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The FACTS ----confirm Obama born in U.S.A-CASE CLOSED******

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posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
reply to post by K J Gunderson
 
Egging people on to be racist using classic reverse racism...
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Dude, are you delusional or purposely trying to be deceptive. How am I egging on someone to be a racist who has several posts clearly stating their concern is the loss of a pure white race?

Are you special?

Here is what you said.


Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
reply to post by K J Gunderson
 
Buddy I've seen your posts on other threads and when don't you play the "race card"?

When don't I?

Well, so far still never. You gave examples from a thread by an OP who clearly states he is upset because white people are becoming minorities. That is not me playing the race card, it is me responding to racism. How about I give you those though. Want to be right? You get two choices.

Either what you quoted is me playing that card or I always play that card. It seems to me if I give you those two, that is still two out of 1945 posts. Hardly all the time, eh?




posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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reply to post by K J Gunderson
 
Why is that a problem to you?
It's not racist saying you would like to preserve a race, at all.
Illusions of granger...



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 11:29 PM
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"1-Obama is not a natural born citizen.
2-All claims saying so have been proven false so far and he is still in office.
3-When you run out of bogus arguments, swear and tell people to get out of the country."

Nothing has been proven either way. That is the problem. Why should citizens have to prove or disprove the President is eligible for the office? Instead of investigating the facts or evidence available to us, everyone is attacking everyone else. What I really resent is the statements of "too bad, we won" or "get out of my country" or "who cares about a Constitution." This is a major issue. When that document is destroyed, so is your right to think.

No one will be exluded from absolute control when we have lost our rights. We are not members of the Bilderberg. We are not special. If Obama is eligible to be President, simply pull out the Certificate of Live Birth. Problem solved.

Is the birth issue being kept in play by non-birthers to keep everyone pulling at each other to deter them from seeing what is happening around them? Special note: this post was originally raised by a non-birther. Why, when they say the issue is settled? Another false flag raising discontent to keep our eyes away from the actions which are destroying our rights?



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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I find the doc in this vid looks more authentic than the one from Hawaii

www.youtube.com...



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
reply to post by K J Gunderson
 
Why is that a problem to you?
It's not racist saying you would like to preserve a race, at all.
Illusions of granger...



You should really read the thread before asking about that. It is easy to attack someone referencing something else from here. Reading this thread You will find that the OP is worried about preserving the white race because he states all other races are inferior. He points out they are more prone to anything and everything negative he could find a stat to show. If you can explain how that is not racist, there is the thread. Please go make a convincing argument there why the OP stating non-whites are lesser humans is not racist.

I think I would enjoy reading that.



posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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reply to post by evil incarnate
 
I read it and he didn't so that's a blatant lie...
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posted on Jun, 14 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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You sir are an idiot if you think that this information is factual.

It seems these days the only threads that I see anymore regarding the "truther" ordeal are ones trying to prove that Obama was born in the US.

Stop stroking him and accept the fact that this usurper was not born in the US.

If you actually did your homework you would know this by now.
****CASE CLOSED****



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
reply to post by evil incarnate
 
I read it and he didn't so that's a blatant lie...
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originally posted by brainwrek
Whites have lost 14% in 9 years.

That is way too fast, and soon we will be the minority.

My problem is the way of life is changing. Whether people will admit the painful truth or not, minorities lag behind in many aspects of life (higher crime rates, lower income, lower education levels, etc etc), and it isnt due to institutionalized racism.

You and your family are driving down the road and your car breaks down. Where would you feel more comfortable at? breaking down in a white part of town, or a minority part of town?

Should I provide violent crime rates by race?


Thanks to KJ. Like I said, if you have an argument about why that is not racist, please go and present it. I am dying to find out why an upper class black neighborhood is still a less desirable place to have a breakdown than a lower class white neighborhood. If you can make that argument and not be racist, that would be fantastic. If you want to defend that OP, there is a thread waiting for you. To come here and argue about it is nonsense. You can pick apart the items listed above all you wish but you cannot defend them all and claim the OP of that thread was not presenting a racist premise.

For that matter, what exactly are you trying to prove? Do you agree that 2 out of 1945 is practically all the time or are you just looking to jump into something?

I am not going to say whether KJ plays the race card ever or not. I do know that 2 out of 1945 hardly comes to "when dont you." I also know that stating you fear black people over white people regardless of ANY OTHER FACTORS and then trying to claim your race needs to be preserved because societal ills are mainly caused by minorites is indeed racist. If you do not agree, I welcome you to debate me in that thread about it.

Have you tried the thread topic? It is tasty.

The topic of this thread is that the facts have been checked. They are on display. You can check them again. I believe KJ was actually thinking of a different current birther thread. They do all look alike after awhile, even the ones starting on the positive side.

It seems pretty clear that if you want to debate the minutia of the entire controversy, there is a specific thread for each and every detail you want to discuss.

Or, do you just want to bicker about whether or not KJ has played the race card 1, 2, or 3 times out of 2000?

Edit to fix the fact that KJ got threads confused and I followed that lead. This thread is about factcheck, there is another thread being promoted by the white supremecist. Funny no one picked up on that in their hurry to just basha anything anti-birther.

Everything else I said and the content and point still stand.

[edit on 6/15/10 by evil incarnate]



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 12:03 AM
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reply to post by evil incarnate
 
You asked me how you came off as racist...
and I showed you...
Enough said...



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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When I first heard the idea that Obama may be a natural born citizen, I didn't believe it and thought it was all race/religion based conspiracy, after all the man was in the Senate at that point, surely they had been vetted. After seeing how he was manipulated the system using various names, citizenship's and status' I believe he is not legitimate. The media has had an easy time of establishing any 'birthers' as nuts; no Congressman or Senator will touch the matter.

Now, this "FACT" is going off of the form released by the Obama campaign. Maybe it is legit, maybe not. I think the important thing to realize here is, there is enough conflicting information and such a serious situation to warrant a deep and thorough investigation.

I have seen evidence of citizenship for Obama in Hawaii and Kenya. He and members of his family have claimed he was born in Kenya. there have been accusations of him using immigrant status and the Soetoro name in college. Claims that the Certificate of Live Birth provided by the campaign, is faked based upon the numbers. Most recently, claims by employees who say they have seen his actual certificate and are willing to testify under oath to that effect.

It wouldn't take a 9/11 size commission to investigate this. Any 2 bit private eye granted access could get it cleared up in less than a month.

His actions, claims, promises and associations have proven shady and on par with any professional snake oil salesman at best, and criminal and treasonous at its worst. I don't trust him or anyone associated with him.

It would be bad enough if this was the only assault on freedoms and the state of the nation but this is but one. We are being attacked from every angle, on many fronts and are too overwhelmed to keep up with the intel, let alone fight back. I don't see anyway out of this black hole. We are finished.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Conqueror of Seth
reply to post by SWCCFAN
 


1) Father's nationality isn't what determines citizenship. if you are born on american soil, you are a natural born citizen.
2) please show me a copy of the alleged passport.


You nutjob birthers are the most unbelievably misled group of goofballs on this entire planet. I seriously have more respect for scientologists.

[edit on 14-6-2010 by Conqueror of Seth]


Couldn't help but notice that you are WRONG!!! Look up the difference between "Native-born" and "Natural Born". The question isn't whether or not he is a citizen, it is WHICH classification!

Next, we would ALL like to see his passport and dozens of other records that previous administrations have shared with us. But this, "THe most transparent administration" has buried and hidden absoljutely EVERYTHING having to do with Obama's past.

Finally, if you desire a serious debate on the matter - and one rages on despite your feeling regarding the matter - you would serve yourself well to not use worthless ad hominems as your closing argument. It might lend itself better for people's desire to enage you on the matter.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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The sky is green, and the grass is blue - CASE CLOSED



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
reply to post by evil incarnate
 
You asked me how you came off as racist...
and I showed you...
Enough said...



How I came off as racist? What? I do not remember asking you that and I know for a fact you did not show that. What are you talking about?



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
reply to post by K J Gunderson
 
Why is that a problem to you?
It's not racist saying you would like to preserve a race, at all.
Illusions of granger...




Is that sarcasm? I think I lost you here. I think the hatred for Obama and desire to prove this silly conspiracy has gotten so great that it is eating away at people's brains.

Tell me something. Are you or are you not saying it is racist to want to preserve your race?



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 01:51 AM
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First off, as a general rule, I would never get information off a site that finds it necessary to put FACT in its name.

Second, as far as I know, the birth certificate provided is a Live Birth Certificate, not the full long-page certificate. A Live Birth Certificate only confirms he was born somewhere, and that state can provide the basic information such as the who the parents are, DOB, etc., but not the complete set of info.

Third, even if Obama is illegally in office, the government will keep up the act until he's out. So we can whine and point fingers in every direction but it won't matter. If we really want him out, we the people need to act.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by make the blind see
First off, as a general rule, I would never get information off a site that finds it necessary to put FACT in its name.


Get it from places with other names. The name is all that matters, not the content. What do they name birther sites?


Second, as far as I know, the birth certificate provided is a Live Birth Certificate, not the full long-page certificate.


No such thing as a live birth certificate. There are just birth certificates so you seem to be misinformed.


A Live Birth Certificate only confirms he was born somewhere,


Like Hawaii?


and that state can provide the basic information such as the who the parents are, DOB, etc., but not the complete set of info.


Yes, they can and they have.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:11 AM
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Yup! My bad, kinda. The thread I was thinking of was this one that thread is based on the report of the white supremacist.

Maybe the birthers can take this to realize just how convoluted their argument is. That thread starts out with a racist claiming Obama was not born here. This thread starts out by confirming he was.

Both threads, as do sooooooo many others, contain the exact same crap.

-It is a COLB, not a BC.
That is what a BC says on top.
-It is not a long form so it is not valid
Hawaii does not issue long forms and short forms are very valid if you just check.
-it does not have the hospital or doctor name on it.
So, neither does mine.
-He has a CT SSN.
There is a thread on that full of people with SSNs from states they have never been to.
-He dad was british
Obama is not his dad.
-All other presidents have provided all this
When?
-He spent millions hiding things
-Source?


It goes on and on and on. You birthers repeat the same proven lies, never respond to the posted FACTS refuting them, move on to a new birther thread and start over.

To the OP, sorry for confusing your thread with the one from the racist. My one chance to play the race card and I sat at the wrong table.

As much as I would love to feel stupid for posting in the wrong thread, the fact that not one birther even noticed I was referencing a completely different OP in a thread where they have posted all the same crap kind of kills any chance of that happening.



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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Sorry evil incarnate I was not talking to you I made a mistake...I was actually talking to "Jgunderson" I'm truly sorry for that...



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
Sorry evil incarnate I was not talking to you I made a mistake...I was actually talking to "Jgunderson" I'm truly sorry for that...


Now you can apologize for calling me a racist since you seem to think you proved it and you did not. One racist quote from me is all I ask. Just one. Any one. We already had the race card game and I won that so this should be fun.

ONE RACIST THING I SAID OR YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY TOO!



posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by NWOWILLFALL
Sorry evil incarnate I was not talking to you I made a mistake...I was actually talking to "Jgunderson" I'm truly sorry for that...


I was really looking forward to reading that. However that was long before you basically accused me of lying about in U2U (twice!). Not so receptive anymore but at least you did the right thing publicly and I credit you with that.

Being called a racist for no reason is no fun, especially when any idiot with a keyboard can come along and take your word for it.

[edit on 6/15/10 by evil incarnate]




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