reply to post by virgom129
Check ynet.com it's the biggest Israeli newspaper, you'll find that it's mostly impartial regarding political stances, and so on..
Might as well check it from time to time, just to see the other side of things.
reply to post by deccal
I will probably some day.. Maybe when there's peace in the region
Nah, I'm kidding, I'm sure I'll go visit the rest of ATS eventually.. It's really big though.. Tons of forums..
I'm just really interested in what goes on here, what people think, and why.
I really do think that Israel is getting unfair treatment in the media, and I've opened a thread on it.
And I really do think most people just don't know exactly what goes on here.
But, yeah, I'll get out of here some day
It's just a topic that's close to my heart, you know..
reply to post by okbmd
Look, Israel is never well represented in the media. I've opened a topic www.abovetopsecret.com...
trying to explain how I
see it from my point of view. It's subjective, but everyone should find a part they can relate to..
The point is that some of these atrocities aren't what they seem. Or what they're made to look like.
Nothing is ever what it seems here.
There is hate, I won't deny it, there is a lot of anger also, on both sides. But in spite of all that IDF soldiers are brainwashed to never use their
weapon in an unfitting way- It's called the purity of the weapon and it's taught since the first day you get a gun.
We're also told to disobey orders that are illegal, like killing civilians.
When you're in combat.. Good people sometimes do bad things.. Either on purpose or not, out of fear or out of confusion, it doesn't matter, it
always looks the same- Evil Israeli soldiers kill innocent civilians.
When the truth is always different, and always more complex. Have you any idea what's it's like to fight within civilian population? When someone
walks out with a white flag and a gun underneath? Fighting an army that fights only using the dirtiest tricks? Never knowing what's going to pop up
next from around the corner? Does this person have a weapon? Is he really down or is he waiting for us to get closer? You have no idea the kind of
questions that go around in your head.
You're talking about 18-21 year olds... In the heat of battle and amidst confusion sometimes bad calls are made, wrong decisions, sometimes you
don't even know you've made the wrong decision, can you put yourself in their shoes for a moment?
And there is evil.. I won't say there isn't.. There are bad people in the army.
But they're not allowed to get away with it- If they're caught, they're punished, and if they're not.. Then that's just what it is.. Non of us
are perfect either.. I'm not even trying to say that the rest are saints.. I'm just saying- It's never as simple as it seems, or as it's written,
or most of the time as it's photographed, and edited, and shown..
I am Israeli, I am not subjective, there's no reason for you to take my word as the absolute truth. But the truth is somewhere in the middle, between
the way I see my country, and the way the media shows it.
Soldiers from a border guard training base were walking single file down the street, these are trainees, who had just turned 18, and have recently
finished school, it's probably their first 4-8 months in the army..
A driver sped up in front of them and hit 4 of them.
Was he trying to run them over? Why would he do something like that? What good could possibly come out of it? Why did he run? They wouldn't have shot
him down in the street, please trust me on this one, running only made the situation worse.
I don't know the answers to these questions. All I know is that they shouldn't have shot him, they should've let him run. The fact that someone did
and killed someone means someone is going to prison. It was a bad call, a really bad call. But does it mean they're all stone cold killers, motivated
only by their hate and will to see Palestinian blood on the streets? Can your put yourself in the shoes of that soldier? Barely 19, almost got run
over, the guy's running away, can you imagine the confusion?
And whoever it was that fired is going to jail. No doubt about it.
This is the only light I can shed on this matter.
P.S- sorry about the long explanation.