How can we get our military to forcibly remove Obama from office?

Originally posted by CBS01
reply to post by Wayne60

 

Wayne60:

Thanks for your reply earlier in my thread. Having had time to chill out from my overly-frustrated mood, I realize that was not a very clear thread. Even though in the 3rd paragraph I tried to convey I was referring to a legal removal of the President, it was still not enough. (Especially with the thread title I used.) I take responsibility for any disrespect to our great country that I may have implied and apologize for that.

Respectfully,
CBS

Stop apologizing, you did not call for an assassination, or say you were going to storm the Whitehouse so all is good, you said nothing illegal or treasonous. We still have freedom of speech here, for now. You were just asking when is the military going to honor their oath?

I am guessing many in the military have discussed contingency plans if obama tries something drastic before November or there is shenanigans at the polls.

I am more convinced than ever now though that obama is a 98 lb bully brainwashed by radical hippies but his real God is still the almighty dollar. He is only going to keep pushing his agenda until someone (congress, the voters, etc) stands up to him, after that he will turn into a cowering dog, spending the rest of his tenure on the golf course and going "on-the-down-low" Why do you think everything is being pushed so quickly? Because they know we don't want what he is serving up, their time is running out, November is only a few months away.

Who we have to worry about are his minions, who once they see their dreams crumbling, decide to do something about it, a last stand if you will.

[edit on 17-6-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]

reply to post by seagull


seagull:

Thanks for your reply earlier in my thread. I never intended anything illegal being done by anyone. I thought my 3rd paragraph explained I was referring to finding illegal actions the Prez. had committed, and thus, having him militarily removed/arrested/whatever. In my overly-frustrated mood at the time of composing the thread, I realize now I did a very poor job of explaining myself there. I meant no disrespect to our great country. Yours is about the 10th personal apology/explanations I've written so far and have many more to go. So, I'll wish you a good evening and commit to writing threads without emotion involved so much in the future.

Respectfully,
CBS

Originally posted by CBS01
reply to post by seagull

 

seagull:

Thanks for your reply earlier in my thread. I never intended anything illegal being done by anyone. I thought my 3rd paragraph explained I was referring to finding illegal actions the Prez. had committed, and thus, having him militarily removed/arrested/whatever. In my overly-frustrated mood at the time of composing the thread, I realize now I did a very poor job of explaining myself there. I meant no disrespect to our great country. Yours is about the 10th personal apology/explanations I've written so far and have many more to go. So, I'll wish you a good evening and commit to writing threads without emotion involved so much in the future.

Respectfully,
CBS

OP, STOP already, YOU DIDN"T DO ANYTHING WRONG!!!! Stop apologizing to the obamabots. Like I said, you still have freedom of speech for now.

Originally posted by Wayne60


Treason by definition is

treason n the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war

Source

No one is calling for an OVERTHROW of the Government, it is a question of the Military removing (not killing or harming in the process) a DOMESTIC enemy of the Constitution, a MEMBER(s) OF the Government who is acting treasonous by disregarding, ignoring, or circumventing the Constitution. Our Government is based on the Constitution, people want it restored to reflect that fact, not overthrown. The only one "overthrowing" anything is obama and his cronies.

Again, the only ones committing treason is this administration and some members of the congress.

And no, I am not going to waste my time for the umpteenth time. listing all the facts, actions, and words directly from all the radicals currently running things, if you don't get it yet, you never will OR you agree with the agenda and feel threatened by the Freedom loving people of this country who cherish what it used to be..





[edit on 17-6-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]

Yeah, just as I thought..........

reply to post by CBS01


You needn't apologize to me. Opinions, we've all got 'em.

I just happened to disagree with yours...

reply to post by I_am_Spartacus


Obamabots? Really?

I beg to differ. Not even remotely a fan. But neither am I a fan of the military deciding for itself who should be in office, or not... Do some reading concerning the Praetorian Guard of Rome, and it's history... I think you'll maybe change your tune a trifle...

Military coups is exactly what the OP was describing. ...where, just for giggles, in the Constitution does it say that military coups are allowed? I must have missed that somewhere...

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by I_am_Spartacus

 

Obamabots? Really?

I beg to differ. Not even remotely a fan. But neither am I a fan of the military deciding for itself who should be in office, or not... Do some reading concerning the Praetorian Guard of Rome, and it's history... I think you'll maybe change your tune a trifle...

Military coups is exactly what the OP was describing. ...where, just for giggles, in the Constitution does it say that military coups are allowed? I must have missed that somewhere...

Its not a "coup" if they are removing traitors to the constitution, they are upholding their oath!!! A coup is where a military leader declares himself ruler and uses his troops to overthrow the government so he can insert himself. The scenario the OP envisions would not be an overthrow, it would be a restoration...HUGE difference!

[edit on 18-6-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]

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AMAZING! do you really have such childlike faith in the military?
Freakin' ASTOUNDING! You distrust everything "the government" says or does, but somehow the sacred military is not part of "the government"?
Should I call you milbots? Talk about nieve, unperceptive, ignorant of history ( as well as reality) and being a complete zombie!
Words simply cannot express how ridiculous and again, childlike this is!

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by LifeInDeath
Simple answer, there is NO legal case for the military to remove a President.

not even the oath of enlistment? isn't the oath of enlistment a legally binding thing?

The Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

The Constitution, to which this oath binds our military personnel, provides for the means by which a President can be removed from office. It also binds soldiers to obey the President, as he is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

(I'm not going to get into the fact that the last sentence of the oath is unconstitutional, even though it exists in federal law - that's an issue for another thread.)

Now, if soldiers receive orders that tell them to do something illegal, it is their responsibility to disobey those orders, though this gets into all sorts of tricky territory, of course. The "I was just following orders" defense does not hold up in an international War Crimes trial, if such ignoble orders should ever be given. Disobeying such orders will still land one in the brig, no doubt, unless a whole unit mutinies in protest...

Depending on what they do next (throw down their guns and refuse to fight or take up arms against their fellow soldiers), you might have an insurrection on your hands, depending on the size of the unit(s) involved.

So, what laws has Obama so grossly broken, what has he done to be tagged a domestic (or foreign?) threat, or what orders has he given that are so vile the only proper response is the most extreme of the options listed above even before the recourse of an Impeachment Trial is even tried? I'd really like to know what those could be and without the rhetoric and catchphrases that often pass for debate here. A concise list would be nice, if possible.

Whatever the case, overthrowing the President via the military is never strictly "legal" under U.S. law, there is no mechanism for that anywhere in our code. To do so is a coup d'etat and treason by its very nature. That is, of course, unless you win, because as the ancient saying goes, originated by Ovid, by way of Sir John Harington into English:

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

That's really the truth of such things.

[edit on 6/19/2010 by LifeInDeath]

this is not a good idea. what will happen after that. total chaos. If he truely has bad intentions sor this country, he will only destroy himself.

It's simple Admiral Mullins and the JAG needs to issue an arrest warrant and order that it is carried out.. The problems is we don't know where Mullen's loyalties lie and if it is with the American people and the constitution there might be others around him who the minutes he tries to sign the order kill him and blame it on some made up terrorist.

We are under the Emergency war powers so the military is in charge and Mullens is the top dog. Forget an attorney they don't know thier a** from a hole in the ground. We are dealing with a corporation whom we can't prove the principles are but most likely the Queen of England.

Bottom line is the military is also divided and has it's share of ignorance on the whole matter. But if Mullen's and enough commanders had the cajones it would not be a coup but a restoration of the Republic. This is what RAP claimed was going to happen but so far nothing.


[edit on 19-6-2010 by hawkiye]

reply to post by I_am_Spartacus


Traitors? According to who? Was there a trial? Impeachment? A recall election? If so, it's the law enforcement branch of govt. that is involved, not the military.

On their own hook, deciding to remove "traitors"? That is, my friend, the very definition of treason.

Originally posted by hawkiye
It's simple Admiral Mullins and the JAG needs to issue an arrest warrant and order that it is carried out.. The problems is we don't know where Mullen's loyalties lie and if it is with the American people and the constitution there might be others around him who the minutes he tries to sign the order kill him and blame it on some made up terrorist.

We are under the Emergency war powers so the military is in charge and Mullens is the top dog. Forget an attorney they don't know thier a** from a hole in the ground. We are dealing with a corporation whom we can't prove the principles are but most likely the Queen of England.

Bottom line is the military is also divided and has it's share of ignorance on the whole matter. But if Mullen's and enough commanders had the cajones it would not be a coup but a restoration of the Republic. This is what RAP claimed was going to happen but so far nothing.


[edit on 19-6-2010 by hawkiye]

EXACTLY!!!! This is the context of the "coup" all the supporters here are talking about, NOT a banana republic style coup.

reply to post by CBS01


He could try to evict the Constitution from the White House. This very scenario is in the works as I write.

A masterful stroke of state. Thank you to everyone that has made it possible.

Just a few words from members of obamas administration.

I know, you apologists won't believe it until obama himself steps up to the podium and announces he is a fascist/marxist .

It takes some deductive reasoning and critical thinking skills to take the words and actions of those who surround obama to equate it with a treasonous, subversive takeover of the Constitutional country as we knew it.


You can choose to "believe" it or not, the proof will be in the pudding when all is said and done. Which side are you going to be on?


Here are some of the better known marxists in this administration.

Obamas manufacturing czar, Ron Bloom.

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This is from Barack Obama's own book Dreams of My Father;
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," Obama wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The MARXIST professors and structural feminists."

Here he is saying it himself

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And some more of his quotes

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Mark Lloyd FCC "diversity" czar Praisnng Hugo Chavez's takeover of the media

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A couple from psycho Cass Sunstein, the Regulatory czar, maybe the most dangerous man in the administration.

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A few of countless form Van Jones

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Valerie Jarret, senior advisor to obama and one of the most corrupt politicans 2009

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Robert Creamer , who wrote "Stand up Straight, How the progressives can win" He is a convicted Felon, and very influential in writng the Healthcare bill.

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Saul Alinsky, obamas hero.

A pic showing the "president" teaching Alinsky Tactics

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For you who need a "hip" explanation of Alinsky ties

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Heres a good book to read to give you ALL the proof you need, if you choose to "believe it.

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272831718&sr=8-1

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www.aim.org...

And for those of you who still believe fascism is on the right and communism the left on our political spectrum read this and think really hard about it you will see how you were led to believe the myth. It may be more accurate describing the European system but here, anarchy is i=on the right, communism/socialism/fascism/etc are on the left

www.shtfplan.com...

Q: What is the difference between fascism and communism?... See More Answer: All of the answers below incorporate important elements that show similarities as well as differences between fascism and communism. However, it is important to keep in mind a few things. First, both communism and fascism are types of authoritarian rule, where the interests and freedoms of the individual are subordinated to those of the state, and quite frequently a powerful leader. Secondly, in many cases both fascist and communist rule are bolstered by a highly powerful military apparatus, as a way to stifle opposition. Thirdly, both types of government are statist, in that the central government has some degree of control over the economic means of production (as opposed to, say a free market, or laissez-faire economy as in the US), and also oftentimes social policy. However, there are also notable differences. National Socialism (NAZI party) tends to be driven by nationalistic or ethnic divisions. For example, Hitler's NAZI party used populist appeals to ethnic divisions in Germany- especially hatred towards Jews- as a way to gain popular support, whereas fascism places an emphasis on the state above all else, over and above kinship or race. Secondly, fascism has strong corporatist elements, where the government has significant control over private enterprise, but does not entirely co-opt it (as in, say, communism). The NAZIs, for example, considered themselves a "Third Way" between laissez-faire capitalism and socialism, in that rather than completely nationalizing industry and taking over the means of production, the government had a very powerful influence. Keep in mind a few things, however. There are corporatist elements in many countries that are not fascist, especially some of the East Asian democracies, notably South Korea. Secondly, many nations have strong central leadership and even a powerful autocrat in command of the government, but are neither communist nor fascist. Many political scientists argue about the extent to which generally accepted fascist and communist governments are truly fascist or communist. For example, many Italian parties in the post-Mussolini era have labeled themselves "communist", but few would claim that they share fundamental similarities with Soviet-style communism. For one, Soviet style communism completely subjugates political freedoms, thus making parties obsolete. How do you know when you "see" a fascist or communist government? It is hard to tell, and frequently labels can be misleading, but normally fascist governments have strong ties to the industrial sector without completely subjugating it to state control, while tending to focus on ethnic, nationalist divisions. Communist governments have strong central control over all means of production, but do not play off of nationalistic and ethnic divisions.

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continued...
Here are opinions:

* Very little actually. They were both totalitarian systems, that is they sought to control all aspects of the economic and cultural life of the country as a whole and of the individual citizen. In order to achieve this they both used a combination of populist enthusiasm built around a cult of personality for the leader, and sheer terror. Communism got started first but the Fascists learned from the Communist experience and put their methods into practice. Stalin and his henchmen then studied the Nazi methods and borrowed from their ideas. I think there were two significant differences. First that Fascism was nationalist, basing its ideology on the glory and superiority of one people over the others whereas Communism was, at least nominally, internationalist, claiming to seek to spread it's "benefits" to all peoples of the world. Second, whereas communism seized all private property in the name of the state and put all industrial and economic production under the direct control of the government, Fascism left farms and large industries in the hands of their owners and let them run them as they saw fit so long as they provided the output the government demanded. * The truth of the matter is that in actually ideology the differences between communism and fascism are very small. fascists are often mislabeled as "right wing" and anti-communists because during the rise of Stalin all ideas different from the main Moscow approved, line of communism were dumbed "right-wing." Trotsky, who was by no means a Nazi or conservative, was accused of trying to stage a Nazi coup and called a right winger by hardliner Stalinist after his fall from favor. Programs enacted by the Nazi party and Fascisti in Italy were, guaranteed employment for all citizens, confiscation of WWI profits, shared profits of labor; expanded old age pensions, communalization of department stores, out lawing of child labor, universal health care and anti smoking programs, to name a few. None of these programs can be called right wing or anti communist. Hitler himself said " We have endeavored to depart from the external, the superficial, endeavored to forget social origin, class, profession, fortune, education, capital, and everything that separates men, in order to reach that which bind them together." To a communist the struggle is international and as Marx put it "working men have no country" to fascists they said that the dreams of communism can be made INSIDE a country, and did not need to be an international struggle. That was the principle difference, as all communist regimes have embraced corporatism in some aspect in their history. Hitler and Mussolini both wanted to create Volksgemeinschaft or "peoples (workers) communities." Communism and fascism are two sides of the same coin, with fascism not being as controlling to private business as communism was but still very totalitarian. Keep in mind the Nazi party was called the National SOCIALIST party, if that is any indication of their true leanings.

and some more, I apologize if there are some duplicates.

The claim: No proof Barack Obama is a socialist

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The response:

Barack Obama Sr. (Dad)

*Communist who saw nothing wrong with government 'taxing 100%' so long as the people got benefits...
- Obama Sr. on socialism (Link)
- Overview of the paper (Link)
*Harvard educated economist
*Nairobi bureaucrat who advised government to 'redistribute' income through higher taxes
*Demonized corporations
*Abandoned Barack Obama Jr. when he was 2 years old to continue at Harvard (teaching son that ideology is more important than family)

Stanley Ann Dunham (Mom)

*Communist sympathizer
*Practiced 'critical theory' (aka Marxism)
*Influenced by Nietzsche and Freud
*Left Hawaii for Indonesia, Pakistan
*Attended a leftist church nicknamed the 'little red church' because of its Communist sympathies
*Left Barack Obama Jr.

Mentor

*Barack's grandparents introduced Barack Obama Jr. to poet and communist Frank Marshall Davis (Link)
*Davis becomes a mentor as young Barack struggled with abandonment by parents

College & Church

*Admittedly sought out 'Marxist' professors (Link)
*Admittedly attended 'socialist conferences' (Link)
*Began attending a Marxist church - led by pastor Jeremiah Wright (attended for 20 years) (Link)

Career

*Tragedy of the Warren Court: No redistributive change (Link)
*Voted for TARP (Link)
*$787 billion stimulus redistribution bill
*Healthcare bill admittedly about 'redistributing the wealth'
*Single Payer Healthcare proponent (Link)
*President Obama now also President of GM & Chrysler
*President Obama seizes control of insurance giant AIG
*President Obama is leading America to single payer healthcare
*President Obama seized control of Student Loan industry in order to 'cut out middle man'
*President Obama seizes control in massive land grabs
*Repeatedly vilifies 'the rich'
*Obama believes race problems can be solved through redistribution of wealth... he said "race is still an enormous factor in our society. But economics can overcome a lot of racial division."
*Trying to regulate the Internet via FCC
*Forces mortgage co's to cover people who aren't paying mortgage (Link)
*Extends unemployment benefits to 99 weeks (Link)
*Told Joe the plumber 'it's better when you spread things around' (Link)

Family, Friends, Advisors & Administration


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*Wife Michelle Obama said “The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”

*Jim Wallis, Obama's spiritual advisor & forced redistribution of wealth advocate

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*Van Jones, disgraced Green Jobs Czar & Communist

www.youtube.com...

*Ron Bloom, Manufacturing Czar & anti-free market

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*John Holdren, pro-redistribution of wealth

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*Andy Stern, SEIU President & redistribution of wealth fan

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*Anita Dunn, fan of Chairman Mao

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*Mark Lloyd, FCC 'Diversity Czar

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*Carol Browner, socialist

www.youtube.com...

www.examiner.com...


*Robert Creamer, socialist

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Robert McChesney

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Cass Sunstein

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all I hear are crickets...........

Our education system has bred people to believe this crap? That encouraging a MILITARY COUP is somehow beneficial to America?

GTFOH.