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Originally posted by snowflake_obsidian
reply to post by SantaClaus
Isn't that basically agnosticism then?
Originally posted by Wang Tang
reply to post by JesusisTruth
No christians can post too this is a good chance for debate.
Here is the difference between me and you. I don't listen to gansta rap or go around calling girls hoes or fling stones at people's heads, and I don't need God to keep me away from those things. As a Christian, I was more exclusive because I knew that spending time with non-Christians would have a bad influence on me. I still spent a lot of time with non-Christians, but I was careful with what I did with them. Now, as someone who is not Christian, I accept people of all races and all religions. I don't have to feel guilty for not trying to convert every person I meet to Christianity.
When I was Christian, I would accept all people, but not for the sake of friendship, it would be for the sake of trying to bring Christ to them. Then when I can't get them to convert, I would feel like I'm not doing well enough.
Then I realized I don't need to use Jesus as an excuse to love people. Converting people to Christianity doesn't have to be the aim of me loving people. I want to love people because that is the way I would want people to treat me. Jesus doesn't have to be involved in that.
That's because God has written His moral code into ALL men's hearts. But, morality will not save a man, our works are filthy rags to God. It's not what I have done, but what Christ has already done and my faith in Him.
Originally posted by snowflake_obsidian
reply to post by Xcouncil=wisdom
You know, there are atheists, agnostics and members of other religions that lead very "moral" lives. Then again, many elements in the subject of morality are highly subjective. Also there are Christians that lead immoral lives.
Originally posted by Wang Tang
I wanted to be like Jesus, but no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't even come close to being like Jesus. As much as I wanted to change, I couldn't.
For if I know the law but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway.
Read all of Romans 7:15-25
We have ALL observed that to be untrue. And I stated the REASON for it being untrue.
Originally posted by snowflake_obsidian
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I disagree and my story indicated that it is that belief that was one of my reasons for not being a Christian. I also am annoyed when people think they can speak for God and say what God thinks and feels.
In my belief God created us to live, so I believe that our actions mean a lot. I would not want to worship a vain God that only cares that we worship him.
Anyways, the post that I had responded to lead me to believe that he thinks the only way to lead a moral life is through Christianity, which I have observed to be untrue.
I realize there are MANY. Yet I don't consider them from God, they don't have accurate prophecy to authenticate it coming from an omniscient deity.
Originally posted by snowflake_obsidian
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Christianity is not the only theistic belief system and there are a multitude of non-theistic belief systems that can harmonize the conscience and the world we live in.