Iranian aid ships head for Gaza

Iranian aid ships head for Gaza

af.reuters.com

TEHRAN, June 14 (Reuters) - Iran is sending aid ships to blockaded Gaza, state radio said on Monday -- a move likely to be considered provocative by Israel which accuses Tehran of arming the Palestinian enclave's Islamist rulers, Hamas.

One ship left port on Sunday and another will depart by Friday, loaded with food, construction material and toys, the report said.

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Well folks here it is. Remember what happened last time Israel stopped an aid ship from Iran??


Of course Iran claims they did not send any of these weapons last time and say the paperwork shows that Israel forged it. I think this time the Iranian volunteers will defend the ship....

Either way it is going to be another propaganda war. I wonder if Iran took detailed pictures before it left port......

-Kdial1

af.reuters.com
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[edit on 14-6-2010 by kdial1]

Well Isreal stormed the other ship and killed people so what are they going to do against their worst enemy? Isreal will probably try and get on board this ship, does anyone know if there are any armed people on this Iraninan ship?

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
Isreal will probably try and get on board this ship, does anyone know if there are any armed people on this Iraninan ship?

Is this a rhetorical question?

They didnt necessarily know if the other ship was armed. That is a moot point. It entered their area of operations. They dealt with it accordingly.

This time when they board, they need to do it with real weapons. NOT paintball guns!

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
does anyone know if there are any armed people on this Iraninan ship?

Hardly unlikely unless Iran also bring a navy escort.

Why would Iran want to provoke Israel to shoot up the ship by arming it with soldiers. What would Iran gain by that? World Sympathy! I dont think so.

Iran would gain world sympathy if they actually did bring aid to the people they have sympathy for.

Originally posted by felonius

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
Isreal will probably try and get on board this ship, does anyone know if there are any armed people on this Iraninan ship?

Is this a rhetorical question?

They didnt necessarily know if the other ship was armed. That is a moot point. It entered their area of operations. They dealt with it accordingly.

This time when they board, they need to do it with real weapons. NOT paintball guns!

Shooting someone in the head 3-4 times and killing them firstly doesn't seem indicative of paintball guns, nor is it handling it "accordingly". I'm sure a lot of starving people from their blockade also don't think that their area of operations is being run "accordingly".

It's my understanding that the Iranian ships will not try to break the blockade, as was the case with the Turkish flotilla. I think it is Rafah that they will be porting at, and Egypt will decide what can be brought through.

Honestly, I don't think there will be any major incident from these Iranian ships. If there is any issue at all, it will be later as the aid is transported by land into Gaza. By then, the Iranian ships will likely have already left port--at least that's my understanding of it.

reply to post by Atomic Honey


It just occurred to me that I should add the link to Rafah from Wikipedia. You really have to look at the map for this to make sense and understand we're not looking at the same situation as with the Turkish flotillas. Apples and Oranges.

en.wikipedia.org...

The article that started this thread is written in such a way as to imply Iran is trying to do the same thing as the Free Gaza flotillas, which in fact is not what they are doing.

I wouldn't be surprised to find some Revolutionary Guardsmen dressed in civvies on board these "aid ships". Just some more peaceful volunteers for the cause I'm sure.

Does anyone have any further info on Iran's Society for the Defence of the Palestinian Nation? I can't find anything on them to gain a historical perspective on this group. Everything leads to this upcoming event.

This is nothing more than another attempt to break the blockade. Let's see if they heed the warnings and head to the designated port for inspection. Just more politics and posturing. We all know what the Iranian govt and mullah would like to do to Israel.

All eyes are watching so I don't anticipate much in the way of conflict unless this ship continues to run the blockade in a clearly provocative manner.

Originally posted by felonius

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
Isreal will probably try and get on board this ship, does anyone know if there are any armed people on this Iraninan ship?

Is this a rhetorical question?
They didnt necessarily know if the other ship was armed. That is a moot point. It entered their area of operations. They dealt with it accordingly.
This time when they board, they need to do it with real weapons. NOT paintball guns!

I am quite certain that if a "Peace Flotilla" boat registered to Iran, tried to forcefully enter an American port, that it would quickly become a man-made-reef at the bottom of the ocean.

[edit on 14-6-2010 by Violater1]

I have been trying to post this for 24 hrs on ATS and for some reason could not post the thread .This should answer alot of questions in above threads .


From www.express.uk/post

SEA BATTLE FEAR AS IRAN SENDS FLOTILLA TO GAZA

WARNING: Iran's president Ahmadinejad
Sunday June 13,2010
By Kirsty Buchanan IRANIAN President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has vowed to breach Israel’s blockade of Gaza, as two aid ships and a military escort prepare to set sail.


In a provocative move the ­Iranian Red Crescent was this weekend due to send two vessels packed with food and medical aid and 70 relief workers.

A third ship, carrying an operating theatre, could follow.

President Ahmadinejad raised the spectre of a sea battle as he warned the ships would be carrying an escort of “volunteer marines” ready to “teach Israelis a lesson”.

Ali Shirazi, the Revolutionary Guard’s spokesman for Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said it was “Iran’s duty to defend the innocent people of Gaza”. Foreign Secretary William Hague described the intervention as “unhelpful”.

The blockade has been in place since Hamas took control of Gaza in 2006 despite inter­national concern about a humanitarian crisis.

That concern turned to condemnation on May 31 when, in a raid on a Turkish aid flotilla, nine people were killed by Israeli commandos.

Despite promises of an inquiry the affair has all but destroyed relations between Israel and its main ally in the Muslim world.

Abdolrauf Adibzadeh, the Red Crescent’s director of inter­national affairs, said the ships were being sent in co-ordination with the Turkish government.

Meeting Turkish leaders in Istanbul last week the Iranian president said the vessels would not shrink from a head-on clash with Israeli military.


[edit on 14-6-2010 by 13th Zodiac]

Originally posted by Big Trouble in Little Chi
I'm sure a lot of starving people from their blockade also don't think that their area of operations is being run "accordingly".

I don't understand why the other Arab countries don't, won't or allow the people of Gaza into their country? These people are starving. If Nogles became a refuge city for Mexicans, and America blockaded it, I'm certain that Mexico would allow it's starving people back into Mexico.

Originally posted by Violater1

Originally posted by Big Trouble in Little Chi
I'm sure a lot of starving people from their blockade also don't think that their area of operations is being run "accordingly".

I don't understand why the other Arab countries don't, won't or allow the people of Gaza into their country? These people are starving. If Nogles became a refuge city for Mexicans, and America blockaded it, I'm certain that Mexico would allow it's starving people back into Mexico.

What?

Nogales is a city of Mexico? Of course Mexico would let them back into their own country and America is blockading Nogales as we speak (rightly so of of course as it's a part of Mexico). You analogy is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Now if the USA illegaly occupied the sovereign city of Nogales and starved the people in that occupied city the question is would Costa Rica accept the refugees starved by the illegal inhumane occupation of the USA people of Nogales into it's country.

That's the analogy your looking for I believe.

Glad I could help.

Edit: But to be fair....the Arab nations surrounding Gaza really don't give two treads about the palestinian people. They could care less what fate becomes them, be it starvation or murder. They just uses them as a means to give Israel a headache.

To Bad Israel gets to many pain pills from the US and loves getting headaches.

[edit on 14-6-2010 by Izarith]

I wonder if the Palestinian aid flotilla was a false flag operation and now Iran is sending their own peace activists to see if Israel will do this for real. But then again with this kind of thinking, that could be a false flag as well. How far does the rabbit hole go?

Originally posted by Izarith

Originally posted by Violater1

Originally posted by Big Trouble in Little Chi
I'm sure a lot of starving people from their blockade also don't think that their area of operations is being run "accordingly".

I don't understand why the other Arab countries don't, won't or allow the people of Gaza into their country? These people are starving. If Nogles became a refuge city for Mexicans, and America blockaded it, I'm certain that Mexico would allow it's starving people back into Mexico.

What?

Nogales is a city of Mexico? Of course Mexico would let them back into their own country and America is blockading Nogales as we speak (rightly so of of course as it's a part of Mexico). You analogy is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Now if the USA illegaly occupied the sovereign city of Nogales and starved the people in that occupied city the question is would Costa Rica accept the refugees starved by the illegal inhumane occupation of the USA people of Nogales into it's country.

That's the analogy your looking for I believe.

Glad I could help.

Great post Izarith. Violator1, I imagine its easy to pass off the "well why can't other countries allow..." line when it is irrelevant. One could ask "Why haven't other countries stormed the flotillas and started shooting?", but I think Izarith's reply is a bit more information-filled.

Although there was talk that the revolutionary guards would provide security to the Iranian ships,that now seems off the table,at least according to this Jerusalem Post article:

Nouraee said that the ships would sail without protective security because the Iranians “do not want to fight", however he emphasized that "we are willing to become martyred in this way.”
According to IRNA, a senior official of the the Islamic Revolutionary Guards, Deputy Commander Hossein Salami, has said that escorting the two cargo ships "was not on the guards agenda."

www.jpost.com...

Thats what they are saying anyhow.