would you sell YOUR soul for your children?

reply to post by Stewie


unless that juggler was under the influence..

reply to post by Dr Slim

No problem - I guess it's international.
It's like one could understand working class people living under $1 a day selling their kids into the current problem of global human trafficking, and then some of these fundamentalist groups who have fairly good lives, reject their own kids (and I've seen statements to the effect on ATS).
Makes me mad too - there's a lot of double speak about "children", I guess that's what I wanted to highlight.
I've seen parents disown and break off contact with kids - and it's not just the Amish, or tribes or whatever - it's mainstream religious people!

The same people who say "Oh no", we can't have porn or this and that in society because: "Think of the poor children" - and then they hurt their own kids so badly!
So, I think we're on the same page.

reply to post by Dr Slim

Tell that to the judge at your DWI hearing....

reply to post by halfoldman


i hope so, you're a worthy opponent, and stumped me pretty early on, i'm not usually in the mood to apologise, but i had no choice, there was nowhere else to go

reply to post by Dr Slim


No because I don't believe anything positive can ever be truely gained by agreement with the devil. It might appear to be positive, but it would never end up positive.

"would you sell your soul to guarantee their success and hapiness?"

No.

Wouldn't you be robbing them of real life experiences and discovering these things on their own. There is so much character building within struggling. It would be a huge disservice to children to answer "yes"!
You have now screwed yourself and your kids...

Hypothetically.

reply to post by jeh2324


but those experiences only build up to what you could give them by selling your soul.

You can't sell your soul..."There is only One Soul, One Being, One Essence. Some of you call this “God.” This Single Essence “individuates” Itself as Everything In The Universe-in other words, All That Is. This includes all the sentient beings, or what you have chosen to call souls." So “God” is every soul that is now, ever was, and ever will be.

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I do not have human children, but i do have a canine child..
i think another poster hit the nail on the head when he said that the child needs to experience everything this world has to offer, the ups and the downs together.i would not hinder thier growing process by denying them these life lessons..so no i would NOT sell my soul in that instance or any other circumstance.


~meathead

on a side note, dr slim i appreciate all the hard work you put into your avatar, but for some reason it gives me a headache flashing in the side of the screen and i find my self speed reading your posts so i can quickly scroll the avatar out of view, not asking you to change it for me but i do find it very distracting i wonder how others feel?

reply to post by Mike Stivic


i ignore all avatars lol, and sigs personally.

reply to post by Dr Slim


Those experiences are the purpose of life...

It doesnt work that way, but if it did then yes I would gladly sacrifice my soul to ensure the souls of my children.

reply to post by jeh2324


To guarantee their success ect, is not correct either because what one person see's as success another might find as a failure.

reply to post by Mike Stivic

Good point.
As I intimated (somewhat sarcastically) earlier, for religious people who believe literally in hell and God:
The fear of hell is part of the parental toolkit. In religion parental authority is just under God's.
So selling your soul for them is robbing them of responsibility, limits your manipulative power and will ruin them in this life.

(So if one can sell one's soul for them, which is not theologically sound, it would be best not to tell them.)

It's kinda unfair, because many Christians believe in ancestral curses according to Leviticus, but you cannot curse your ancestors back for some tit-for-tat!

What a question!!

This is how i view it. I have a child. You say sell MY soul for my child...the answer is YES. In fact Ill take it a step further. I had a discussion like this last year with a group of "friends". We have all known each other growing up in boarding school. So we met up for a mini get together, 7 of us guys.

We all work for differing employers in a round about sort of way. But we all came to the same conclusion as we all have a least one child.

Would you kill someone, this could be anyone from a stranger to someone you know from a local cleaner to a local gov official, to keep your Child safe and alive. We all laughed at this. The answer was without a doubt and no hesitation YES.

I know that I would do anything for my child.

Put it this way, if people can join the Army and kill enemies or torture enemies for their "country", or a policeman can shoot someone for stealing some diamonds from a shop or robbing a bit of cash from a bank imagine what someone would do for their child. Limitlessness possibilities. It would obviously have to be a situation where something drastic was needed.

Originally posted by Dr Slim
if you ask a lot of people if they would sell their soul to the devil, their answer is usually no, an eternity in hell? i think i'll pass, no matter what material objects and artificial talents they will be given in the small time they have on earth.

but what if it was for your children? would you sell your soul to guarantee their success and hapiness?

i'm just curious since i don't have in children of my own at this time in my life, i just want to know how strong the bond is between parent and child.

I love my kids to death. We definitely have a very deep bond. I would gladly give up my life, if it came down to it, for their safety. I would not, under any circumstances sell my soul for them to attain something as fleeting as success and happiness.

What is success anyway? How would they benefit from given success vs. earned success. How happy would that make them? Or, to ask it another way, if everything is given to you, how much do you appreciate it? If there's a lack of appreciation, then does it make you happy?

I actually believe that given success is child abuse. It is imposing your own wishes on their life. That is not love, that is slavery.

One last statement - Why do you equate a parent ensuring success and happiness with "how strong the bond is between parent and child"?

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by jeh2324

 

To guarantee their success ect, is not correct either because what one person see's as success another might find as a failure.

What? That's not my quote. But it doesn't matter, you have no soul...

I sold my soul when I divorced the father of my children, but not in the way you think.

I sold my soul to myself, to be sufficient enough to work, and provide every necessity they would ever need.

I worked my rear off, for years, and all my children have turned out fine, because they watched me work so hard.

No contract with God, or the Devil, could have helped me accomplish what I did, for myself, and my children!

Although my beliefs are based on sceintific reasoning, at this point I do not want to have children (more from choice that from sitution) . For those who have read my earlier posts on this topic of dicussion my reasons are not based on the world that my immediate progeny will inherit, they are instead based on the world that my grandchildren will live in.

I can trace my personal family history back on my fathers side to my great grandfather who immigrated with his two brothers to the 'new world' during the Irish potatoe famine in the late 1800's'. Before that my family history goes back millenia on both sides to the early days of the first Romans trying to conquer the Celts under the leadership of a young Julius Ceasar.

There are 'new' monuments built by my ancestors that date back 1000+ years.

Would I sell my soul for my childrens future?

Absolutely.

Our history in the western world is based upon the repeated sacrifices of our ancestors to forgo personal gain in the hopes that thier children may enjoy a higher standard/quality of living then they did . My sole hope in this circular rat race is that I might someday raise a child that can not only sucessfully navigate their world but also triuimph in it.

Sadly given the current climate such a child would be taken away due to inappropriate teachings/studies (and probably rightfully so).

I do not mean to come across as negative (although many of my post may seem that way); I have great hopes for future generations of our species. My main concern is that we (or they) can see beyond the designs of the select few who are trying to continue a future of personal gain and realize the true potential of the human race in all its glory.

As a people/species left alone we exemplify the ideals of peace and harmony. It is only through our leaders that there is strife and discord. There is no need to look beyond the aid that is innocently sent to those in need for evidence of this...People around the world will donate BILLIONS of dollars to help those in need during times of disaster.

It is only when our governments get involved that things get difficult. All because some wish to profit from a given situation.

Would I sell my soul for my children?

If it could bring about the type of world we all know is possible...?

One hundred times yes and more.

I would gladly suffer for eternity knowing that once and for all our speicies had progressed beyond such meaningless distinctions as we see now.



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reply to post by Dr Slim


I would not sell my soul to Satan in the case you are proposing. I would do everything in my power to help them succeed in life without that kind of weak deal. I would however suffer eternal damnation to save my children's souls. If that was the deal, either you all suffer or just you, as a man thinking in terms of earthy experience, I would.