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Originally posted by piedsniper
reply to post by FearNoEvil
Read the book of Job in the Old Testament. Job was a righteous man in Gods eyes.
I've been following this thread a little and it's turned out to be a list of lame excuses for the indolence of an invisible man that lives in the sky.
Grow up people ! Why does the invisible man in the sky do nothing when "innocent"children suffer ?
Occams razer = Your god is imaginary !
Good things happen = It is god
Bad things happen = It must be satan or some magical plan of gods' that we big children cannot even dream of comprehending.
This sort of BS is still being taught to children, no wonder our world is so messed up, get a grip !
Sometimes bad things happen and sometimes people do bad things, let's start learning to take responsibility for our actions and recognize the fact that accidents happen for no other reason than probability and misfortune.
Originally posted by kiwifoot
Death is a part of life.
Dying is natural.
Children dying is a part of life.
But a baby dying in such a manner, sorry.
Originally posted by myeyeshavseen
How about this; WHERE ARE THE PARENTS OF THESE CHILDREN???????????? I'm a parent and the first rule in raising young children is DONT LET THEM OUT OF YOUR SIGHT, NOT EVEN FOR ONE SECOND!
This isn't something to involve GOD in. People decide to have children and it is up to those 2 people called PARENTS to prevent these kind of things from happening. MOST cases CAN be prevented if people would just pay ATTENTION to their sourroundings. All it takes is 1 second of neglect and your child can be gone.
We cant blame God for human error. Everything bad that happens, we have brought upon ourselves, as a whole, not individually.
It's time to take responsibility for our own actions.
If you want to stop innocent children from dying, start counseling the parents.
Originally posted by Mykahel
reply to post by crazzeeedave
Give me some rules that limit you in ways that go against your natural instincts.
Every single "rule" put in place has your best interest in mind, and that of those around you.
You want to have sex with everything on two legs? Enjoy the STD's, the broken relationships, children with no father, and the lack of any real sense of love.
You want to get drunk all the time? The Bible says nothing about alcohol being sinful, only your slavery to it. Getting drunk is definitely not in your best interest, and having to get wasted because you can't deal with life is no way to live either.
Or maybe violence... You think it's natural to want to hurt things and fight each other? There is nothin wrong with standing up for yourself or defending those you love. If a person laid a hand on my wife I would knock him into next week, and I would do it in front of the church that I am a youth minister in.
What natural instincts are you so limited in that you feel God is just trying to mess with you?
The greatest commandment is this, love God and love people. I don't see how that goes against what we should try to be like in any way, shape, or form.
I think you have this idea of God in your head where he is this mean old man with all these rules when in reality He is trying to show you what a full life really looks like.
Originally posted by kiwifoot
This topic has been simmering away in my mind for some time. It really has bothered me. It was initially brought to my attention by this tragic story.
Baby scalded in pipe burst dies
A 10-month-old baby badly burnt when scalding water poured into her cot has died in Bristol Children's Hospital.
Rhianna Hardie suffered 85% burns in the accident at her home in Taunton, in November. She died late on Tuesday.
I actually cried when I heard this story. I literally broke down. At the time my nephew was the same age as this poor baby, so it really hit home.
Baby killed by falling lamppost in west London named
A baby boy killed by a falling lamppost in a west London street has been identified as Tommy Hollis, who would have been one year old on Friday.
Police found him outside Chiswick Town Hall on Tuesday. He was taken to hospital by air ambulance but died.
I mean seriously, what the heck. How can there possibly be a God when you see stories like this? The first one, can you imagine the pain and suffering that this baby went through? The agony of the parents.
If there was a God, and he was all powerful like most religions profess him to be.
How could God allow suffering like this to occur?
Why did he let a lamp post fall on a little baby?
Don't tell me about human self determination, about man's will, that is total BS. The usual answer goes "God doesn't cause famines, Mankind causes famines". Yes, and a man put up the lamp post and installed the boiler. However if I were God (and I really loved the World), I'd want to stop poor little babies suffering and dying in freak accidents.
The crux of the matter is this, if there is a God, he let that baby scald to death, rather than intervene.
He let that lamp post fall, just at the split second the child was passing.
No God who does that is worthy of being God.
Yes there are examples of "miracles"....
Newborn baby is catapulted from car at 70mph in motorway horror... and SURVIVES
A six-week-old baby boy has survived being catapulted from a car travelling at 70mph.
Jonathan Samuel was flung out of his father's car after a tyre blew, causing it to spin six times before smashing into the central reservation of the M6 near Wigan.
However in my eyes this doesn't excuse God for NOT PREVENTING young Rhianna Hardie's suffering, her family's pain and her tragic death.
I am struggling deeply with this, I cannot beleive that there is a God when I see these examples.
Any thoughts ATS?
DISCLAIMER: Please don't let this be interpreted as an anti-religion thread. It's a serious, well intentioned question.
All the best ATS, Kiwi
[edit on 13-6-2010 by kiwifoot]
Originally posted by thegreatestone
god didnt let this occur to them babies, it occurred, we have freewill and it messes things up, if god was present how could he watch everyone at the same time.
What is your motive for infringing on my freedom of religion?
Would you like me to fall in line with your theory? If so, state your case. Convince me your theory is fact.
Serious question regarding "free will" which I believe in myself. But here goes God gave us free will to live our lives as we choose with the hopes of following his commandments, ok cool.