subsidiaries... AND their contractors.

That's the responsible thing to do.

Take responsibility for your underlings... That's EVERYBODY under the BP umbrella.

THEN: Put BP into receivership and liquidate the company.

Failing has the effect of demonstrating to other companies "You better know your sh!t, or you're out of business and your assets are sold pennies on the dollar."
 

REALITY AS IT IS TODAY:

BP has a boo boo and the world (TPTB) hugs them to try to make it all better. (I know there's more to it than this.)

"It's OK. It's not your fault that the Earth is gushing oil like a huge zit.
It's the Earth's fault! If it didn't have oil, then ...!"
 

My opinion as it stated above: Simple: Let them clean up the mess paying all who can fix it...
Then into receivership to pay for the MOST SERIOUS MISTAKE HUMANITY HAS EVER KNOWN.
Then, Trials and rolling heads.

Speaking of rolling heads, can't wait for November!



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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That's a load of bollocks. Why is it that when a person on this forum pursues their own judgement while accepting that BP must accept responsibility, along with OTHER such companies involved here including the government of US, that all of a sudden we're ''supporting'' BP?

Total and utter nonsense and even more blinding of the accusing parties on this website that would suddenly hold a 'with us or die' attitude, irrespective of whether we agree how awful this is.

You might want to add the Welsh, Scottish and NI in your ''fellow Englishmen'' part there. Now, who's being blind?



Calm down dear... no need to get excited and start swearing... Anyone would think that it was you who had just had a million gallons of oil dumped on your head...

Now take a breath and try and explain yourself in a more coherent manner...


And just for the record...

C11H17N2NaO2S

was praising David Cameron for defending BP...




At LAST David Cameron speaks up publicly and states support for BP


My point is valid... your rant is not!


[edit on 17-6-2010 by Muckster]



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Muckster
 


Thanks Muckster, is been a lot of propaganda lately that seems to point we here in ATS are attacking the UK because BP, but so far all I see is BP been attacked because the spill not the UK.

Sad that when things like this happen people always tend to feel offended, is nice to see members that are weighing the issue for its merits out of what they have learn not because feelings.



You're absolutely right. I personally don't feel offended at all and being a Brit, it has never struck a personal chord with me when Obama raleighed the 'British Petroleum' name either. What concerned many posters, like myself, was the level of irrational response to the scale and proportion of this event and mis-leading information and these so called facts being presented - namely from questionable sources. It was almost as if the general feeling here was that America was somehow calling out under a veil of protest that her and her people are now the ONLY victims to the worst disaster that has ever happened. Quite frankly, I have, and continue to take a stance against that mind set and that way of thinking that is prevelant on ATS, though, not all have done been quite so.

Questioned if this happened to British shorelines I would very likely experience very strong emotional response, much in the same way the general public surrounding the Gulf are.

It's one thing to discuss and vent about how this is effecting people, the environment and how events unfolded but it is another thing to start preaching about the singular in a self-righteous and parochial way - much like what has been spewing out on this site by a good deal of people.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 08:50 AM
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Is a lot of information coming forward of how the events to oil disaster materialized, now it seems that Halliburton along with BP trying to save some money is also part of the problem.

I wonder if Halliburton should be held accountable also.



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