Obama Issues Executive Order Mandating "Lifestyle Behavior Modification"

reply to post by ElijahWan


Another note here, you actually needed an executive order to let you know that smoking is bad for you? So because you're too stupid to know that cigarettes are addictive you believe we need a government agent to inform us what common sense should have already provided?

Go back to sleep. You're government is in control.

Originally posted by justinsweatt
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

I'd love to give you negative stars as well. I would expect such a response from someone who appears to be nothing more than an establishment demagogue.

Give me negative stars? For what....Clarifying the Executive Order better than the source could? And PLEASE....and Establishment Demagogue? Yer right man...the good ole liberal establishment reeled me in at the ripe age of 19....

Yer labels really don't phase me since I'm a free-thinker who makes an opinion based on the FACTS PRESENTED, as opposed to sticking with one side. I'm an independent voter by the way, I'll vote for a Republican when I think they will represent me the best, and likewise for Democrats.....

Your "Source" twists this in a manner so as to suggest Obama is taking FREEDOMS from you....Can you please cite the part of the Executive Order that believe is taking Freedom from you? Since when is a "think-tank" of health experts taking from your constitutional freedoms?

Again, please read the Executive Order in full before trying to hold a civil discussion about it, somehow I can't find the part where it says anything will be mandatory...."

That's like me going... "Obama creates think-tank to investigate the AIDS epidemic" then going "ZOMG...Obama is trying to give everyone AIDS! RUN!"

Originally posted by justinsweatt
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

Another note here, you actually needed an executive order to let you know that smoking is bad for you? So because you're too stupid to know that cigarettes are addictive you believe we need a government agent to inform us what common sense should have already provided?

Go back to sleep. You're government is in control.

Here is another perfect example of horrible "comprehension" when it comes to reading text.... Nowhere did I say I needed an E.O. to know cigarettes are bad for me, I simple said it's nice to know the Govt. actually cares.....

If the only thing the Govt Agent is going to do is "inform us about common sense we should already know" then why are you complaining about the E.O.? If it's common sense, they are just re-iterating it are they not?

I, on the other hand, believe the goal of this is to cut down the Obesity among other unhealthy things in American. NO WHERE does it say you have to stop smoking or stop drinking. Here's a little known fact....

According to the study, Medicare beneficiaries who are obese cost the federal program $600 a year more than normal-weight beneficiaries did in 2006. Across all payers, the difference was even greater, at $1,429.

I'm sorry if I think that Obesity is a problem in America and it needs to be fixed? I don't like that my countries economy COULD be doing better if people simply stop eating JUNK food and actually exercised.....

reply to post by ElijahWan


I did read the Executive Order and it almost stated verbatim within the source that posted with the author's opinion on what he thought the ramifications would be of such an order. It's not rocket science to believe that something like this would pop up in ANY administration that would pass civil liberty intruding legislation like the "Health Care Bill".

Great so you vote Republican as well sometimes. Awesome, when not voting for the left hand of a corporate zombie puppet, it's nice to know that you'll occasionally vote for the right hand.

Also, your explanation for negative stars applies to yourself as well. If you don't like the thread and find it ridiculous, then I suggest you move on to other waters you feel more comfortable with. I tend not to debate with people who I feel are not exactly batting great in the wits department. It's unfair to pick on an unarmed person.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by justinsweatt]

reply to post by ElijahWan


Obesity is a problem but you can't make someone lose weight or take care of themselves if they do not have the desire to do so. And this is another example of typical liberal do-gooder BS colored up in "the greater good". I'll allow you to complain about people's weight when you stop smoking.

Where does it end though? In some medical circles they say that chronic masturbation is terrible for your prostate, so what are you going to do, ban porn and wanking off because it might cost you too much in tax dollars later on down the road? What if I don't like the fact that you vote for corporate goons? Should I be allowed to micromanage you at the ballot box because I don't agree with your choice?

You see where I'm going here? Do you see how the line of thinking here could be complete non-sense and dangerous to a free society?

Again, the government has also said that flouride is good for you. Newsflash, it's not. These are also the same people who brought you the Tuskeegee incident. If you don't know what that is, google it.

The Executive Order is a step in the direction of complete micro-management and mandates because the government has decided to provide you with a tax paid Eugenics program, er, Health Care. It always starts small and ends up being a nightmare.

Also, in the 08 campaign trail, Obama said that he thought Executive Orders and signing statements were unconstitutional. So why is he continuing the practice?

[edit on 15-6-2010 by justinsweatt]

Originally posted by ElijahWan

If the only thing the Govt Agent is going to do is "inform us about common sense we should already know" then why are you complaining about the E.O.? If it's common sense, they are just re-iterating it are they not?

Sooooo.....

If the Govt Agent (Obama) himself is a smoker,
Does that mean he lacks 'common sense'?

Or is Obama special?

I would like to know if our highest elected official is lacking common sense.

I feel that it is important.

Do not question O-thority.

reply to post by justinsweatt
Just as I thought,

He'd be special!



ETA: 'd

[edit on 15-6-2010 by butcherguy]

reply to post by justinsweatt


That is MOST laughable...I'm lacking in the wits department because I can understand the Executive Order clearly? Please....prove me wrong...Don't use your "nanny-liberalstate" source.....Go straight to the source of the E.O...Go bring it up and show me where it says that anything they decide will be mandated? Please show me where it says they are going to take your cigarettes and beer away? Hell...the E.O. doesn't even say they are going to mandate saturated fat, ect in Food (although it should IMO, since 1/4 Americans is Obese. Not just over-weight, but OBESE)

So please...Instead of ragging on personal character (which is common when someone can't debate with sound logic) would you please be so kind as to quote the part of the Executive Order that states where anything is mandatory? I'm quite comfortable debating proposed bills and executive orders. What I'm NOT comfortable with is people spinning said E.O.s to suit their specific viewpoint, which it is clear your source is doing since no where in the E.O. does it say ANYTHING is mandatory.

I understand your point of view about "government putting it's foot where it shouldn't" , although I think helping making American less fat is an applaud able effort. Regardless of that fact, your source is claiming Obama will be mandating these "behavior modifications", a statement which is COMPLETELY unfounded in both logic and fact.

Originally posted by justinsweatt
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

Obesity is a problem but you can't make someone lose weight or take care of themselves if they do not have the desire to do so. And this is another example of typical liberal do-gooder BS colored up in "the greater good". I'll allow you to complain about people's weight when you stop smoking.

Where does it end though? In some medical circles they say that chronic masturbation is terrible for your prostate, so what are you going to do, ban porn and wanking off because it might cost you too much in tax dollars later on down the road? What if I don't like the fact that you vote for corporate goons? Should I be allowed to micromanage you at the ballot box because I don't agree with your choice?

You see where I'm going here? Do you see how the line of thinking here could be complete non-sense and dangerous to a free society?

Again, the government has also said that flouride is good for you. Newsflash, it's not. These are also the same people who brought you the Tuskeegee incident. If you don't know what that is, google it.

The Executive Order is a step in the direction of complete micro-management and mandates because the government has decided to provide you with a tax paid Eugenics program, er, Health Care. It always starts small and ends up being a nightmare.

Also, in the 08 campaign trail, Obama said that he thought Executive Orders and signing statements were unconstitutional. So why is he continuing the practice?

[edit on 15-6-2010 by justinsweatt]

Yes I completely see where you are going, mandating a free society to do things defeats the purpose of a free society..... HOWEVER....NOTHING IS BEING MANDATED here.....

I'm not stating everything Govt. does is good, FAR FROM IT...I agree with you that they have trouble regulating the simplest things....HOWEVER....THE ONLY THING THIS E.O. DOES IS CREATE A THINK-TANK type group....PERIOD.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by ElijahWan

If the only thing the Govt Agent is going to do is "inform us about common sense we should already know" then why are you complaining about the E.O.? If it's common sense, they are just re-iterating it are they not?

Sooooo.....

If the Govt Agent (Obama) himself is a smoker,
Does that mean he lacks 'common sense'?

Or is Obama special?

I would like to know if our highest elected official is lacking common sense.

I feel that it is important.

So what you are stating is EVERYONE who smokes cigarettes lacks common sense? I'd definately have to disagree with you on that one....Although by now EVERYONE knows how bad cigarettes can be for you....it doesn't stop people from smoking. By the same logic, everyone who is Obese lacks common sense since being Obese is unhealthy?

Did you see that recent report that says sitting can be bad for you? So everyone who sits is now lacking in common sense? Yer logic is flawed man....

For some reason, thiis council and executive order, is kinda like the laws made by the blind isnt it? thats effin scary and twilight zone like. imagine a bunch of blind relic politicians at a heavenly table, making our laws for us theyd make us suffer

reply to post by justinsweatt


The " Obama's" initiative has far more reaching implications.
Ok. The main thing I am asking is this. Why do we have to be controlled that much by powers, governments and others in control?
The people educate themselves, go to Church, school have good parents and this society is apparently advanced in all the ways and now, we learn that we are not capable of thinking for ourselves?
Who chooses Presidents? The American people or the Aliens?
I say the chances are .... you can wonder.. Same goes for quota. Like directly controlling human behaviour. So many women or NON whites have to do this or that.
Why? Let everybody be treated exactly the same. not make it apparent that somebody is directly interfering into human affairs right here on Earth.
According to me such stupid initiatives, which use direct coercion are indicative of non terrestrial and unsolicited attempt to control Earthly species. Look, when United Europe takes on new members they have to oblige by the rules, often change their own ways and legislation without own parliaments and moreover people have anything really to say.
The conform first, then ask questions later. It shows you that we as a planet may have come to the point that we are slowly preparing to be officially incorporated into prevalent galactic civilization, the one that owns our star system anyway. That is the reason behind so many UFO sightings, strange government behaviour and many more. The empire is galactic, but it could technically speaking span many dimensions as well. The problem is that all is that much controlled. As you mentioned, we can abort children, we can bomb other people, so the humanitarian side is not the strongest of our points and motivations.
It is about control and not necessarily control for Terrestrial powers.
Although I do agree that being healthy and loving is good and better than otherwise, I rather conclude that achieving all that is done too fast and too strong, and moreover more telling about outside influence than it is accepted as real. The administration is still denying the knowledge of intergalactic involvement and strange behaviour like apparent cessations of flight to the Moon, despite having flown there many times before using just a sea equivalent of a raft. 40 years on and we have to PLAN MANY years ahead how to fly there again! When technology is evolving so rapidly.
This is just something not right. Sorry I went out a slight bit off the topic, but it is all related. The government is not telling you all ..

reply to post by ElijahWan


I already have and I have debated/opined on the issue of this Executive Order substantively. You just don't want to hear it. You're coming from the point of view that you're already correct and the rest of us are clearly wrong and ignorant. That is hardly a logical approach when looking for debate when you are looking to change the mind of the person you are debating with because frankly, you're just not winning me over. I'm not going to change your mind, clearly, so why continue to engage in an argument that you appear to be floundering in. Also, you were the first one to start the personal attacks so my advice would be the same that I would give Obama: follow your own advice.

Again, personally, I will not listen to anything you say on this matter until you stop smoking. Period. Until then, you will sit with your dunces' cap in the hypocrite corner.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by justinsweatt]

Heres what i find amazing!! Thiers all this news now, of Certix is it? the chemical used to dispese the oil in the gulf, i guess thier finding its killing things, causing acid rain? if its true, i find it weird then, along with a posible evacuation of florida and the coasts of the southern states, that obama would write this executive order up. i mean its the governemnts fault for doing this, isnt it? Liability* the people shuold get together and their money and sue the living life and pulse outta the governemnt then.
I just find it weird, obama would sign a helath council/executive order trying to tell us what is good for us and what isnt, when all they seem to do is dispese and feed us chemcicals in the first place?

Originally posted by justinsweatt
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

I already have and I have debated/opined on the issue of this Executive Order substantively. You just don't want to hear it. You're coming from the point of view that you're already correct and the rest of us are clearly wrong and ignorant. That is hardly a logical approach when looking for debate when you are looking to change the mind of the person you are debating with because frankly, you're just not winning me over. I'm not going to change your mind, clearly, so why continue to engage in an argument that you appear to be floundering in. Also, you were the first one to start the personal attacks so my advice would be the same that I would give Obama: follow your own advice.

Again, personally, I will not listen to anything you say on this matter until you stop smoking. Period. Until then, you will sit with your dunces' cap in the hypocrite corner.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by justinsweatt]

Wow dude? Are you really trying to act like I personally attacked you? Can you quote the post where I personally attacked you? I'm afraid I've been rather cordial in my debate whereas you first, called me an establishment demagogue, then you said I had no wits, then you said I should sit in a corner with a dunce cap simply because I smoke cigarettes?

Explain to me why, that if I smoke cigarettes, that automatically means I can't participate in a discussion on a Health-related executive order

Second off, I don't come at this "with my mind" made up. I read the Executive Order in full and no where did I see any mandates. Thus, I spoke out against your source's BIASNESS.

It is BLATANT fear mongering on the part of the website, they even had to name-drop to make it even more scary. Your source mentions Obama has consulted "Rev Wright" so who knows who will be on his Advisory Board ((Health Care professionals)). They also mention Bill Ayers to scare us even more. Something about a Dr. who was a "right-to-die" activist aswell, I'm assuming he practiced in euthanasia or was a voice of it, again something I don't have a problem with, people have the right to die if they choose IMO.

Now, President Obama is going to seek medical advisors who will be charged with modifying lifestyles and behaviors of those citizens he deems unhealthy? “Paging Dr. Kevorkian! You’re wanted in the White House STAT by President Obama!”

The Advisory Board merely gives suggestions to the President on how to implement programs to help America become healthy. Thus....LOWERING our Health Care costs.

Ideally, it seems, they would like to see less people smoking cigarettes, as well as more exercise and less fatty foods. That is their opinion....HOWEVER....It doesn't say they are going to tell you what you can and can not do. And that is where your source's spin is incorrect.....

If you are so sure that your source is correct and Obama will be mandating things, will you please QUOTE the part that says they will be mandating things?

Again, I have yet to personally attack you and have only attacked your source, as well as yer "labels" for me.....

Now you can go on here and keep talking how Obama's going to take this freedom, and Obama is going to take that freedom.... I rather enjoy knowing I'm not spending my time on such.....wishful thinking....At least if Obama did that people would have a reason to revolt.....

Regardless of that fact your source's slant is mistaken, if you wish to prove me wrong, do so with a quote, not by personally attacking me for the upcoming....4th time, I believe.

Please, provide me with the Quote from the E.O. where they mandate you quit smoking, or even, a quote where they are taking away a freedom of yours. That's all I'm asking of you....

It's a E.O. that creates an Advisory board to advise the President on health concerns....PERIOD....nothing else.



[edit on 6/15/10 by ElijahWan]

I'd love to see them try to change my smokin, drinkin, womanizin, druggin, assholin ways. My mother couldn't!

Originally posted by justinsweatt

Obama Issues Executive Order Mandating "Lifestyle Behavior Modification"

nannystateliberationfront .net

The President’s desired lifestyle behavior modifications detailed in Sec. 6 (c) focus on:

* smoking cessation;
* proper nutrition;
* appropriate exercise;
* mental health;
* behavioral health;
* sedentary behavior (see Sec. 3 [c]);
* substance-use disorder; and
* domestic violence screenings.

Making matters even worse, if that is even possible at this point, President Obama will create an “Advisory Group” composed of experts hand-picked from the public health field and various other areas of expertise “outside the Federal Government.”

(visit the link for the full news article)

Whoa, there! Before you start picking apart this, I am one of a few who planted this idea in the first place! I am also an applicant for the Advisory Committee to oversee that this project retains its integrity.

Change starts with taking the veil off of the people who support absurd laws that allow other individuals, corporations and government to take everything from them, pollute their waters and land, subsidize chemically tainted hormone injected foods to replace natural foods, while the people pop a pill thinking its some kind of cure.

I was a member of the panel who sent one version of this proposal to Obama. Don't tear it apart yet until you see what kind of revisions our federal committee of fakes (congressman and senators) have made to the proposal.

Behavior modification is what will decide our fate in the future. The proposal I worked on is pure in its message; but my stomach is churning on what kind of mess our elected leaders are going to make of it!

Originally posted by ElijahWan

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by ElijahWan

If the only thing the Govt Agent is going to do is "inform us about common sense we should already know" then why are you complaining about the E.O.? If it's common sense, they are just re-iterating it are they not?

Sooooo.....

If the Govt Agent (Obama) himself is a smoker,
Does that mean he lacks 'common sense'?

Or is Obama special?

I would like to know if our highest elected official is lacking common sense.

I feel that it is important.

So what you are stating is EVERYONE who smokes cigarettes lacks common sense? I'd definately have to disagree with you on that one....Although by now EVERYONE knows how bad cigarettes can be for you....it doesn't stop people from smoking. By the same logic, everyone who is Obese lacks common sense since being Obese is unhealthy?

Did you see that recent report that says sitting can be bad for you? So everyone who sits is now lacking in common sense? Yer logic is flawed man....

I think that your logic is flawed.

Is smoking a smart thing to do?

Is Obama a smoker?

Answer these two (2) questions and PLEASE tell me where logic might lead you!

This is not a hard one!

Have at it!

Now I am waiting for someone to tell me that smoking is smart or Obama doesn't inhale!