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BP blew the rig to help obama push thru Cap & Trade?

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posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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So my theory, probably discussed by someone else, some other time, is that BP blew the oil well because they and obama knew it would be the only way to push through Cap & Trade. BP and Enron helped write the first few attempts at C&T and stands to make a fortune from it. I think his speech tonight shows this possibility to be better than 70%

Obama criticizes BP to make it look like they did wrong and that he cares, all the while giggling behind the scenes because they all stand to gain from the Cap & Trade BS.

Obama plans on centering his speech tonight around C&T.

Here are some links, showing the BP hand in C&T. Put that together with the whole obama,CCX,Goldman Sachs, etc of crime inc that Beck has been talking about, and it all seems plausible.

www.theworldsprophecy.com...

biggovernment.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.freerepublic.com...


[edit on 15-6-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]

[edit on 15-6-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]




posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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I don't think its the reason they did it
but I bet they are not going to let a good crisis go to waste
Fand S
in hopes the peeps will see the politics behind this mess
and
the disaster that lurks in that pile of MOO

republicans prevented the Liability cap the BP labours under from being removed
(labours under)....sarcaszm



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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We have discussed this possibility a few times.

Cap and Trade is a huge fraud, and it's implications are global and devastating to the normal population everywhere.

A global Tax on everyone ???

It is sure a distinct possibility that Carbon Caps are going to be pushed through; but we will have to wait and see.

I consider the Carbon Tax our worst enemy at the current moment. It's the actual mechanism to create a global government (that can ENFORCE it's regulations).

Right now the UN cannot enforce much anything unless the security council agrees on it.

If all nations agree to a Carbon Tax, that means that each nation's own government will individually enforce this tax. And through a coordinating body they will actually in effect have a global agency that calls the shots everywhere.

It's a real nightmare scenario thats for sure.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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just listening to the radio:
GCN

kablama is to make a speech about thanks to the oil industry
now we have
cap'n trade, carbon taxes, and other draconian measures.
you must have less so the government can have more.
Having less money will save you.
just like they tell you in church just before they pass the collection plate


Should be shooting his beak off shortly on that subject



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 07:44 PM
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Some more "evidence" to make the case plausible. Absolutely sickening these scumbags are. Obama has played everyone, including those who thought they already knew what kind of a POS he was. Obama is a marxist on the take, using the ideology for purpose of control AND GREED (the part I didn't even see before, I thought he was just about power and ideology at first), just like most of the rest of them throughout history.

www.freerepublic.com...

www.drudgereport.com...



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 08:46 PM
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This is un-ethical BS
and should be stopped - these people have no-shame in themselves - these are murderous people without a hint of selflessness in there - are these people that selfish to do such a thing.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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www.washingtonexaminer.com...


As BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil rig was sinking on April 22, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., was on the phone with allies in his push for climate legislation, telling them he would soon roll out the Senate climate bill with the support of the utility industry and three oil companies — including BP, according to the Washington Post.


It is quite possible. BP is a strong supporter of cap and trade. I wonder how much more profit they gain from it.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 04:49 PM
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Alternative energies wont even do much to reduce our use of crude oil as virtually every product we buy and walk on (carpet, linoleum... SHOES) and eat off off (formica, etc), and so on that uses plastics is made from oil. But Obama doesn't even bring that up...

[edit on 16-6-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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If they legalized hemp again in the US you wouldn't have that issue one bit.. Oh riiight, Dupont was one of the the biggest players who advocated the illegalization of hemp. Hemp can be used to replace the huge majority of petroleum products and be biodegradable. Their scare tactics are just that.

Edit:

That being said, I'm 10000% against cap and trade.

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posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 05:08 PM
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It can help a lot of things, but not a huge majority of the high quality plastics & foams, adhesives & paints & epoxy products. You can't build roads with hemp that I've ever seen.

Even bigger: you can't replace the SOLVENTS we get from it. Then there's propane & butane. And so on. Virtually everything we use in the modern world is made from crude, and the abundance of it was what supports the global economy. The more we could try to get away from it, the closer we'd get to never ending economic despair. And then there's the gasoline / diesel issue.

That being said: I support a hemp economy 10,000%!!!



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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I consider the Carbon Tax our worst enemy at the current moment. It's the actual mechanism to create a global government (that can ENFORCE it's regulations).


Your going down the right road so let me read you the signs.

Goverments have proved that they can not be trusted to keep a cap on borrowing so the zionists and IMF want to go directly to the people to get it's money and goverments will all be force to go along with 'The New Deal' else they will not get the loans from the IMF and will be singled out in much the same way as is happening with Iran.

Five years ago i laughed when i first heard the term personal carbon tax and ten years ago when i heard the term Amero but i can admit when i'm wrong and it all starting to make perfect economic sence.

Maybe they will engineer this crisis and blame the economic meltodown on the oil leak, i don't know but i do know where these zionists want us to be in a few years time and this is far too much of a convinent to be just another accident.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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It can help a lot of things, but not a huge majority of the high quality plastics & foams, adhesives & paints & epoxy products. You can't build roads with hemp that I've ever seen.


What's wrong with the hemp plastics. If you're questioning the durability factor you'd be wrong. There are hundreds of other ways to get your industrial strength adhesives as well.

Here's a prime example

Non petroleum based industrial adhesive

"Green Facts
Zero VOC's
Non-petroleum based
Exceeds all CA Standards
Non Toxic
Solvent free
No odor
No Prop 65 listed materials
UV resistant
Earns LEED & NAHB Green Building Points"

Not made by hemp but also not made by petroleum either. My point is; hemp can replace the majority of the petroleum based products. The ones that cant can via using other non petroleum products.




Even bigger: you can't replace the SOLVENTS we get from it. Then there's propane & butane. And so on. Virtually everything we use in the modern world is made from crude, and the abundance of it was what supports the global economy. The more we could try to get away from it, the closer we'd get to never ending economic despair. And then there's the gasoline / diesel issue.


Have you heard of biofuels?

For every fear you've mentioned, there is a better solution that is better economically, better for the environment and human health.

I'm sure you've heard of biopropane..


Incase you have not


www.technologyreview.com...



That being said: I support a hemp economy 10,000%!!!


Not sure if this is sarcasm or not..



[edit on 16-6-2010 by disfugured]



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by disfugured
What's wrong with the hemp plastics. If you're questioning the durability factor you'd be wrong. There are hundreds of other ways to get your industrial strength adhesives as well.


Hundreds? Are you speaking this out of optimism, or do you have some massive data behind that claim?


Here's a prime example

Non petroleum based industrial adhesive


Wow cool banner method they used.

Interesting product, made with silanes:
en.wikipedia.org...

PRICEY tho!



My point is; hemp can replace the majority of the petroleum based products. The ones that cant can via using other non petroleum products.


Majority is a big word to use.

If there is some resource website(s) that chronicles everything about this, which there should be since this is so deeply pivotal to the green movement, I'd be happy to look at it.

Especially important are replacing polycarbonate, polyethylene, polystyrene, acrylic, teflon, nylon, etc.


Have you heard of biofuels?


Yeah, and food prices have something like almost doubled during the green push for biofuels over the past 10 years. Food prices almost double, yet less than 10% of petro fuel have been supplemented. Then we're supposed to convert massive food croplands over to grow enough hemp on top of that to replace etc et al? That would be economic suicide.

Then there's still the task of replacing tar and asphalt. Run the car on biofuels, but we still need asphalt to drive on. Attempt to replace all asphalt road construction with concrete, and now how where are we going to get enough concrete to build buildings?

Petroleum is so deeply ingrained into every aspects of our economies and lives its nearly unfathomable.

Now that doesn't mean give up working towards a better future. But we have to be realistic here.

All of this is proof that Obama's energy agenda has virtually nothing to do with the environment, and instead something far more sinister.


I'm sure you've heard of biopropane..


That's a new one also. Pretty cool, but it doesn't solve the food crisis, it only adds to it.

Besides, LP Gas for driving forklifts and the like have other fuels such as butane mixed into them for proper performance. Also from your article:

Propane, which is currently made from petroleum, has a higher energy density than ethanol, and although it is often used in its gaseous form, it's the cleanest-burning liquid fuel.


I will say that I'd much rather run my gas grill on that corn biopropane. Although if it costs twice as much then I don't know (I'm not saying it is, I don't know).





That being said: I support a hemp economy 10,000%!!!


Not sure if this is sarcasm or not..


No I meant that. I can't respect any environmentalist who doesn't have a hemp economy as their primary action item. Or at least decriminalizing industrial hemp (for starters) so that people like the Lakota Native American's can grow it on their otherwise useless land. There are in fact tracts of land where hemp will grow where corn will not, but that doesn't mean we can replace virtually all of oil with it either.

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posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 11:02 PM
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Hundreds? Are you speaking this out of optimism, or do you have some massive data behind that claim?


I guess I should have used the word 'many' rather than hundreds so I don't have to sit here and link hundreds for you. For that I apologize.



Wow cool banner method they used.


You liked that did ya.



Interesting product, made with silanes:


Could you elaborate please?

My point is.. its not from a petroleum product. aminosilanes is also in many shampoo's, conditioners, lotions, glass, used to bond genetics and in nano technologies. Are you hinting that its causes cancer or something? Its used in cancer studies and new treatments due to its elctro static charge. What is your concern with aminosilanes?

This could easily replace the petroleum used when paving roads.

BioBitumen that can be made from; sugar, natural rubber (latex), tree resins, gum rosins, lignin, cellulose and edible vegetable oils and materials such as molasses waste, palm, coconut, peanut, canola, oils and potato and rice starches.

www.ecopave.com.au...

A couple more non petroleum based adhesives

www.olympic-adhesives.com...
www.sciencedaily.com...





Majority is a big word to use.


Well, when you include carpet, clothing, medicine, food source, fuel(s), plastics, fibers, ropes, chiars, tables, shoes, skin products, flooring, tents, blinds, curtains, paper.. I think its safe to say that hemp can replace the majority of the petroleum products. As I mentioned, what cant be replaced by hemp, there are many other substances that can be used to replace petroleum products.




If there is some resource website(s) that chronicles everything about this, which there should be since this is so deeply pivotal to the green movement, I'd be happy to look at it.

Especially important are replacing polycarbonate, polyethylene, polystyrene, acrylic, teflon, nylon, etc.


You want to find a substitute for the poly family because of the bisphenol content anyways. So what could be as effective; I'm not sure but I do know it originates for a non renewable resourse and at one point or another these products will have to be replaced by something. Some of the poly's can be replaced with hemp, rubber, glass and crystal.




Yeah, and food prices have something like almost doubled during the green push for biofuels over the past 10 years. Food prices almost double, yet less than 10% of petro fuel have been supplemented. Then we're supposed to convert massive food croplands over to grow enough hemp on top of that to replace etc et al? That would be economic suicide.


Thats if you use a food source like corn. Use hemp rather than corn and it dosn't effect food prices nearly as much. Whole different market. You don't need to sacrifice prime crop land to grow hemp. Hemp can be utilizing much land that otherwise couldn't be used for crops. Also, fuel prices including Oil have gone up for other reasons like market manipulation. It wopuld create many more jobs or at the very least replace all the oil jobs because hemp is the most versitille natural product on this planet that can be utilized for so many things. Your not just getting fuel with hemp, you're getting cloths, plastics, lubricants, lotions.. the works. You would be utilizing the most space per acre than any other product.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 01:04 AM
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Before I make a huge post I'd like to point out that in context of my first response in this thread, which was on topic, all of the things you're saying is what Obama should have been saying if his agenda was nothing more than what he tried to make it sound like.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that I'm totally anti-'green' for taking a realist position.

That is a cool banner. Even using the video editing software I'm real decent at I'd have a hell of a time trying to recreate it.

I wasn't even implying anything negative about silanes. I don't know why you thought that.


Bitumen made using the GEO320 MRH binder technology can now be manufactured using raw materials such as i.e., sugar, natural rubber (latex), tree resins, gum rosins, lignin, cellulose and edible vegetable oils and materials such as molasses waste, palm, coconut, peanut, canola, oils and potato and rice starches. www.ecopave.com.au...

Interesting... but it sounds awful BIODEGRADABLE.

We'll have to wait to see some field trials results on all of that. It has to endure intense forces:

According to the AASHO Road Test, heavily loaded trucks can do more than 10,000 times the damage done by a normal passenger car. Tax rates for trucks are higher than those for cars in most countries for this reason, though they are not levied in proportion to the damage done.
en.wikipedia.org...


Then we have to get into economics:

Today, 96% of all paved roads and streets in the U.S. - almost two million miles - are surfaced with asphalt. Almost all paving asphalt used today is obtained by processing crude oils. inventors.about.com...


First you have to account for how much it costs to install any given stretch of road, and then you have to determine how much more often you have repair and then replace said section of road.

Trials must be crazy to attempt. You have all different climates that come with their own challenges. Like up north in Michigan the huge salt plow trucks already have obscene replacement rates for the best asphalt concoctions they've got. Then, during the summer up there the humidity is about the same as down here in Florida.

Biodegradability also has major effects on adhesives, and the more things fail and you have to redo and replace the less economically smart it is. And believe you me, I've done all types of construction and without a doubt it's far easier to build something from scratch than it is to go in and 'fix other peoples mistakes' and 'crusty old ick'. The advantage with remodeling things is you save on costs, but time is the killer. If you keep redoing the same thing over 2x as much you're losing big time.

The durability factor is key in anything else you could list, as well as abundance. A major part in my gripe about Obama is he isn't telling people to at least buy quality products, oil based that is.

Anyways, to clarify: if essentially all of these proposed bioproducts aren't nearly as durable, cheap to produce and abundant (in particular without offsetting other demanded supplies, not just food) then prepare for one massive lowering of living standards world wide. You can actually end up with more waste, and when you pack it into a landfill it wont be disappearing all too much quicker. And bet that you can get 'natural' products that put off highly toxic black smoke fumes if you attempted to burn them.

I'll repeat that improvements can be made, but we will NEVER get completely off oil or anywhere even near it. If Obama says we can he's lying, and if he doesn't rally us to do as I've been saying then he's not even concerned about the environment anywhere near his true agenda.

Hemp...

Have there been any studies on how much currently 'useless' land there is that can be used for hemp, and then just what kind of impact that much hemp would have on anything like our discussion here?



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 02:56 AM
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I wasn't even implying anything negative about silanes. I don't know why you thought that.


I wasn't sure because you didn't elaborate on anything other than a direct and real short comment. Threw me off.

I understand all your concerns. I'm just stating that if we don't look at other ways, we'll always be dependant on oil which keeps us vulnerable to the major influence the Oil corporations have over us all. I'm also not suggesting we halt crude oil production over night.

Why not recycle all the used tires in the world and pave new roads with them. They've done a stretch near Vancouver in Canada and has held up far greater than the conventional asphalt. It seems to have that flexability to withstand the expansion and contraction of the seasons and holds up well to the salt water form the ocean.

As far as living standards are concerned; I'm not suggetsing to halt Oil production over night but rather in stages. Slowly cut the worlds lust for it by introducing hemp, and many petroleum free products and ideas.




Have there been any studies on how much currently 'useless' land there is that can be used for hemp, and then just what kind of impact that much hemp would have on anything like our discussion here?


If you come up to Canada you'll see alot, especially in the northern regions. Crops dont grow well in the interior part of BC but if you've ever made a trip there, hemp/marijuana plants grow all over the sides of mountains. Hemp also tetoxifies the land/dirt it grows in. Make crops of hemp over old landfills where nothing else will grow. Help pass new laws where industrial farmers have to plant a certain ratio of food crop with their hemp crops. There is also so many other alternatives for energy. The only reason why we are not seeing them is because of the supression, corruption and ignorance of tptb. Hydrocars do exist and its a shame its not marketed yet.

Well some are starting to finally.



Riversimple said the prototype did the equivalent of 300 miles per gallon and had a maximum speed of 50 mph (80km/h).


news.bbc.co.uk...

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posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 03:26 AM
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I have been thinking this the hole time. I think we need a 3rd party to determine what happened to the rig/well.




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