President Obama: "USA to LEAD the WORLD in the New World Order"

Originally posted by triune
How ironic that this announcement was made in Berlin, of all places, as it is Germany that is destined to led the real NWO. The NWO that terrifies and terrorises the whole world; the one that goes forth conquoring and to conquor; the one that imposes the mark of the beast on all who engage in commerce of any type.

That's quite the accusation you made there. How did you come to this? Please supply us with some linked sources supporting your conclusion.

Or, is this speculation?

Obama and USA to lead the world. Um No.
I really think that Russia, China and India will have something to say about that.

Yes you can give me all the spill about the USA having this weapon and that weapon but the sheer numbers of the countries mentioned will have enough to stop that from happening.

You may not like what I have said and may even feel angry that someone could doubt the will of the USA, but the USA is dying as the giant it once was and a new era of super power nations will be upon us.

Originally posted by Y2Zgt
reply to post by ugie1028

 

WOW! You really need to wake up. All this NWO bs is either one of the following; right-winged propaganda, religious propaganda, trolls, or people who haven't done enough research. You are the really sheeple who believe in this BS. This conspiracy theory is outrageous. Why are so many people afraid of globalization? It is the future. Whenever someone hears the buzzword "New World Order" they go bonkers. Keep in mind that this conspiracy somewhat sprang from 911. Much of the 9/11 conspiracy theory has already been debunked.


WAKE UP!

To the contrary there are many unanswered questions about 9-11 and the commission's report does not appear legitimate...its VERY LONG but way off base. One could it say it was DELIBERATELY LONG to discourage most people from wanting to read it!

As for the BP disaster there are a lot of suspicious transactions in regard to short selling stocks a few days prior to the event. I cannot say with certainity that disaster was planned but the american governments response has been very disadequate. Not to mention the british prime minister and mexican president have said NOTHING! Its ONLY BP trying half-ass methods and failing each time.

Right wing propaganda? Religious propaganda? Don't both right wing extremists and religious NUTTERS both vote conservative???

Who is naive? I don't think its me despite the fact your comments were haphazardely aimed. I think you should examine the evidence and make more careful observations. Nothing personal!

Originally posted by Mythic Chris
Why is this a bad thing?
Sooner this than overpopulation and another mass extinction event caused by the destruction of Resources

just sayin.

[edit on 14-6-2010 by Mythic Chris]

If our present day governments are not capable of handling their domestic issues properly, including over-population, what makes you think one planetary government will be able?

Normally the bigger a government is, in terms of how much population and land mass it controls, the more disfunctional and non-caring it becomes.

In other words the people that think NWO can or wants to solve nature's problem, among other big problems, are terribly dellusional! If anything they are going to push for genocide, not long term/gradual population reduction. All the current signs hint towards this!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW, i didn't say "the president pays you"... But there are agencies, and groups paying propagandists to "work for change" and even Obama administration officials have called for conspiracy websites to be infiltrated, such people must be paid, and they want for such conspiracies, and even the websites to "shut them up" one way or another...

[edit on 14-6-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

But one can say the same thing of ANY CONTROVERSIAL matterial being posted on any forumn. We have paid disinfo agents working against ufology, paid disinfo agents working against socialism that are PRO-CAPITALISM, paid disinfo agents that push mainstream religion over spiritualitism, paid disinfo agents against 9-11, paid disinfo agents pushing the over-population hypothesis and even advocating wide scale genocide.....there is no end!

Why do you ONLY focus on anti-right wing propaganda? Is ATS only for right wingers? I don't think so but then again operation gladio seems to have eternal life within it!

In theory the NWO is a great idea indeed. However with the corruption that comes with absolute power (and lets face it this power will be ABSOLUTE) no-one will be exempt from any possible repercussions. There will be nowhere to run and hide when one body governs the entire planet. In my view every corner of the earth will be regimented and restricted by common laws. Religion, race and other diversifying elements will not bode well under a universal system. It will be a case of conform or die.

It has been consistent American foreign policy for decades to project military, economic, and diplomatic power so as to ensure American dominance. This is neither a new nor a surprising doctrine in my view. That is not to say that I have not in the past or do not continue to find such a doctrine personally lamentable. It is merely to say that this doctrine is not the sole purview of this administration.

The previous administration included champions of preemptive warfare, the unitary executive theory (read: near-absolute presidential power,) subdividing the world into global "precincts" of sorts in order to make regional zones more easily "policeable," discouraging or preventing any credible competition from other states, preventing the emergence of any "rival superpowers," and ensuring American "preeminence" for at least the next "century." The previous administration was not the first administration to espouse such a doctrine, and our current administration will not be the last sadly. This is the very essence and nature of nationalism (or in this case, globalism with a nationalist bent) and the military industrial complex, and it is neither new, nor going anywhere anytime soon in my opinion.

Whether one deems that a positive or negative thing is up to the individual, of course. Personally, as I said, I regard it as lamentable. I respect the views of those who feel otherwise.

[edit on 6/15/2010 by AceWombat04]

I trust bankers and investors movers and shakers The National bank and the international monetary fund.

This is ingenious to take a powerful Nation with the slowest multiplying population to be lead by the will of the hyenas and jackals that let our stock markets go unchecked for decades. Why did they repeal the monopoly laws for # sake!

Talk about dragging your dick in the sand just to pol volt into a pile of # and # your self into a death mound!

Now that they turned over the rock of abuses in the Federal system those roaches probably crawled under this rock they present to the United States.

Sounds like the population of the United States is to be the next Germany and
its lead by a nation of freedom who has embraced expansion as a florin policy.

I am not up for being the next Germany of World War 3. This world should never have a New World Oder because it smells like #, No matter how you wrap it!

I am assured these departments have nothing to do with the D.E.A. selling drugs in the United States throughout the 1900's they don't even sell you drugs now.

You got to suck their dick for some freedom. These ass clowns cant even enforce the boarder. Your gonna trust them with your security as a commodity?

The National monitory fund inst a clue into its goals I don't know what else to tell you.

Federal system cant even enforce boarders or put Mexico into check for its migrant population and not fulfilling its federal obligations to its populous.

We should put an act into effect, for every 10,000 migrant workers that work in the U.S. even on guest Visa to their country we get 100 acres of their land
sense they are running a unstable region!

This is political reverse engineering to farther destabilize our freedoms and I
you and everyone you know are expected to enforce it!

I will never cheat on freedom! Never!

Originally posted by brianmg5

Originally posted by triune
How ironic that this announcement was made in Berlin, of all places, as it is Germany that is destined to led the real NWO. The NWO that terrifies and terrorises the whole world; the one that goes forth conquoring and to conquor; the one that imposes the mark of the beast on all who engage in commerce of any type.

That's quite the accusation you made there. How did you come to this? Please supply us with some linked sources supporting your conclusion.

Or, is this speculation?

This conclusion has been reached after many years of study from various sources and an avid interest in world events and history. Now I dont claim to be an expert in any field, but just a seeker of knowledge. However, I do beleive I can recognise true knowledge when I see it.

A gentleman by the name of Herbert W Armstrong (deceased) has been explaining bible prophecy since the 1920's until his death in 1986. He has correctly predicted world events decades in advance, and indeed, he was warning of the rise and ultimate true nature of the EU as early as the final years of WW2.

It is his warning ( from the end of WW2 when Germany was a smoldering ruin) that Germany would rise again to led a "United States of Europe" to world domination. They would accomplish this with the help of the Vatican, who would be the glue (religion) holding the various states together to form the European superstate.

Even now we can see Europe swinging back towards its political stance of the 1930's when Nazism and Fascism held sway. European countries are becoming increasingly anti immirgration and particularly anti Islam.

The Vatican has been quick to monopolise this sentiment with Pope Benedict recently calling for Europe to return to its spiritual roots (Roman Catholicism) or face becoming Islamicised.

We are also seeing the early stages of the disintergration of the present form of the EU. Many present members of the EU will soon leave or be kicked out of the Union (Britian being one) with the final number being 10 nations or perhaps 10 groups of nations.

All of these present and future world events are prophesied in the Bible. Now you cant just accept a little bit of prophecy as coming to pass but say that the rest wont happen. The Bible states that prophecy cannot be broken. It MUST happen.

The below site can explain these things much more plainly than I can hope to.

www.thetrumpet.com

Go to the litrature section and then browse articles for free downloads of prophecy explained. 'Germany in Prophecy' would be the best one for this topic.

Originally posted by triune
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All of these present and future world events are prophesied in the Bible. Now you cant just accept a little bit of prophecy as coming to pass but say that the rest wont happen. The Bible states that prophecy cannot be broken. It MUST happen.

Has it ever occured to anyone that the bible many people think is god's word has been perverted to actually represent satan's will? I am not saying the bible is bs but there seems to be lots of controversy between the NIV and King James version.

Not to mention the elite use mainstream religionS to divide and conquer territory, wealth and ultimately power. The biggest trick the devil ever played was convincing people he does NOT exist and you can bet the elite are sucking up to the devil just by looking at the world's terrible state of affairs.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

The republic is the best. But each local and sovereign nation and government can do what they want for that, unless it restricts people from leaving. Then they will have to allow free access. They don't have to join.


No morality will be enforced. Morality is immoral. Pure logic will be enforced. A free and open society that allows the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I for one do not care for morality. It is not a defined topic. It is not a supportable topic. It is not something that should be used to govern.

There are quite a number of supposed moral issues that can be largely discussed on logical terms on a wide range of issues. The main point of this Union is to allow free local governments to make their own decisions on those matters. Competition will weed out the wrong directions. As those locations needing the most help are obviously doing something wrong and will have to change or be replaced by vote.

What in the world?... What you are talking about IS NOT A REPUBLIC... at least not like the forefathers of the United States founded it to be...

What you are describing is simply a DICTATORSHIP...

"Logic shall be enforced"...

Have you heard/read about the Bill of Rights within the U.S. Constitution?...

Have you heard/read about the First Amendment?...

Let me refresh your memory because you seem to be confusing the United States Constitution with one of a dictatorship...

First Amendment - Religion and Expression


Amendment Text | Annotations

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

caselaw.lp.findlaw.com...


There is NOTHING in the first amendment about enforcing your version of "logic"...

People are FREE to CHOOSE whatever religion, or path/way of life they want to choose...

People are FREE to SPEAK UP their minds, to peacefully assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of gievances...

Your version of a "Republic" is not what the forefathers of the United States agreed on and funded, and your version, or anyone else's should not replace our rights, or our Republic...

You do know that the forefathers BROKE AWAY FROM THE WORLD and funded the new world for it to be A SEPARATE NATION from all others?...

They broke away from Europe, and INCLUDING England... Yet you want the Republic to be part of a Global government?...

You seriously have no idea of what you are talking about if you think that our Republic can exist within a global government....

Our Constitution is The Law of the Land, and no other government can dictate, or should dictate to us what to do, or how to act, and much less "enforce logic"...

[edit on 15-6-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

So finally the Talk is All-Over and the Action Begins and so that means all those who suppose is to either have to die or hide out until things calm down as I feel for those who are about to be killed due to these stupid people and their stupid ways.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

No morality will be enforced. Morality is immoral. Pure logic will be enforced. A free and open society that allows the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I for one do not care for morality. It is not a defined topic. It is not a supportable topic. It is not something that should be used to govern.

I am curious. Not only do I think that statement would not sit well with your own Christians but I also cannot really see many Muslims going for it much either.

You may not care for morality but to some small degree it is a check on people and to remove it would be a disaster. Somewhere the concept of morality has to be supported in order for humankind to survive, and it will not be enforced by individuals.

I too do not like to be told what I can and cannot do, but morality is something needed and is also something that would be absent if to a degree if was not supported, fostered, or even enforced by government.

How also do you 'enforce' logic. Not only it it not possible to 'enforce' logic but for some the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as you said might be compromised by 'forcing' logic on them, especially if like so many humans they are not logical in the first place. Personally I like logic, but I also like morality.

It is not 'logical' to drink alcohol or to smoke, but people do it and it is part of their pursuit of happiness. Your logical New World Order is beginning to look unpleasant I think.

[edit on 15/6/2010 by PuterMan]

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I'll actually make a comparison here for you to understand.

Let us replace logic with engineering, and morality with architecture.

Roll with me, if you dare.

You see, architecture is a never ending debate. No one wins or loses architecture. You make your own as an architect based on your upbringing, experience, and background. It cannot be stated that any one architectural form is right or wrong, just if it obeys reason or not. And reason is logic. Oh you can try ever so many forms of architecture. You are free to as an architect. Yet that does not mean it will work. While architecture can be designed and made into any form, it does not mean it will work nor does it mean it will stand. It is more like a sea.

Engineering, however, is based on math, basic common sense, and logic. It is based on a defined set of rules. It is universal. It works because it is the best. If you deviate from engineering, you will leave what works and get less efficient the more crazy you go. The simple fact is that there is a set of standards that engineering has made law by research and development.

The relationship between the architect and the engineer is a controversial one. The architect, like the sea, wants to spread out. The engineer, like a box, wants you to stay within its limits. In the end, after debate and debacle, the finale say is in the hands of the engineer. Because he is the one that has to make it "stand up". He takes the architects insanity, and makes it stand up to time and the forces.


Now let us return to logic and morality. The above example is simply the facts. Through experience, history, and common sense, we as humans have come to define logically what works and what does not. A simple modern republic that allows its people to keep what they make and to only tax them within a very low standard, maybe 10% of what they make. That is all. No more, and hell yes less when needed.

It is safe to say that logic itself is a form of morality. But the difference between the wide sea of moralities out there is the fact that it is based on a standard that works. That stands the test of time.

You can quote the founding fathers till forever comes. They were right because they understood what I am telling you now. Their morality was based on simple logic and common sense. The most modernist description, reduced down to the simplest forms, are seen int he US constitution. It is safe to say that a global version of this is safe to enforce, because it is not dictatorship.

If you consider forcing an open society a dictatorship, it is foolish. It is very much so a contradiction in and of itself. But it is, at whole, the better path. In America, we have forcefully created openness plenty of times. Things ranging from the destruction of the Jim crow laws and breaking down discrimination, to little more than ensuring soldiers got their pay after the revolutionary war.


Logic works, because logic is defined. Morality fails because everyone has their own morality. Just as the architect and the engineer share an uncanny relationship, so too does morality and logic. There are overlaps. And whatever fits in the box of logic from the sea of morality is perfectly welcome to stay. Deviation is plenty free for you to do. But stray too far from the box and its defined common sense and logic, and it simply is no longer in tune with a free society.

You can chose your religion and your way of life. But do tell me. If a religion included human sacrifice, would you honestly say you are free to follow it? Freedom comes from law. Proper law from logic creates freedom. Unlimited freedom creates dictatorship.

[edit on 15-6-2010 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by Annee
henriquefd & AntiNWO

Seriously - - don't you think its a little bit (or a lot) of both?

I believe there is a shadow government (or more then one) trying to bring all the pieces together for a One World Government.

I also believe there are ego driven power people jockying for position on the surface.

We are talking about Power & Control. P & C has many faces - - even a Pope.

My only hope is there are some good guys in there that care about mankind and want fairness and equality.

I'm not sure where we disagree here. I also believe that the "shadow government" is pulling the strings, however on willing puppets. If they weren't willing they'd resign and find a new profession. And yes, I believe there are ego driven people jockying for position. I think the politicians who allow their strings to be pulled are being promised their own private utopia in the NWO.

There are a few, VERY few, who are working against the NWO, (Ron Paul being one) and will never become president, and will never have any significant legislation passed (like the "Audit The Fed" bill), because the puppets far outnumber the good guys. I have the same hope as you, but my instinct and observations cause me to believe that hope is futile. This is one time that I would be very happy to be wrong.

Originally posted by henriquefd
Sorry, but calling people wrong, doesn't make you right.

Sorry, you're correct about that. I should have said IMO you're wrong.

You call me naive, but you believing that all governments are in it together. That, to me, is what is naive.

Never did I say that all governments are in it together. I said that all world leaders only want what will further empower them. You don't become a leader of a country, and maintain that position, without enormous ambitions of power.

And you claim to know anything about Lula. Dude, you are not brazilian, you probably dont even knwo my country or our political history.

I see. so stupid Americans couldn't possibly know anything of your country, but you know all about the U.S. and our history? That's a bit presumptuous on your part, is it not?

And just so you understand me clearly, I don't like Lula. He is as dirty and corrupt as any other president. But his whole political career is of a leftist who likes to oppose the ruling powers. His government diplomacy has always been one to go agaisnt the US, mainly because the US is one of the ruling powers of the world.

If he TRUELY is against the U.S. then he will eventually be destroyed by the NWO movement. Sorry, but the NWO will not stand for it. Just give it some time.

Why do you think Lula offers so much support to Iran, saying it believes in the right of Iran having nuclear energy for pacific purposes? Lula has his own agenda. He even called US´s view of a New World ORder as something immature, in an interview to one of our news outlets, last year.

Just because a President APPEARS to support another country, does not mean he really supports that country. It only means that country has something that he needs to maintain power or further that power. Countries don't have friends, they have interests.

By opposing the US, Lula builds a stronger image with developing countries and is aiming for the presidency of the UN.

And again, the NWO will destroy him in the end for doing so. Just look at the histories of every country that has opposed the U.S.

You have to inform yourself better. Now, if you ask me, the president before Lula, which was Fernando Henrique Cardoso, that one I wouldn't doubt for a second to be a puppet for the world powers, specially, since he was a puppet for our banks.

I have no doubt that you're correct about that, and that's what the U.S. is going through right now.

I don't believe everyone has the same goal. I don't believe every single president, king and prime minister is willing to give away the sovereignity of his country to this NWO conspiracy of one world government. I do believe, though,that there are several power groups in conflict, and those conflicts are on a global scale.

True enough, however the plan is already written. Those who oppose the NWO will be replaced by those who don't.

It is too easy to just close your eyes and blame it all on TPTB and twist everything to fit into a crazy conspiracy where everyone who has money, power, or status, is an illuminati, part of NWO, etc. To me, THAT is naive and lazy. The world is much more complex than that. It´s not like ALL the powers are againt you.

You're again making far-reaching assumptions about what i think, and it deflates your argument. My view of the world is infinitely more complex than you're assuming just by my 2 comments here. What's simple is believing that the world is black and white, good and evil. That's not my thinking at all. And yes, TPTB are to blame. That's why they're called THE POWERS THAT BE.

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If I dare?... What is this, did I find myself once again in the 5th grade This comment of yours alone tells me you are very young and inexperienced.

You obviously haven't thought about this very much.

Logic changes with time according to the knowledge and experience we attain with time...

The logic in the Middle Ages dictated to people, and even to scientists that the Earth was flat because they didn't have the knowledge, nor the equipment to find out that the Earth is in fact round... These same scientists, and people in general thought that the Earth was the center of the Universe and that the Sun and everything else revolved around the Earth because they could observe the optical illusion of the Sun circling the skies...

Also in the Middle Ages it was "logical to doctors" that when a person got sick, for example if they got the plague the only way to help them was to "bleed the illness out"....

When the train was invented and when they were produced it was "logical" to the people in those times that if the train travelled faster than 30 mph there wouldn't be any oxygen for them to breathe...

It has been like this throughout history... What was "logical" and what the knwoledge and experience told people in olden times was later found not to be true whenever some new discovery was made...

We will continue to learn things, and "logic" as well as knowledge will continue to "change", hence not only is it a bad idea to "enforce" your version of logic, because then we won't be able to make any new discoveries, not to mention that you would create a "dictatorship" because you want to "enforce" such logic.

So what, President Nixon's head was president of earth in futurama and that show started 7 years ago. This is a long time coming and to quote Die Hard 2 "...and there is nothing you can do to stop it."

[edit on 16-6-2010 by guidanceofthe third kind]

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Nothing you mentioned is related to governing with logic and common sense. And because of that, it is irrelevant to what I was talking about.

This World Union would not be involved, let alone care about, how you view the shape of the Earth.

In fact, what I described to you is in perfect correlation to the founding father's desires:

"When [the moral sense] is wanting, we endeavor to supply the defect by education, by appeals to reason and calculation, by presenting to the being so unhappily conformed, other motives to do good and to eschew evil, such as the love, or the hatred, or the rejection of those among whom he lives, and whose society is necessary to his happiness and even existence; demonstrations by sound calculation that honesty promotes interest in the long run; the rewards and penalties established by the laws; and ultimately the prospects of a future state of retribution for the evil as well as the good done while here. These are the correctives which are supplied by education, and which exercise the functions of the moralist, the preacher, and legislator; and they lead into a course of correct action all those whose depravity is not too profound to be eradicated." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Law, 1814. ME 14:142

"I know but one code of morality for man whether acting singly or collectively. He who says I will be a rogue when I act in company with a hundred others, but an honest man when I act alone, will be believed in the former assertion, but not in the latter."

Like it or not, the entire freedom movement the founding fathers were part of, was a view of the world that deemed morality to be dependent on logic and common sense. And that anything having to do with morals, must first prove itself logical. And that a nation must first make logical sense before moral sense.


The facts are plane. Logic, like math, is universal.

Oh yes, logic has changed. But so has morality. The difference? Logic travels in one direction: better logic. Mortality flows everywhere, and never can be defined. You cannot build with liquid water. You can only build with solid things, like ice. Morality is liquid. Logic is solid.

[edit on 16-6-2010 by Gorman91]

Oh. And for all your talk, you failed to point out HOW I am wrong. Just stating unrelated matters.

That would be called:

THE STRAWMAN FALLACY.

[edit on 16-6-2010 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by Dynamitrios
We will have a new world order, but none of their design...

Well, that's a nice sentiment, but I don't see that the world has much time for sentimentality these days, with the ultimate grab for international power going on between corporations and their governmental minions. In this contest, those who can demonstrate the most enormous and naked influence over all strata of life are the players, and those of who write pithy commentary on blogs and forums aren't even pieces in the game play. We are more like components of pieces, like the stitch in the webbing on a shoulder pad, or a hobnail in a boot-heel. We are invisible to the players on the field.

In fact, there is only one way we can make our presence known in this contest. Just as a crucial play can be flummoxed by the failure of some piece of a player's equipment, we can only make our sentiment known by aggressive and aggregate epic failure to comply. Write all the letters you want to your reps and the corporate shills that edit your daily news, you are advancing your cause only by the measure of the number of people who might be motivated to join you when you fail to comply with a direct personal order from the TPTB. Jean Paul Zodeaux on page one of this thread said it first and best: nonacquiescence is our only weapon.

And it is an effective one, especially when employed by large numbers of individuals acting in concert and without affiliation.

[edit on 6/17/10 by without_prejudice]