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An email from a "BP Insider" -- Possible Conspiracies Are Numerous

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posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:27 AM
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What else is it going to take in this country. What is going to be the final nail in the coffin, so to speak.

This makes sense as to why there was oil leaking from the sea floor. And now the potus will stand on national tv tonight and lie to us.

But, this is probably nothing to those in the shadows, after realizing just how much Afghanistan is going to be worth to them.




posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by Equinox99
Wait, aren't the relief wells there to send the heavy mud down the well and close it?! If it is to get more oil from the well than WTF! These guys should really be slapped by every citizen in the Gulf.


The relief wells will be drilled, BP will announce success ..... and then the press on this is going to totally go away. Anything we hear after this is going to be all about clean up, but the live feeds and everything will disappear like magic and everyone will go on about their lives again, except for those in the gulf.... will suffer long time.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Just Wondering
reply to post by manta78
 
Thanks for the excellent info.
Don't forget that there is still that $75M cap b law, also BP has already volunteered an extra $25M on their own, they are not just gonna sit back and let that law go without a fight.
I do know that it is a risky investment but I can take the hit. I am hoping the ROI is worth the risk.


The $75M cap apparently only relates to direct costs involved in the cleanup. However, there are other expenses that BP is already paying:


BP Announces First Payment on Barrier Islands Project for State of Louisiana - 07 June
As part of the previously announced commitment to fund the entire $360 million cost of six berms in the Louisiana barrier islands project, BP today announced that it will make an immediate payment of $60 million to the State of Louisiana. In a letter to Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and as previously announced, BP detailed its plans to make payments in stages based on the project's completion milestones.


and


BP to Pay a Second Month of Loss of Income Claims - 04 June
Robert, LA (June 4) -- BP said today it will be sending a second advance payment during June to individuals and businesses along the Gulf Coast to compensate for the loss of income or net profit due to the cleanup of the Deepwater Horizon Incident in the Gulf of Mexico.

With the second advance payments, BP estimates it will have spent about $84 million for loss of income or net profit through June, based on the claims it has received to date. This number will grow as additional claims are filed.


Source: BP.com's own "Gulf of Mexico Response" page

Granted, these hundreds of millions of dollars are still not a major expense for a company like BP. But on the other hand, this is still really only the tip of the iceberg. There will doubtless be many claims they'll have to deal with that will not be covered by the "cleanup cap" legislation. There is also the consideration that if this disaster spreads far enough they might be meeting claims from non-US places as well.

It could well be that their eventual costs will run into many billions, especially from the almost inevitable lawsuits. I recall that Pan Am was basically destroyed by the costs of lawsuits/claims it had to meet following the Lockerbie disaster, even though that event was not of its own making.

Will BP survive this? Probably yes. But it will have to have an effect on its profitability, especially as its competitors will use any trick in the book to get an edge on this huge company.

[edit on 15/6/10 by JustMike]



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:44 AM
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Duplicate post. No idea why.


[edit on 15/6/10 by JustMike]



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 07:42 AM
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Some apparently 'real' emails:

www.cbsnews.com...

The only conspiracy here is one of greed, BP trying to save money has caused an unimaginable disaster.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 08:15 AM
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reply to post by JustMike
 


That is true. The $75M cap only applies to the actual clean up. There is still plenty of room for litigation from all the people involved. Hell, my parents moved back to Missouri this past weekend, because the Developers that my Dad worked for have stopped building along the coast, so he was out of a job. I suppose he could sue, and so could I for the lost rental income.

The problem is that BP is being very nice right now to keep up their image, but once the leak is stopped and the press moves on to a new subject, then BP has a lot of lawyers to fight all these lawsuits. They can put blame on all the other parties involved and make the cases complicated and impossible to win. They can bluff and bully their way out of responsibility. Ultimately, they will pay for now, and then they will pay their $75M, but then they will quietly stop paying and we won't hear about it.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 08:26 AM
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Anyone had a look at skandi ROV cam recently?

www.bp.com...

Yesterday there was a marked increase in the amount of hydrates coming out, today there are even more. Look at the amount of silvery stuff coming out


www.sanaracreations.fi...

One of the viking ROVs often looks at a valve mounted on the side of the BOP. Today I can hardly see it there is so much oil shooting past it, yesterday, not the case. They just fixed a pipe lower down which has now been activated and is releasing oil too.. (edit just stopped again.. its canyon cam yellow pipe atm) I get a feeling the pressure is increasing... this is not good. Havn't yet been able to tell if it's shaking more however just before they opened that lower pipe the lid was shaking around and pulsing.

[edit on 15/6/10 by GhostR1der]



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 08:31 AM
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reply to post by Just Wondering
 

Excellent post.
I think you have attempted to contribute to SO's appeal for help far more constructively than many posts I have read.


Originally posted by Just Wondering
FAIL #1
"I'm a field sup pulled off a BP rig in the gulf"
BP doesn't own any "rigs" in the gulf, they own platforms and TLP's, A "field supervisor" is an Production Operator and reffer to themselves as "Lead Operators" and these guys are not office types that would be "pulled" to do P.R. work.

The author of the E-mail may have deliberately misled us, I agree. But the reason may be to simply add some confusion to the actual position the author has, in order to maintain anonymity. We have to consider that.


FAIL #2
"I'm a couple hours away from reporting to a security briefing along with many others, and then to what they are saying"
The only way this "field supervisor" would be involved in such a high level meeting would be if he was a drilling expert or If he was involved in the incident on the Horizon from day one. Besides this sentence doesn't even make sense.
Perhaps this is actually an indication of the E-mail authors actual roll. It could be considered an oversight by the author. Lets face it, if the author is in the Oil industry as claimed, I doubt the author is versed in covert corporate espionage.


FAIL #3
"...are talking that something or someone was at the bop and either deliberately caused the blowout or made a grave error that caused the bop to malfunction when the inevitable blowout happened. "
Wut?!?! This sentence right here speaks VOLUMES as to how little this guy's knowledge of drilling operations is.
At first glance it does. But the author mentions "something at the BOP" which is possible. But I agree with your criticism, someone being at the BOP at the time of the "inevitable" blow out that made a deliberate or grave error makes absolutely no sense at all. Besides, rig survivors have mentioned flaws in the blow out preventer, with some mentioning material in the mud that may have been from the BOP in days prior to the disaster and sensor failures noted prior to the accident as well. This has been widely reported and conflicts with the e-mail's content.


FAIL #4
"Rumor is that now they're going to call marshall law and all of us will be prevented from leaving the ships to see our families. Things are going from really bad to crazy. "
Seriously, does this guy's spelling, grammar and syntex give you any confidence in having him be your liaison to the press? I know my limitations and I know my vocabulary is not up to that challenge. BP can employ the best of the best why make this idiot your liaison with the press?
I agree. Rigs have many job specific reports , reviews, surveys, operational event paperwork. The list is long when you add future project paperwork. All of this has to be done on rigs as well as corresponded and submitted to corporate servers off rig, as I understand it. It is not unreasonable to suggest that the author present a better standard of spelling and grammar.


FAIL #5
"Nearly everyone here is of the belief that the blowout was planned as a way to destroy a well that had too many problems to be ultimately profitable, and get two new wells drilled (the relief wells) that will be wildly profitable and the only way to do that was destroy this one. We calculated that even with paying cleanup costs the profit on two wells in this reserve will far outweigh the costs in less than a year. "
I got an idea, instead of blowing up this well, why not just plug and abandon this well and apply to drill two more wells? According to the MSM and the Obama cabinet, the MMS was in bed with BP anyway, they could have just wine and dined them, given them some porn and voila! two ne wells approved. Alot cheaper than what this is gonna cost them. They also said that they were the ones that forced BP to drill the second well.
To be fair to the author, he/she is merely reporting on rumors. But as rumors go, you would have to imagine that industry insiders would see the flawed logic in the proposition.


FAIL #6
"And Im sorry I can't give you my email as I'm concerned for what might happen if this disclosure is traced back to me
Give me his IP and I will trace it to his front door. If he was smart (which he isn't) he would have sent this from a library computer or a starbucks.
The OP states clearly that they checked the IP.


This guy is a troll and he successfully trolled ATS.
I don't think that he or she was successful.
You are a part of ATS. Would you say the author of this email was successful in trolling you?
I don't.

Sadly in these circumstances, with such a distrust and distaste for MSM, BP spin and pathetic Governmental action, we need to hope and wait for people on the inside(like this email claims to be) that will break any industry embargo on the truth.
And leak that truth, like BP have Oil.

I enjoyed you posts. Thank You.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by whaaa
Thanks SO for that info.

This disaster is shaping up to global proportions.
And now a hurricane heading into the area with
accompanying evacuations.


God help us!



[edit on 14-6-2010 by whaaa]


What hurricane? Where? The name? Location??? You wouldn't just make some BS up would you - just for the hype. There is an area of disorganized and weakening thunderstorms 1100 miles out in the far eastern Atlantic, but it doesn't even rate being called a tropical depression.
Maybe you should ask for the god of truth to help you.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by 4nsicphd]



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by 4nsicphd

Originally posted by whaaa
Thanks SO for that info.

This disaster is shaping up to global proportions.
And now a hurricane heading into the area with
accompanying evacuations.


God help us!



[edit on 14-6-2010 by whaaa]


What hurricane? Where? The name? Location??? You wouldn't just make some BS up would you - just for the hype. There is an area of disorganized and weakening thunderstorms 1100 miles out in the far eastern Atlantic, but it doesn't even rate being called a tropical depression.
Maybe you should ask for the god of truth to help you.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by 4nsicphd]


My apologies. I was premature in my hurricane forecast.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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I thought this article would be of interest. I really hope it isn't true...

______beforeitsnews/story/76/057/Scientists_Warn_Gulf_Of_Mexico_Sea_Floor_Fractured_Beyond_Repair.html



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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Sorcha Faal. 'Nuff said.

Please when posting links, include a snippet of the sourced material and some commentary about why you feel it's relevant.

Thanks.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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reply to post by Just Wondering
 


Excellent work! Whether you are right or wrong, your critical thinking skills are to be admired!
Thank you.

I just wanted to ask (I haven't read in your posts before) how you know what you know about drilling, etc. Have you worked on an oil rig before or know someone who does?

Just a couple notes on your findings:


Originally posted by Just Wondering
FAIL #2
"I'm a couple hours away from reporting to a security briefing along with many others, and then to what they are saying"
...
Besides this sentence doesn't even make sense.


I think he left out the word "according". That's how I read it, anyway:

"I'm a couple hours away from reporting to a security briefing along with many others, and then according to what they are saying..."

Still, if you have reason to know that a person at his level wouldn't be attending such a meeting, I tend to believe an established ATS member over a stranger.


Originally posted by Just Wondering
FAIL #4
"Rumor is that now they're going to call marshall law and all of us will be prevented from leaving the ships to see our families. Things are going from really bad to crazy. "
Seriously, does this guy's spelling, grammar and syntex give you any confidence in having him be your liaison to the press?


He didn't say that HE was the liaison to the press. He said "My new job was to work with the press liais to push back all reporters and noncompany scientists."

The "marshall law" thing is a common mistake. His syntax and grammar does bother me, but if he's not the actual press liaison, then I'm not too convinced by that.



This guy is a troll and he successfully trolled ATS.


I tend to agree with this and your other points except the one above, which really is inconsequential. Great work!



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Is there any actual science to the drilling of relief wells or is just
the case of "It Should work!"

There must be quite a bit of frustration with those in the south.
They would be angry at BP, so they won't buy BP anymore. With the cost
of the Spill and nobody buying, only one thing can happen next. And the
Tax Payers will be paying for it, and another reason to angry at BP.
On the other hand if they choose to buy BP then they are supporting BP.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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From Earlier in this Thread. There is about 100 years of science in drilling relief wells, and the technology is now very advanced. They even use Electromagnetic locating capability to be sure they hit the original tube. There is a link to the technical literature with history and current developments.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Wonderful tutorial on Relief Wells. Yes they do provide thick mud or other media to plug the hole, but they are also capable of "producing" a reservoir at high capacity to relieve pressure! So, YES, BP could profit from the relief wells!

Also:
This document mentions the possibility of underground blow-outs many times. Apparently this is a big concern, especially in certain strata. Lime is one of the most dangerous strata for drilling, and I know most of the Gulf Coast has Limestone as its significant aquifer and strata. If that is the case at this site, then even the relief well may not work sufficiently.


Here is the link and quotes:

www.jwco.com...


The original purpose of a relief well was to relieve pressure on a blowing formation by drilling a vertical well around the blowout and producing it (them) at high rates.



Specialty kill fluids. In 1976, specialty fluids were used during a unique cratered blowout in the Persian Gulf from a high permeability gas section of the Asmari formation at 3,500 ft. Hole size was 17-1/2 in. With casing at 1,100 ft. Four relief wells gained hydraulic communication with the borehole, but were unable to control the flow with conventional kill fluids. This resulted in first use of polymer systems as kill fluids. Two polymer types were pumped through separate relief wells. An extremely viscous, cross-linked guar gum was pumped into salt cavities above the reservoir, and a high molecular weight HEC polymer was pumped into the reservoir matrix. The guar filled the cavities and decreased gas flow while the HEC blocked off loss of kill fluid to the vuggy, fractured reservoir matrix.

A similar technique was successful on Mexico's offshore Ixtoc blowout in 1980.

Dynamic kill. In 1978, Mobil Oil documented the technique of "dynamic kill" on a prolific gas blowout in Arun field, Indonesia.4 The technique involves circulating a light initial fluid, such as water, with sufficient friction pressure to kill the blowout (hence the name "dynamic"), followed by mud with sufficient density to contain reservoir pressure. Advantages include its use when kill pressures in the well bore must be developed in a controlled manner to prevent formation fracture; simple hydraulic calculations; and use of the relief well drillstring for real time measurement of BHP during pumping. Disadvantages include high hp requirements for killing a well with a light fluid. This technique laid the foundation for future engineered kill procedure designs.




The relief well has traditionally been a last resort when other surface kill efforts fail. This has changed with increasing technology requirements for horizontal, deep, offshore, hostile environment, or high pressure wells. Questions arose whether blowouts of some wells could be killed at all, especially with the possibility of under ground blowouts. Fortunately, relief well advancements paralleled this period of technology growth and now provide viable blowout control options. The operator of a blowing well will likely consider surface capping methods before snubbing or relief well options.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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I just figured out how to get the truth!

Let's waterboard Tony Haywired!

He's a terrorist for sure



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 11:55 AM
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Great mail SO S+F as usual.
____________________________________________
There's also something happening about 100 miles southeast of the rig site with several navy and uscg ships.
____________________________________________
Question that intrigues is the presence of the US Navy 100 miles SE and were they there before the drill head blew?
If you found something and needed to get it out of the area with know one watching what lengths would you go to?
If it was going to be moved to land would you not want the area clear?....Grand Isle e.g
If some are to be believed about 9-11 etc. killing 11 and a local eco system are small potatoes in comparrison. While everyone watches the Oil Leak, no ones watching the possible unusual events of the Navy or anything they bring to the surface.
Unexploded Mines Maybe? OR
I looked up Herons mound and Bon Secour mounds and came up blank which in itself is very odd...........They are named yet no information for them anywhere not even wiki.
Google Earth 28 34" 40'.63" N, 87' 46' 48.51" W elev-2367
Theres a rectangular feature underwater here too of immense size could be image patching I don't know.









[edit on 15-6-2010 by DreamerOracle]



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 11:55 AM
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that was my first question.

As for this tradegy, heh. The media is hardly covering this and are blacked out from going to the area. Is that legal? Is that how a democracy works? Possibly one of the worst man-made disasters in my and US history..and we get no coverage, just a 10 minute snippet on "Evening News".

That is my outrage. A media conglomerate is nothing but a tool



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Why is a field supervisor working with the press liaisons?

Why, if he is lying about what he is doing in BP, would he mention he is going to a security briefing? That will surely identify who he is or at the very least bring it to a handful of suspects.

Why does he even need to protect himself? Consider this; if he clearly identified himself and not only sent this letter to us but a lot more people, and it turns out this guy "falls down some stairs"...I don't care who the hell you are, that is a blaring red light and even the most brainwashed individual would be rather curious about that.

At the very least, this sounds like a troll. At the most, this could be government propaganda as we do know they have planned to infiltrate sites like this.



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