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I propose a new law regarding illegals and anchor babies

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posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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I've been paying attention to Arizona trying to deny citizenship to anchor babies. I seek a happy medium. I think I have a plan that fits within the framework of the constitution.

All live births must be certified. THis means hospital, in home with the home birth specialist, whomever.

THe law will be that anyone caught in the country illegaly will be inelligible for US citizenship for their lifetime. If illegals come to a hospital to give birth they must submit proof of citizenship. If they are found to be in the country illegaly after the birth and the stability of the child is established they will all be deported. The child will have US citizenship, actually dual citizenship with the US and the parents origination country. The child will have until his/her 21st birthday to relinquish dual citizenship and become a full blown permanent us citizen.

So you aren't depriving people born in the US of their birthright but you aren't allowing their parents the benefit of cheating their way into citizenship.

Fair enough?

Now some will say what if the parents choose to leave the child in the us rather than be deported. Sure they can turn their child over for adoption, which will create a burden on us but not nearly as much as having the entire group cheating the system.




posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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I really like your solution. It is a compromise and it does indeed satisfy both sides of the issue.

However we face a bigger problem. And that is the fact our government almost NEVER listens to good ideas like this.

Sadly your totally viable and reasonable solution will be overlooked and forgotten.

But me? I won't forget your post. I will remember your idea and spread it because I think others should think in these terms under this context.

Great post man, starred and flagged for actually contributing Solutions to our problems. Something very few people do these days.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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I think quite the opposite that you do, OP.


It is obvious that the illegals that sneak over the border every day to work, DOES contribute to our economy. Even more, some of these day workers actually ASK for a TAX ID number, so they can pay taxes,

If the jobs here justify coming out here, awesome. They contribute!!!


How EVER. It does NOT contribute to our system to come over here, give birth, and then collect welfare and food stamps for the rest of their lives.

Just being born here, does not make one an American. The illegals that come here to collect welfare and other services, can "SUCK IT".



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 02:22 PM
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That's a good start. For those who are still illegal here and trying to get a VISA and such, they government already knows who to keep and who to let go, especially if they are drug dealers/sellers and human traffickers.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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I think you could also solve the entire illegal alien thing by forcing employers to pay 2x minimum wage for any undocumented worker, half to go to the worker, and the other half to go to a medical services and tax fund for them. And add in some heinous penalties for not paying them that, the sort you wouldn't risk.

I think it's awful paying Pedro two bucks an hour. If you need migrant help, great, hire them, but you have to pay them a decent working wage, period, with some benefits. It's only fair.

And, of course, when DelMonte et al can't buy Mexican slaves for peanuts, that will be the end of it. Less demand, less supply.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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Why don't we leave the 14th amendment as it is, go after the employers hiring illegal immigrants..give the immigrants that are already here a way to come out of the shadows to ID themselves...give them a number to track them and for them to pay taxes but not yet a SSN number...then after a certain number of years say 10 if their record is clean they can then apply to become residents then citizens.

But wait...that's too "humane" and it's not breaking up families and not injecting fear into the lives of millions of people. My apologies.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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I don't agree with it outright but I want to commend you for not being an emotionally driven twit who takes an extreme on the situation. Especially on this one, considering that the only solutions exist in the middle.

We can't practically deport every single illegal. Sure, it's been done before but it didn't fix the situation considering our current predicament.

We also can't grant amnesty to every single illegal, simply because there are a few illegals that simply shouldn't be allowed to stay.

I think the best solution is fairly simple.

1. Legalize marijuana. This will stop drug smugglers who cause harm and destruction on the border. It will help with far more than just this situation, but marijuana legislation is a big aspect to the illegal problem.

2. Grant amnesty to illegals who do have jobs, who do pay taxes (there are illegals who do, as someone above mentioned).

3. Protect the border better. Honestly a simple task.

4. This is the important one. With the state Mexico is in right now, there needs to be immigration reform. But I think we should reform it specifically for Mexico and other individuals in the America's. Make it a lot easier to come in legally and easier to get work visas.

5. Somehow do background checks on illegals here currently. I know there exists ways to do so though I'm not sure the specifics on how. But we can't allow the violent ones in. People who have been found guilty of robbery, assault, etc. Serious crimes. Crimes with actual victims. And they should be deported.

These 5 simple steps will appease everyone. It will help out Mexico, who really does need help. It will help out those trying to make a new lives for themselves. Because many illegals aren't horrible criminals, but just people looking for a job. It will help out the current job market, as some illegals currently here will be deported. Not to mention the jobs created with Marijuana being legalized.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Why do liberals feel the need to name call, and question everybody's intelligence?
It is also bothersome that they think they are in the middle. there was nothing in the middle, in any of your idea's It was by the book leftist. Don't pretend your a open minded centrist, when you are not.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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So your solution is to force people into the healthcare system?

What about those who choose not to have their child in a hospital or under supervision?



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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Then there is no proof that their child was born in the US and has no right to citizenship. When they attempt to register their child for school or medical care or whatever, the point is at some level they will have to register for some service and at the point the determination can be made if they are in the country illegaly. Sure we may not catch all of the home birthers, but the child will at some point go to school, go to the doctor, etc.... It makes no sense to me why we don't use these services that are abused to catch those in the country illegaly. A lot are hanging out and waiting for amnesty. Perhaps the thought of losing any right to citizenship ever, well maybe it will force them to go through the proper channels.. And if they still choose to stay here illegaly then they won't abuse our social services and the financial burden will decrease.

DMV, Hospitals, Schools, The Post Office, Banks, Social Service and welfare offices..... Imagine if they actually had to prove citizenship at these places before recieving services. I'm going to assume this would root out 95% of the illegals.

As far as illegals applying for a TIN. So they can pay taxes. I'm still not a fan of granting citizenship.

My proposal is that if you are caught here illegaly you will forever give up your right to apply for US citizenship. Your child if born here will have that opportunity. But not you.

I'd also make English the official language and remove all of the spanish from every government document other than those dealing with immigration.

I would institute a quickie immigration plan a la the French Foreign Legion. Serve six years. Learn a skill. Recieve healthcare, training and pay in the process. Six years later you earn citizenship for you and your immediate family. You and your family retain temporary citizenship while in the program.

The simple fact is people love to gripe about illegal immigration but few really want to fix it. Everyone screams discrimination. It's not. It's protecting our future. We're going to wind up with a massive and I mean massive unskilled workforce. And while that massive unskilled workforce grows unchecked we bring everyone else down to the lowest common denominator.

We're slipping in legal immigration. America used to get the worlds great scientiffic minds and people immigrating to this country who could contribute to our growth and development. These brilliant minds immigrate elsewhere now.

We used to be the hot nightclub with a line around the corner. Now they took away the bouncers at the door and let everyone in without paying a covercharge. We're not checking folks out at the door.

I used to own a bar in VA Beach, VA. When I got it, they let everyone in unchecked. Barfights, weapons, drugs, and low profit. Well no profit, barely break even. I put in doormen, a metal detector, a covercharge. Made people feel safe. Made sure it was a friendly environment. Put in a dresscode. The joint started making money. People wanted to go there. Because they didn't have to deal with all the trash that was coming through the door before. And they made some sacrifices not to have to deal with that element.

America needs a doorman, a dresscode and a covercharge.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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I'm calling BS on that. Telling citizens that they MUST allow the state to be present at childbirth is unconstitutional

All this is is another idea that willingly sacrifices our freedoms in the name of 'security'.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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I'm just asking for the state to verify the parents identity before issuance of a birth certificate. WHy is that unreasonable?



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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AHAHAHA, oh WOW, did you just call me a liberal?

Um buddy, I don't think that word means what you think it means.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by DrJay1975
I'm just asking for the state to verify the parents identity before issuance of a birth certificate. WHy is that unreasonable?


thats far different than what the OP presented. The OP said that a healthcare worker must be present.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 02:19 AM
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if the usa was a chit hole youd all wanna go elsewhere



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