Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
reply to post by JR MacBeth
You keep saying someone will grow up black, or someone will grow up white, as if social constructs are inherent in skin pigmentation.
Skin pigmentation color has NOTHING to do where someone grows up or how they act/attribute to society.
All skin 'color' does is determine where that persons ancestors spent the majority of their past in a particular environment.
[edit on 6/15/2010 by Arcane Demesne]
Appreciate the comment Arcane Demesne
, but you missed the main point. It's OK, the issue of "identity" is way off the radar for most
people. But I would submit that it is the best way to look at the "race" issue, apart from the biology.
Regarding skin color, we may agree more than you think, reread my post, the emphasis on such nonsense is hardly mine, although from my experience,
people often prop it up as a sort of straw-man. Then, they don't have to talk about the real issues.
Look at it this way, even if all great scientists agreed that skin color is silly, it wouldn't matter if society in general disagrees, for whatever
reason. Certainly, any "minority" who has ever been discriminated against, can attest that what the scientist thinks, isn't worth squat. It's
the "boss" that matters, the guy who won't hire them, etc. And that guy can be utterly foolish, but it's his (silly) opinion that would matter in
And that brings one to the issue of the "social construct". If I'm reading you right, the idea doesn't sit well with you. I'm here to tell you,
it means a whole lot more than merely where your ancestors came from!
By the way, my "white / black" example (specifically of the mixed-race individual) isn't mere speculation. Our society literally imposes the
burden of a "decision" that the mixed-race person must make, and that decision is about who to identify with.
I didn't go into a prison system
example, but why not? If you were sent to prison, certainly if it was one in a multi-racial nation (like the
USA), you would be forced into a dilema not unlike the multi-racial individual in my example. Why? Because in order to survive, you would have to
basically join a gang, and in prison, the gangs are primarily racial.
SO, here we are in prison. Perhaps you are tempted to loudly voice your "skin color doesn't matter!" mantra. Good luck with that! You will get a
rude awakening, to say the least. Yes, it apparently matters the MOST, in the prison context. Do you "look" a bit "Mexican", well then, good
luck getting in with the Whites. Will the Mexicans take you, if you don't even know a few Spanish words? Well, then, hopefully you can convince
them that you are Italian...
Speaking this way is likely very distasteful to the average person, no matter what their "race", but it is absolute reality, whether we like it or
not. The prisons are hard-core reality checks for us all. No, I guess we're not quite as "evolved" as we would like to be when it gets right down
IDENTITY is everything when it comes to the practical reality behind what we all call "race". Apart from that might be fantastic genetic and
"scientific" considerations, but all these biological factors, which one day may prove "important", they don't seem to have much to do with the
reality we are talking about, when someone asks about whether "race" is real.
Again, just to make sure my point wasn't missed. Get sentenced to prison, and no one will even ask the question. Race is real, and within the
prison context, it's actually a life and death matter!