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If you liked B.P.'s oil spill, you'll love Chevron's Genocide in Ecuador

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posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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If the big shot oil tycoons do not STOP buying out, and crushing technologies that eliminate our need for oil, we better start searching for a DIFFERENT PLANET to live on, as we are certainly DESTROYING this one FAST!!!!

We, the common folk, wouldn't have to rely on oil if the CORRUPT oil tycoons who have only PROFIT and GREED on the their minds 24/7 would try to think about our planet and life itself for a CHANGE.




posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Shine71
If the big shot oil tycoons do not STOP buying out, and crushing technologies that eliminate our need for oil...!



Not including Tesla's papers, show me two examples of where the big shot oil tycoons bought out, and crushed technologies that would eliminate our need for oil.

Hoagland was pushing the N-machine decades ago, nothing came of it, I suppose the feds/tycoons bought the patent and killed the inventor?

"They suppressed the proof", won't be good enough.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:02 PM
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Jimmy Carter spearheaded a solar initiative during his presidency. One of the promises Ronald Reagan made to big oil was that he would get rid of solar energy, and that's exactly what he did.

Having said that, it isn't big oil that's the culprit; it's cheap oil. Every president since Nixon has insisted that America must break its addiction to foreign oil, and we the people have always responded with complete apathy.

Chevron and BP are very bad, but you and me are their partners in crime, 'cause it's our dollar that they're working for.

You wanna save the planet? Trade in your SUV for a Honda Fit.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 03:57 AM
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I've been to ecuador this May to volunteer. My father was an orphan in the 60's and adopted by an American contracter working in Ecuador. Despite my love for Ecuador, I had no idea until this May that people are on the brink of extinction in the Amazon region of Ecuador (in areas never operated by Ecuador's government owned petro Ecuador) I gave fruit and sang songs to the orphans in Ecuador. Only $9 can buy 50 orphans in Ecuador apples. I met the native tribes and talked to people about their love for the president of Ecuador (favored 60%) who has programs in place to help the under dogs of Ecuador as does his vice president who from a wheel chair, employs programs to aid the disabled.

If you've been to the Amazon region or seen the intensive care wards where children are dying, you know what I'm talking about. If you have bought into the Chevron propaganda that the government of Ecuador had anything to do with Chevron's dumping of over 300 million gallons of crude into the rainforest in Ecuador or the 700 billion gallon toxic disaster? You have been lied to. Or you are one of the people on Chevron's 280 billion dollar yearly profit payroll that uses social networking as 40 percent of it's PR strategy to silence the public.

My comments are missing from blog posts of The New York Times, The Rolling Stone and you-tube where I had posted positive reviews of the film Crude prior to boarding a plane to Ecuador to see for myself the sad truth in Ecuador. Chevron has a Columbian druglord set up in a mansion in the bay area for attempting to bribe the jude on the case. (true story) The press has been sued for siding with the truth. (including the film "Crude")

In Ecuador, people will use their dying breath to say the name of whom they say is solely responsible for their murder. Chevron. Shame on anyone who has the belly to call them liars. some sites:

truecostofchevron.com...
www.hotindienews.com...
www.sourcewatch.org...
www.youtube.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.washingtonpost.com...

articles.latimes.com...

chevrontoxico.com...

www.chevroninecuador.com...

www.goldmanprize.org...
www.pddnet.com...

www.vanityfair.com...



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by grassrootsgirl
I've been to ecuador this May to volunteer. My father was an orphan in the 60's and adopted by an American contracter working in Ecuador. Despite my love for Ecuador, I had no idea until this May that people are on the brink of extinction in the Amazon region of Ecuador (in areas never operated by Ecuador's government owned petro Ecuador) I gave fruit and sang songs to the orphans in Ecuador. Only $9 can buy 50 orphans in Ecuador apples. I met the native tribes and talked to people about their love for the president of Ecuador (favored 60%) who has programs in place to help the under dogs of Ecuador as does his vice president who from a wheel chair, employs programs to aid the disabled.

If you've been to the Amazon region or seen the intensive care wards where children are dying, you know what I'm talking about. If you have bought into the Chevron propaganda that the government of Ecuador had anything to do with Chevron's dumping of over 300 million gallons of crude into the rainforest in Ecuador or the 700 billion gallon toxic disaster? You have been lied to. Or you are one of the people on Chevron's 280 billion dollar yearly profit payroll that uses social networking as 40 percent of it's PR strategy to silence the public.

My comments are missing from blog posts of The New York Times, The Rolling Stone and you-tube where I had posted positive reviews of the film Crude prior to boarding a plane to Ecuador to see for myself the sad truth in Ecuador. Chevron has a Columbian druglord set up in a mansion in the bay area for attempting to bribe the jude on the case. (true story) The press has been sued for siding with the truth. (including the film "Crude")

In Ecuador, people will use their dying breath to say the name of whom they say is solely responsible for their murder. Chevron. Shame on anyone who has the belly to call them liars. some sites:



It is great to hear first-hand accounts of the truth behind this disaster. Your words honestly convey the passion you have for the truth to burn bright. Let's keep this message going and I applaud you.

Don't lose the passion - educate and evolve.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:40 AM
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100% not the fault of Ecuador's goverment is Chevron's dumping of over 300 million gallons of crude or the 700 billion gallon toxic disaster (30 times larger than the Exxon Valdez) in areas never operated by Ecuador's petro Ecuador where I went this May to volunteer and see for myself. Are you calling me a liar too as well as 60 minutes, the UN, UNICEF and the rest of the world with a working moral compass? Did you buy into Chevron's propaganda or do you work for them?



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:44 AM
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oops! sorry dudes for repeating or not replying correctly.
I'm still getting the hang of this website.



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by grassrootsgirl
reply to post by LarryLove
 


100% not the fault of Ecuador's goverment is Chevron's dumping of over 300 million gallons of crude or the 700 billion gallon toxic disaster (30 times larger than the Exxon Valdez) in areas never operated by Ecuador's petro Ecuador where I went this May to volunteer and see for myself. Are you calling me a liar too as well as 60 minutes, the UN, UNICEF and the rest of the world with a working moral compass? Did you buy into Chevron's propaganda or do you work for them?


Hey, hold up. I am supporting your post and cause. The problem with message boards is you are as good as the words you type and you have misread my post.

I have made a number of posts about this already.

Peace...

Chevron toxic water



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by grassrootsgirl
oops! sorry dudes for repeating or not replying correctly.
I'm still getting the hang of this website.


Got your message, sent one back. All good don't worry. Let's keep the message about Chevron going...



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 06:46 AM
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Here is some information from someone who has been to ecuador for anyone interested. thanks for letting me be part of the conversation and making a few mistakes guys


www.yelp.com...



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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Please not saying you are a liar, but you could just be on the lawfirms payroll or have a material interest in seeing this extortive lawsuit win for the plaintiffs.

How did you find this website? I see you just registered to post this?

I also have inside knowledge of the ecuador lawsuit, I know for instance from friends who visited the country and heard people of Quito the capital say that the local govt caused the mess in the forest bc they corrupt and where pocketing money instead



posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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Grassrootsgirl found this Web site because I informed her of this very conversation, and I totally vouch for her. She is not working for any lawyers and has no material interest, or involvement in, any lawsuit.

She just cares.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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My father was orphaned during the construction of the pipeline in Ecuador and brought to America in 1963. I am insterested in the outcome of the Chevron Ecuador trial for many reasons.

Reason #1 is that Ecuadorian natives are on the brink of total anihilation (genocide) in areas NEVER operated by petro Ecuador. I am a songwriter by trade, an American by birth and becuase I have a heart, a soul, a working moral compass, empathy, sympathy, I see the value of human life and becuase "I" do not work for Chevron, I side with the dying people in Ecuador against the company that left a 700 billion gallon toxic disaster (30 times the size of Exxon Valdez) larger, more horrific and with more malicious in intent than the BP spill.

I flew LACSA airlines this May to volunteer in Ecuador. I urge anyone interested in the truth to do the same. I posted a link to my review for LACSA airlines above. I hope it was OK to do that. I'm still getting used to this site. To that person on the thread that sides with Chevron against the orphans of Ecuador: Shame on you. I don't know how you live with yourself.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by grassrootsgirl
My father was orphaned during the construction of the pipeline in Ecuador and brought to America in 1963. I am insterested in the outcome of the Chevron Ecuador trial for many reasons.

Reason #1 is that Ecuadorian natives are on the brink of total anihilation (genocide) in areas NEVER operated by petro Ecuador. I am a songwriter by trade, an American by birth and becuase I have a heart, a soul, a working moral compass, empathy, sympathy, I see the value of human life and becuase "I" do not work for Chevron, I side with the dying people in Ecuador against the company that left a 700 billion gallon toxic disaster (30 times the size of Exxon Valdez) larger, more horrific and with more malicious in intent than the BP spill.

I flew LACSA airlines this May to volunteer in Ecuador. I urge anyone interested in the truth to do the same. I posted a link to my review for LACSA airlines above. I hope it was OK to do that. I'm still getting used to this site. To that person on the thread that sides with Chevron against the orphans of Ecuador: Shame on you. I don't know how you live with yourself.



That toxic oil spill that you are referring is caused by ineptitude and corruption. Oil is worth money no private oil company would allow such a massive leak/mess to happen(small leaks yes, just part of the extraction and transportation process), they could have taken that oil to market and sold it for billions, to maximize shareholder value and profits. But a poorly run and technically downtrodden State run oil company would allow such a thing to happen because 1) of corruption, 2) they dont care about maximizing the shareholders value since they done have them, they only are happy to have taken the free oil back easily and pocket the money amongst themselves how they could.

Also now you are inferring that Chevron is committing/ed genocide against the native people? Right because once the natives are eliminated for good, then they will be able to make more money? They are an oil company after all that is their primary goal to make money, so if it doesn't fit into that then its probably not true. Why would Chevron "maliciously" (like you put it) pollute? Why would Chevron want to commit genocide of the ecuador natives?

But you know who would benefit from the native people dying? Local Ecuadorean land developers, logging companies, the politicians who get kick backs from them, etc.... This is just a guess, I am not saying anyone is looking to commit "genocide" against the natives, or that thats whats even happening.

Also we all feel bad for the affected families and environment but some of us want the real responsible parties to be prosecuted and penalized not a scapegoat of a company just because they are rich and easier to find. There is my "I have a heart, a soul, a working moral compass, empathy, sympathy, I see the value of human life and becuase "I" do not work for Chevron, I side with the dying people in Ecuador"...... Go after the real responsible individuals even though its harder and they have less money.


[edit on 21-6-2010 by Desolate Cancer]



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Desolate Cancer


That toxic oil spill that you are referring is caused by ineptitude and corruption. Oil is worth money no private oil company would allow such a massive leak/mess to happen...


But that's exactly what did happen.




...But a poorly run and technically downtrodden State run oil company would allow such a thing to happen because...



Tell me, is BP a poorly run and technically downtrodden State run oil company? No? Well then I guess your whole argument has just been invalidated, now hasn't it.




Also now you are inferring that Chevron is committing/ed genocide against the native people?



No. Nobody is saying Chevron woke up one morning with this goal of exterminating the indigenous peoples of the Ecuadoran rain forest. The massive loss of human life, the oil-related illnesses, and the destruction of their civilization and culture are a natural by-product of Chevron's reckless and illegal behavior, as opposed to being the goal of that behavior.

If somebody kills you, you're still dead, regardless of whether their intention was to kill you or you were killed by their greed and negligence.




But you know who would benefit from the native people dying? Local Ecuadorean land developers, logging companies, the politicians who get kick backs from them, etc.... This is just a guess...


Yes, it is just a guess. You clearly do not know very much about the people and nation of Ecuador.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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I was going to add in my reply that the BP situation is vastly different as that was a deep water drilling operation at the forefront of its technology,much much more complicated that this on land oil project. So it is apples and oranges to compare the two situations.

Yes I do know the Ecuadorian people, what I can guarantee you about the Ecuadorian people is that they are like people all over the world. There are corrupt and power/money hungry individuals who do not value human life especially that of un productive, non-consumerist indigenous people.

I guess when things go to trial we will see who is right (maybe), you and I are just a couple of ats members arguing over something that neither one, has first hand knowledge of, only biased hearsay information from people who have ulterior motives for saying and arguing the way they are.

The only thing I think we can agree on is that the sooner we find viable alternative to oil for energy the better off EVERYONE in world will be.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Desolate Cancer

Yes I do know the Ecuadorian people...


No, you really don't.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 08:38 PM
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You know what they want to use the money for if they win? They'd like to try and rebuild the rain forest. Given that a huge percentage of our breathable air comes from rain forests, this is something the whole world should be chipping in to pay for.

It's too important to let it hinge on whether one legal case is won or lost.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 09:58 PM
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Hey I agree, so make the guilty parties pay, and those parties are former Ecuadorian govt officials and cronies.

Why should Chevron/Texaco have to pay for the repairs? What just because they where in that part of the world, working those wells efficiently, then pushed out by corrupt/socialist/fascist Ecuadorian govt ministers/cronies ?

Or maybe its because from what you are insinuating Chevron should have to pay for someone else mess because the plaintiffs have such "noble" intentions of how to use the money (well dont we all)? Well except the lawyers/marketers who stand to make a fortune off of this.

Or because they are a supposedly "evil" faceless oil corporation, or because they are so rich so why not make them pay? (I mean that is how socialism works right?) This lawsuit is nothing but marketing, it is marketing by the plaintiffs lawyers trying to play it off like this big bad company did all this damage to these "people of the earth", when the "very possible fact" (I say possible because like I said we really don't know the truth) is that the best thing that could have happened to these people is if Chevron had been allowed to stay, since the damage happened AFTER they left.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by Desolate Cancer(I say possible because like I said we really don't know the truth)


No Sir, you don't know the truth. I see you making a whole lot of assumptions and I see you speculating a whole lot, basically concocting some type of hypothetical situation in which Chevron might not be guilty and Chevron's victims are somehow to blame for their own plight.

This is very disingenuous of you, but I do at least give you some credit for admitting that you don't know what you're talking about.

It is a total cop-out for you to say "Hey, none of us knows what really happened," and in taking that unsupportable position, you are engaging in the same type of obfuscation practiced by Chevron's legal and public relations teams.

My friend Grassrootsgirl, who is also posting messages in this thread, is the grand-daughter of a Texaco employee who was there in Ecuador in the early 1960s and witnessed the destruction firsthand. He knew exactly who was to blame, and when he saw how many orphans his employer had made, he resolved to save a couple by adopting them.

One of those orphans was her father.

So while you've admitted that you're talking out of your ass, you can not say the same for Grassrootsgirl and me. Our information comes straight from the horse's mouth.

Before you respond with more of your fantasies and speculations and made-up scenarios in which Chevron is some wonderful, virtuous entity being cruelly exploited by greedy South Americans, please consider the following:

The problem with playing Devil's Advocate is that sometimes you really are helping the Devil.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by flightsuit]



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