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Have I made a frelling DENT?

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posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 01:38 AM
reply to post by Subjective Truth

EIN (I like that abbreviation) and I are pretty much polar opposites. I judge that on his threads and posts throughout the past few months that I've read. I suppose I was just trying to stir something inside with the 'real enemy' comment. However, that would just prove all the crazy commie conspiracies true, 'Socialists are out to get you!'

As such our similarities are that we both despise tyranny, however EIN will take, what I consider, the 'old world' stance on tyranny...that of the governing body. I believe in the tyranny of the business owner, the tried and true enemy of the dreaded communist!

Just as EIN and his ilk believe that, if left unchecked, a government can become corrupt and tyrannical. I'm of the belief that, if left unchecked, a private business can become corrupt and tyrannical.

I would like to see more democratic socialism in the world. EIN would like more libertarianism. In his eyes, it seems, there is no society, there is only the individual. In my opinion, there are many individuals in society.

Has he made a dent? Not with me, I'm not going to change my views because I think we can do better using the constitution as a basis and a foundation for society and government, not a wall that cannot and should not be penetrated.

As society changes, as such, the government must change. We recognize that change through the elections we hold. Lately, it seems, society is changing faster than the government can, this is a problem. Do we change society or do we change government?

I listen to a lot of Michael Savage, his arguments claim to be on the basis of language, borders and culture. I agree with culture, we don't need to staunchly uphold our language and borders though. Before you rage all over me let me say something, WW2 supposedly brought upon the death of empires...that doesn't seem to be the case with America. We've continued and perpetuated this 19th century philosophy that right makes might and might makes right, we beat the NAZI's because of our righteous mission and thus, we should lead the world.

EIN would argue this is bad becuase we should be isolationists, leave other people alone and they should leave us alone. I would argue that we shouldn't impose our will on others but that we shouldn't be isolationists either. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, I just believe this is your perception.

If not for political differences I bet we could get along together quite well. Although, I'm not sure you'd fan my flames of narcissism by posting something quite like this in one of my threads.

posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 01:45 AM
reply to post by links234

I respect your views and to tell you the truth you are right on alot of things. There is always common ground because we all share common loves like family and freedom and health.

I do not like socialism or any ISM for that matter including corporatism.

I love liberty and our constitution. I feel the reason the world is in trouble is because of progressives. They want a oligarchy in this world. And we must not let that happen.

Hitler was a progressive and a union leader. He lead for the people to terrible ends. Many bad things come from good intentions. We must always look back to see our future it is the only way not to repeat.

[edit on 17-6-2010 by Subjective Truth]

[edit on 17-6-2010 by Subjective Truth]

posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 07:29 PM
THANKS everyone for replying.

This thread was pretty much the culmination of my ideals.

I could almost respond by just posting a link now to my different threads.

If after this time, anyone wants a specific response, I will respond. Government was formed for one thing and one thing only. TO PROTECT OUR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Anyone can argue and cuss or discuss other components. One thing can be assured, when the government owns or is partners with all the companies like BP, we will GET EXACTLY the treatment we are getting NOW!.

Kind of sneaky huh?

Oh well, next week I am going to try and start another company, hopefully the government or their whore partners do not crush me. I guess that is how things work in a SPECIAL CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT REGULATED society I guess.

In a Libertarian society, if someone like BP did something like this, I could have his frelling head above my courtroom for damaging my RIGHTS!

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 08:09 AM
reply to post by endisnighe

Read the Constitution a little closer my friend. We formed our government to do more than simply protect our freedoms (I give them a big FAIL on that!)
Here's the Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I think the cause of much of our current miseries lies within "promoting the general welfare". This has been the excuse to continually enlarge government and institute our current system of wealth redistribution vis-a-vis entitlement programs.
IMO, and perhaps yours, the true way to promote the general welfare is by having the freedom to pursue your goals without government interference or excessive taxation. Let's face it, not everyone can be a success but our current system rewards those who don't work but scream the loudest.
I know we agree America has lost it's way. There's little time left to correct the problems before there's no turning back. That's why we have to try all the harder now before there is no freedom left for our children to enjoy.
Keep up the good fight my friend, it ain't over yet. Not by a longshot!

[edit on 19-6-2010 by Asktheanimals]

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 09:30 AM
u made a dent with me. I come here to get my news especially stuff we wont ever hear on msm. Hats off to you for posting the news here.

Honestly if you even move one person or keep one individual informed, then you have made a difference.

Honestly, the majority of AMericans are super dumbed-down to a point were they dont get these topics.

So it is what it is. I feel your anger but its for naught. What ever is gonna happen, will happen regardless. I feel the best attitude is to prepare (perhaps purchase some acreage in the country) and grab your popcorn for the front row seats we have for the world stage.

Its all about to go down, everything seems to be slowly coming to a head.

Take a chill pill and relax. ALso remember that those that want a revolution, when they come to power, eventually they to become just as corrupt as the original powers that they revolted against. Its an endless cycle.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 09:40 AM
reply to post by endisnighe

Made a dent? Are you kidding me? This is more than a simple little fender bender were talking about, and brother, you're going to pay! I sure hope you have insurance!! Do you have a license to be free I wonder? Boy they let anyone be free nowadays, don't they?

These are my suggestions for titles to your next two posts:

A Collision Course with Freedom!


Harvey Dent: The Two Faces of Freedom

[edit on 19-6-2010 by Jean Paul Zodeaux]

posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 06:09 PM
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Harvey Dent-A synopse, a reclusive individual that was told that his domicile was to be removed to make way for a "freeway or a highway", or some other perception.

What if the nature of the problem was SO...........interweaved?

What if you could not dispense with the problem by burying it in the basement of the library?

Harry or Arthur Dent? It actually does not matter, the existential meanings are the same.

Time to wake up folks! Time to make a choice! Time to understand your responsibilities.

At what point do you take responsibility? At what point do you ask questions?

Nevermind, go back to sleep, let these folks handle it!

posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 06:33 PM
reply to post by endisnighe

Endisnighe it is always a pleasure to read your posts. Sometimes they are raw and filled with an underlying emotion that is seeking to burst out and others they are concise and just as passionate.

You are one of the few that are able to direct your emotions into your argument without letting it take over and dismantle what you are saying.

I will be waiting for that 200th post..if you haven't already done it that is.

posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:14 PM
reply to post by ownbestenemy

As I said, the endisnighe.

KK wanted to celebrate that I was gone, he or she got a little preoccupied on my message.

I have ONE more message to make.

I have NOT completely finished it. I do not know if I am going to include the ART of WAR in it. I am currently discussing getting THAT published.

Anyway, there is ONE more message yet to be told. I will still make comments, just not new threads.

I have written 199 to date, Everything that needs to be said was said. Except one thing. My position. That needs to be clarified.

Working on it. So many things going on right now though.

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