Originally posted by kiwifoot
The UK is an absolute joke. So let me get this right, because the "mostly Muslim" population of these areas of Birmingham wasn't consulted, they
don't have to be subjected to extra CCTV coverage?
No, no-one was consulted. These camera's photograph and track every car moving in/out of an area housing nearly 100,000 people. I live within that
area, and nobody asked me if I minded having every car journey I make tracked to 'prevent terrorism.' I don't see how one leads to the other.
Did anyone ask the other %99,5 of the UK? The truth of the matter is, if you want to find radical Muslims, then look no further than Birmingham.
I might be breaking the decorum rules here, but that's utter, utter bulls%!t, you're trolling my friend.
I've lived here for 10 years because
of how liberal it is. It's incredibly multi-cultural, with christians, buddhists, muslim, hindhu's,
rich kids and hippies all living together quite happily. There's the odd issue between the muslim & black populations but that's about it.
It is laughable, insulting, pathetic, divisive and quite frankly a SICK indictment of the Political Correctness gone mad in this country..
Again, bulls!@t. The issue is simple - criminalising and covertly monitoring a very large population to find a minority group that may or may not
exist isn't on. There's nothing PC about the complaints, it's a privacy and mass monitoring issue.
If they don't want to be covered by CCTV, simple, do more to prevent radical Islamic beliefs among your youth, promote peace, preach
harmony not segregation.
Then you may find the cameras disappearing.
I wish I felt comfortable enough to go into what I do in real life, but there is real integration between communities here, as good as can be expected
I'm the last one to support a Big Brother State, I'm also a staunch 911 Truther, but the fact of the matter is that radical Muslim Extremists do
exist, whether by manipulation by TPTB or not.
Yet here you are, supporting ANPR, the best example of automated monitoring that there is.
Terrorists exist? Prove it. Have you met one? There's no real tangible evidence that muslim extremists were involved in any of the big terrorist
attack of recent years, only that they were blamed for them.
This being the case, we need to act on them, and we shouldn't pander to their demands or be sensitive to their concerns.
The demands to remove the cameras are coming from the whole community, not just muslims. Applying common sense for a second, I imagine any terrorists
in the area aren't going to be very vocal about their opposition and will likely just move, if they exist at all.
Stem the flow of hatred in your communities, and you'll see the cameras disappear.
There is no hatred. Did you somehow walk out of a page of the Daily Mail? I'd bet good money that baring a major major public outcry (and the people
of Moseley/Kings Heath are very, very good at that), the cameras will stay and multiply in the coming years.
There aren't initiatives like this in the large Muslim communities of London or Manchester, so get the hint Birmingham, sort it out!!
You need to get the hint. This is the beginning of rolling out these programmes all over the UK, it's sod all to do with terrorism, that's just an
easy way for councils to get the cash to do it. If you look into the consultation arrangements you'll see that nobody was consulted, and those that
were were mislead as to the scale and reasoning behind the system.
That aside, there are already ANPR cameras on every major road in the UK, tracking and logging your movements, and this is the beginning of them
moving onto smaller and smaller roads.
You genuinely believe it's got something to do with terrorists?! As has been the case for 10 years, they're just the excuse
[edit on 17-6-2010 by eightfold]