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posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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You are only as enslaved as you want yourself to. I chose to create, discover, invent, and write. I am not a slave. Yet I live under the same system you do.

Perhaps it is just that you are not working hard enough on your self.

We have reached quite a height in development, So much so that college no longer guarantees a good life. You have to be more. You are now competing with 6 billion people. You have to be abnormally great to reach it to the top these days.

Of course it can be argued that its too hard, and that its not fair. Well. That's why places like America used to let you work hard and over generations reach a decent level. Hopefully that will return one day.


As far as me, I am not enslaved at all.




posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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people in government use their religion for influence and choice and actively say they rule by x religion. That is their right to, and the right of the people to elect that person.

So it is religion in government.



I find it interesting that I am actually proposing a system with more freedom then you are.

NO Religion in government. Religion is a personal choice - and must never be forced on anyone - - especially by a government "of the people".

Star Trek is a story. There are lots of stories that examine human involvement and history.

I find it interesting you focus on the negative aspects. There were also plenty of stories that focused on evolved beings - - and ways of thinking.

You are selectively picking and choosing.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by teapot

Obama is an Islamic Kenyan. He is not a liberal democrat with socialist ideals, that is just the coat he wears.


Yep.

That's what I thought you meant.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 01:28 PM
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nope. Star Trek was a socialist and communist utopia that the 2nd generation of writers ruined.


And sorry, but what you said is not more free. Many many many peoples associate their religion with supporting basic freedoms. And indeed this creates the needed competition between sides The democratic catholics in America love social justice, supported by their faiths. The right wingers love conservative values, which they support with their religion.

Telling them they cannot mix the religion into government is simply ignoring 10,000 years of human history and the way governments work in many nations. Many people will come with many beliefs and they WILL use those beliefs in their speeches and ways.

Do tell. If the government does not support any on of them, where is the government forcing it? I built a system where you could mobilize if you do not like your local government. you build a system where everyone is mono chromic banned from saying and using their beliefs in government.


That does not work. And in fact, it is one of the very causes of the American revolution. How long until your government fractures? lol, just look at star trek. A generation or two.

mine is more flexible to people's ways. Yours forces a certain way and people cannot use their ways in it. That's not multicultural, that's not diverse. That's dictatorial.


Basically, you are a democracy. I am a republic. yours dies, mine endures.

[edit on 20-6-2010 by Gorman91]



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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Gene wrote the first draft in the 1960s.

The politics of Star Trek reflected the youth "Hippie" movement of the time.

Roddenberry intended the show to have a highly progressive political agenda reflective of the emerging counter-culture of the youth movement. He wanted Star Trek to show mankind what it might develop into, if only it would learn from the lessons of the past, most specifically by ending violence. An extreme example are the Vulcans, who had a very violent past but learned to control their emotions.

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You don't want change or new concepts.

You have no vision. You want the "same old - same old" - - as long as it bends in your direction.

My concept allows basic human needs - - and then levels you can strive to work for. Which means any person with ability can strive for a better life.

I have learned in my life - being born into poverty and then my mom marrying a millionaire - - - that once you have possesions - - your life changes - - it becomes about holding on to those possesions. So basically all money really does is give you better opportunity for choice. You can choose life & family - or possessions. Trying to do both - doesn't seem to really work.

That's why poor people tend to be happier. Their lives are about life and family - - not protecting possessions.

I am not denying 10,000 years of culture at all. Anyone who wants to choose to live that way can.

Those who don't want to be FORCED to live that way - - have the choice not to.

You CAN NOT FORCE people to have a belief. You either personally believe it or you don't.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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I have no interest in controlling people minds. What they think and what they believe.

I'm interested in organization that provides basic human needs to every human on earth.

Then levels they can work for depending on their own desire and application.

Religion - - ALL religions are about mind control. If you choose it - that's one thing. If it is FORCED on you - - that is NOT OK - - EVER!



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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When will people learn that the anti christ is either the united states or backed by the united states



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Jordan River
When will people learn that the anti christ is either the united states or backed by the united states


I don't believe in Christ or the anti-Christ.

Do I believe there is an organized power? Yes.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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The organized power is enough. It is all written and truth.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Jordan River
The organized power is enough. It is all written and truth.


Written where?

And - Who's Truth?



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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You said. no religion in government. That is forcing people to be on eway.

People should be free to bring into government whatever they damn well please. if it fails, or the people do not want it, then get lost. If it works, keep it. But never force it.


It's as simple as that.

There is no force in my government other than forcing an open society. You can huddle if you want, but you cannot force others to isolate with you.


In addition, The current way is not wrong. I fail to see how it is. Currently there is massive manipulation going on making it fail. But without that, it works. It has worked. Because we are 200+ years old nation. That means it works. I take note that the republics like what I describe always last as long as their people guard it. That's the only problem. People forget to guard it. But that's just government. it is the flaw of government, all government. The lax of independent thinking between the 30s to 60s is what caused that. And we are still recovering.


The fact that the current way works can be seen all around. This website works. The tea party movement marches. The government strives, and fears, as the anti incumbent movement grows and swells.

If the current system did not work, this would not happen.


I may not be that old, but I certainly watch and see. All the world has movements towards a republic styled government. And those nations that have such governments have movements curbing the extremes of government.

Simply put, government is realizing its obsoleteness. It's only needed for a few things. If the current way did not work, this realization would not occur. Watch November.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Jordan River
The organized power is enough. It is all written and truth.


Written where?

And - Who's Truth?


It is written within revelation about the one world government. Currency as it is explained.

also

"you are a king then!" said pilate. Jesus answered, You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world to testify the truth./ Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.

what is truth? Pilate asked.


And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[edit on 20-6-2010 by Jordan River]



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Thank you for your explanation.

The bible is of no interest to me - - although I do believe it contains history and political information.

However - - I consider it and religion a tool of man - - interpreted by man.

That is not saying you or it is wrong - - or interpretation is wrong. It is just not a valid (accurate) source for me.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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You said. no religion in government. That is forcing people to be on eway.

People should be free to bring into government whatever they damn well please. if it fails, or the people do not want it, then get lost. If it works, keep it. But never force it.




NO - - they should be able to bring into their own lives what ever they want.

Government is for ALL people - - and needs to be secular.

Ethics does not require an "omnipotent man in the sky". Ethics is logic based.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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It does parallel the birth of the solar system, and evolution since the destruction of the dinosaurs.

7th day never ends.

65 million years. 6.5 days. man is created on the 6th day, man's tree broke off of primates 5 million years ago. Birds and fish were the first species created, and birds and fish were the first species to recover post-dinosaur.

There's crap tons of stuff like that.

But that's off topic. And the Antichrist is Nero. Thus this whole thing is null. PM me if you want to know more. Whatevs.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91


The fact that the current way works can be seen all around. This website works. The tea party movement marches. The government strives, and fears, as the anti incumbent movement grows and swells.


Oh Great! Your a Tea Party advocate.

If the current system worked - - we would not have people starving to death. We would not have Dafur. We would not have education cut because Calif is broke. My granddaughter's grade school just lost 16 teachers.

Here is the average salary of Newscasters:

Salary - $38,931 - $77,092
Bonus - $4,500 - $10,174
Total Pay - $38,000 - $79,414

Here is the average salary of elementary school Teachers:

Salary - $33,074 - $49,808
Bonus - $484.29 - $2,022
Total Pay - $32,566 - $49,967

Here is the average salary of CEO's

Salary - $96,439 - $205,763
Bonus - $10,257 - $73,315
Profit Sharing - $9,645 - $49,932
Commission - $9,785 - $72,835
Total Pay - $99,994 - $256,183

Which has the most effect on our future generation?



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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It does parallel the birth of the solar system, and evolution since the destruction of the dinosaurs.

7th day never ends.

65 million years. 6.5 days. man is created on the 6th day, man's tree broke off of primates 5 million years ago. Birds and fish were the first species created, and birds and fish were the first species to recover post-dinosaur.

There's crap tons of stuff like that.

But that's off topic. And the Antichrist is Nero. Thus this whole thing is null. PM me if you want to know more. Whatevs.


Believe what you want. I'll believe what I want.

Oh - I see you've been reading ProtoplasmicTraveler thread.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 07:33 PM
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a.) Darfaur is not part of the system, as it is not part of America

b.) Teachers are becoming more and more obsolete. Indeed they should be payed for more. But suffice to say, machine will soon replace them


c.) That said, the issue can easily be solved The state can just stop being retarded

d,) California is a highly highly odd state that has taken its own course on things for quite some time now. it has not followed normal regulations and normal rules. It has gone on its own course, bankrupting everyone.

D.) as a child of a teacher, I know what is wrong. Over regulated limitation on teacher's leadership and retarded rules. My mother wasn't allowed to stay after school in the late 90s to tutor a kid.

retarded.


Now. Explain. How do these "break from the pack" states prove the system does not work? Why is it that states that don't go exploding their benefits and manage their pocketbook intelligently do not have these problems?

There is not much left of the old way. But those places that are left, those places where government stays out and people manage their own things, are doing quite well.

To call the current government the old way it to call Communist Russia the same as Japan. It's simply untrue.

St. Augustine was once asked "why did we ever go to Christianity, the nation is dieing!". To which he responded "you are not Christian anymore, that is why it is dieing."

I will take that, and replace Christian with republic.



[edit on 20-6-2010 by Gorman91]



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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No. Do not know about this thread.



posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91

a.) Darfaur is not part of the system, as it is not part of America



Dafur is part of the World.

We are discussing World government NWO.






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