Originally posted by Freenrgy2
Originally posted by crash override
i work with somebody that goes there and he said when you "join" they ask for W-2's and they tell you how much to give. I asked if he still goes
there and he said yes. i guess the old saying goes "you can buy your way into heaven"
No church has the right to ask for your W-2. Tell him to run away from that blasphamous, heretical dwelling as fast as he can.
A few years ago my wife was discussing going to church -- if only for our two kids to have some sort of "ethical environment"
It was NOT an evangelical church -- but they also asked for our tax returns -- I suppose to make sure they knew if we were "tithing."
Suffice to say, I won that debate: No to church.
>> I used to have the opinion "live and let live." But I get the felling now, it's like leaving oily rags in a huge pile -- eventually some spark
is going to use that to burn down your house.
I know that Atheists are accused sometimes of being "evangelical" of their own "non-religion" -- but that's usually by people who might have been
bullies who felt offended by someone saying "stop punching me in the face." You only feel the presence by the few places in our country where the
pressure of Christian dominionists is absent.
But as you might have noticed -- at least THOSE PAYING ATTENTION; the takeover of this country started with the Evangelical churches. I've talked to
some Baptists who said that some of these NeoCon characters would get into churches, and start talking about the sins of abortion and the like, and
basically would cause so much problems for the head of the establishment about ending this sin or that, that the church leaders would leave. In their
place, would step people on a mission.
It's not just random and it's not just accidental -- there was a consorted effort to take over these groups around the Reagan era. He traded "no
tax on churches" for support of his pro-corporate policies.
Take a quick google search of "defrocked" religious leaders and CONSERVATIVE politicians -- even around the world. You will find a disturbing
pattern of "freaky-ness" and a pro-Corporate preaching style.
Any closed, unquestioned, and powerful group is going to promote the "freaks." The Catholic church isn't the only one -- it's human nature. Say
you are a Molester of some sort -- and you've got Candidate A and Candidate B to pick as the new leader. A Molester, crook, or what-not is going to
pick Candidate A if that's the guy who last let a Bishop who molested 5,000 deaf kids off the hook. Maybe that's how the votes went to vote up the
Bishops to the Cardinals, or the Priests to the Bishops. Like a fish -- it rots from the head down.
The Mobsters only trust people with blood on their hands.
>> So, not only the problem is a Religion -- it's just ANY system that pushes Doctrine that MUST NOT BE QUESTIONED, and has leaders with authority
with no checks and balances and who are not required to be transparent. If you have a school board, or an election committee, or a Board of Directors
-- if there is nobody who can challenge them or have oversight, they become corrupt over time.
Absolute Power does NOT corrupt Absolutely -- every individual -- it's only the corrupt who over time, get into a position of Absolute Power.
>> Anyway, Religions got merged with "Free Market" group think from the Chicago School of Economics, and Trickle Down and Kiss Up has taken root in
this country. We've only got police looking at petty crimes and pot smokers while nuclear weapons go missing and trillions go poof on Wall Street. We
can't fix the Gulf Problem because we allowed a company to cause a problem that CANNOT BE fixed because they never invested time and energy in
preventing it -- it was cheaper to hire people to slam Green Peace and make fun of hippies.
We keep taking lessons about morality from people who have failed the test and they get to tell us that the Good Guys are the Bad Guys.