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Martial Law in Puerto Rico???

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posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Martial Law in Puerto Rico???




AIBONITO, Puerto Rico (AP)
Cradling an M-16 rifle, Army National Guard Lt. Anthony Santiago stares
down cars at a police checkpoint in his latest mission: helping to stem a
vicious crime wave in Puerto Rico's central mountains.

To Santiago, who previously served with the Army's 82nd Airborne
Division, manning a checkpoint here makes him feel like he is back in
Iraq except for the lush green surroundings and the lack of respect
shown by criminals compared to the suspected militants he detained
during the war.

Fortuno initially dispatched soldiers to the capital, San Juan, and other
high-crime metropolitan areas in February, then agreed to send them to
the mountains a month later at the request of local mayors. As many as
1,000 will be activated across the island.


www.foxnews.com...


[edit on 13-6-2010 by boondock-saint]




posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 02:39 PM
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I know how we're all skiddish about Army Troops
patroling America's streets. So I thought I would
bring you this story from Puerto Rico.

Your thoughts???



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Im on the fence with the Mil. working as LOE
and with the way the US is going that pic could be taken here in a few years



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by hillbilly4rent
Im on the fence with the Mil. working as LOE
and with the way the US is going that pic could be taken here in a few years

a few years???
I don't think it will take that long.
By the end of this yr
is my estimate.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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I am for military support here in the states, but it will not work if our freedoms are as limited as they are. People cannot smoke pot or eat mushrooms, people cannot build controlled fires in the beach, the united states is crapping all over its citizen's freedoms. It's a super controlled system that people always have to be looking out just in case they accidentally break any laws.. Imagine how bad its going to get once the military gets involved.




posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by drkid
the united states is crapping all over its citizen's freedoms.

you said a mouthful there

yep, losing freedoms and rights is my
main concern.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by drkid
the united states is crapping all over its citizen's freedoms.

you said a mouthful there

yep, losing freedoms and rights is my
main concern.


Freedom and rights don't go together. Where there are rights there is no freedom.



[edit on 13-6-2010 by DangerDeath]



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by DangerDeath
Freedom and rights don't go together. Where there are rights there is no freedom.

lol
I could argue that point all day
but I'll save my breath



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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reply to post by drkid
 



It's a super controlled system that people always have to be looking out just in case they accidentally break any laws.. Imagine how bad its going to get once the military gets involved.



I remember the history of Rome forbid the Army from entering the city, as it would be seen as an occupation.

I would tend to agree today with that assumption.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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reply to post by boondock-saint
 



you said a mouthful there
yep, losing freedoms and rights is my
main concern.


And a good concern it is, since if the military starts entering cities it won't take long for all rights to go out the window.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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odd, in the picture it looks like a sgt. Hernandez?

*edit - no pic on main article - has it been removed or did OP source it?

[edit on 13-6-2010 by ainsley]



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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sounds like you just want a good old fashond beach party lol
i wouldnt be happy with british troops were on my streets for the same reasons as you.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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To Santiago, who previously served with the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, manning a checkpoint here makes him feel like he is back in Iraq except for the lush green surroundings and the lack of respect shown by criminals compared to the suspected militants he detained during the war.


This part stands out to me the most. Are they implying that militants adhere to a code of honor? Mybe we really don't understand what is behind their motives...



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Freedom and rights don't go together. Where there are rights there is no freedom.

lol
I could argue that point all day
but I'll save my breath


Don't argue.

For instance, what is "right to live"? How do you exploit it? After you're dead, you simply evoke this right and get yourself resurrected... Bingo! This particular right is totally a mock.

Check-point. First they stop you, then they determine whether you have right to pass or not. That's far from freedom. Freedom to go and right to go are different, in this case - opposite things.

You have right not to smoke. Etc... This is not aimed against smoking, it is aimed against smokers. You have right to buy cigarettes but no right to smoke - silly...

The things are like this. You have no right to talk back to the authorities. That is denial of rights, but not of freedom. You are free to break the law. Then, you have right not to talk! If you talk, it might be held against you. They could twist everything you say or do. This is not a very stimulating right. Actually, it only supports the absence of right to "parley" with authorities. This is total absence of freedom in face of the authorities.

So you see, they impose rights on you in order to deprive you of freedom.

In the particular case presented by the OP, the authorities first allowed criminal activities to escalate, and then they impose measures which put everyone under scrutiny - they don't have a mechanism which determines in advance who has or hasn't right to go. They determine it as an oppressive measure aimed against all. No one guarantees they will really stop the criminals, but they will stop you, thus momentarily depriving everyone of their "right" to freely go. That is the real purpose of such a measure.



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by ainsley
odd, in the picture it looks like a sgt. Hernandez?

*edit - no pic on main article - has it been removed or did OP source it?


www.google.com...

was an alternate page with same story.
Pic on right side of page.
Both were AP stories.

Oh, I see what you're saying.
Yes the photo was Sgt Hernandez
but the article was about another soldier.
I'm sure AP used it as a stock photo
for the story.


[edit on 13-6-2010 by boondock-saint]



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Here's some stuff some people may not know.

Even though "Puerto Rico's head of state is the President of the United States."



Its current powers are all delegated by the United States Congress and lack full protection under the United States Constitution.




(it) has no voting representative in the U.S. Congress




Since 1917, people born in Puerto Rico are U.S. citizens. However, federal electoral law does not grant a vote to any citizen who does not live in, or qualify as an absentee resident in, one of the fifty states or the District of Columbia. Thus, people who have always lived in Puerto Rico cannot vote in federal elections


Quotes from Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org...

They are a kind of occupied colony of the United States under a more polite name.



posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 10:01 PM
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I am from PR, born and raised,

we are not a state..we are not a part of the US...we were invaded in 1898 by General Nelson Miles of the USA and as is customary, the US never left.


PR is a test ground for martial law in the USA...get used to it..its here..

we have had checkpoints here for years..
first it was regular cops then swat type teams with heavy guns and all sorts of gear- now it looks like a scene from a movie...flood lights..traffic halted...ppl getting harrassed..cars searched without warrants....I have had to walk under two m16 crossed rifles with my son in my arms, just to get by the police who wont move for citizens. PR is a very strange place right now...it seems we are being made to give up our basic decency so they can "protect" us from these invisible enemies that they create, train, and weaponize such as bin laden the economy and our neighbors...

god help us...



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