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Oil Leak + Evidence = Unfathomable Disaster ! Government Not Talking to Avoid MASS PANIC! The Earth

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posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 11:09 AM
For all the people that do not think a volcano erupting under the sea is dangerous:

Experts: Undersea volcano may collapse, cause tsunami

The walls of the largest underwater volcano in Europe could collapse, releasing thousands of tons of magma, which would trigger a tsunami that would likely inundate southern Italy, experts at the National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology told CNN.

The Marsili volcano, which has an active magma chamber, also has areas losing magnetism and a large amount of weak and permeable rocks supporting it, which researchers said means that the walls could essentially crumble at any time with the right seismic activity. And if that happens – the result could be catastrophic.

“Collapses of large portions of submarine volcanic rocks represent a major risk for tsunami generation producing some of the most destructive events,” according to an article co-written by Cosmo Carmisciano, who works with the he National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology (INGV).

Researchers have discovered that portions of the Marsili volcano have already collapsed - and history has shown that the Tyrrhenian Sea, where Marsili is located, has a past evidence of tsunamis.

“Similar large collapses may well take place in the future of Marsali,” Carmisciano said. When it happens is anyone’s guess – the Marsili volcano hasn’t erupted since researchers began watching it.

But below the surface, researchers say the Marsili is definitely active and an eruption could come at anytime. If a tsunami was triggered, it could impact the areas of Sicily and Sardinia, researchers said. “It could even happen tomorrow," Enzo Bosch Boschi, president INGV told Italy’s Corriere della Sera.

"A rupture of the walls would let loose millions of cubic meters of material capable of generating a very powerful wave."

posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 11:13 AM
BP admitted they can cap anything UP TO 80,000 barrels a day (a bit more than their 20,000 "estimate" earlier on in May.)
The point anyway is that there must be cavities starting to open up underneath the Leak, you can't just have 80,000 barrels of oil leaking a day without it having to come from somewhere. And thats a lot of ground weight above it

posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:04 AM
I've followed this thread for a while now and seen nothing particularly earth shattering.

I'd like to make a prediction if I may:

Whilst the events that have unfolded and continue to do so are horrifying for those directly and indirectly affected, and my thoughts genuinely do go out to them; I cannot help but feel that once a solution is found and effected, this will pass into the memories of all but the affected parties mentioned above, much as most of the major events of the past few decades have.

Conspiracy guys will keep on devising ever more amazing links and connections to sinister plots and god knows what kind of other entertaining stuff.

The affected will campaign for justice and sue the necessary people (Rightfully in most cases).

The media coverage will fade into nothing.

Everyone else will forget.

And most importantly, all the 'We're all going to die' guys on here will either feel very sheepish, will completely reverse their stance, or will go quiet for a while.

Either way, I predict that this will be no more than a drop in the ocean similar to all other 'Major Disaters' that only become categorized as such when the human emotion element is involved.

The world will keep turning and no underwater volcanoes will blow up half of the universe.

A tragedy; for all involved including wildlife and eco etc, but not the end of the world or even life as we know it.

posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:37 AM
BP admits it can't cap the well as if they do it will blow

Originally posted by RUDDD49
BP admitted they can cap anything UP TO 80,000 barrels a day (a bit more than their 20,000 "estimate" earlier on in May.)
The point anyway is that there must be cavities starting to open up underneath the Leak, you can't just have 80,000 barrels of oil leaking a day without it having to come from somewhere. And thats a lot of ground weight above it

posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 06:53 AM

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
BP admits it can't cap the well as if they do it will blow

Originally posted by RUDDD49
BP admitted they can cap anything UP TO 80,000 barrels a day (a bit more than their 20,000 "estimate" earlier on in May.)
The point anyway is that there must be cavities starting to open up underneath the Leak, you can't just have 80,000 barrels of oil leaking a day without it having to come from somewhere. And thats a lot of ground weight above it

AFAIK this is not the biggest oil leak we have had, infact its somewhat smaller and has a long way to go to get to the top of the list.

Personally I dont think they will use a nuke or stop the flow as they will rather want to find a way to harvest the oil, the small fine they have to pay is nothing compared to the money they can make off this oil well

My best guess is in a month or more a new oil rig will be set up to get the oil, the oil spill will stop and a clean up operation will be well on its way. A year after that BP will be smiling from the profit it is making

posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 10:40 AM

Your batholith talk just doesn't add up with me.

I am a prospector and knwow a bit about geology, and have geologist friends.

I asked the to look over the scenario that you mentioned and here is his reply.

This man knows his stuff....

"Even on a most elementary level if they believe that a batholith/pluton is cooled magma (intrusive igneous formations) that would make it......rock. Kinda hard to have that fitting though that itty bitty pipe. We find batholiths at surface now as masses of igneous rock that were at one time deep underground affecting the area metamorphically. We also know of batholith structures that are still buried and use them as indicators of historic "heat engines" that drove geological processes. They offer little threat to anyone unless they drop a sample of the now cold igneous rock on their foot.
They might be suggesting that the well penetrated or compromised a magma chamber.
If the oil was that close to an active heat source of that magnetude it would have been a LOT more exciting - if the oil and gas had suvived it to the point that it could even be drilled that is or if the drillers had survived the initial penetration into a zone of super heated and explosive volatile cocktail of gas and oil products.
Even if they drilled close to a cooling mass of intrusive igneous rock that had a meaningful heat output would have resulted in some exciting times but no lava pouring up the drill string.
Unlikely that it would have been designated as a drill target in the first place.
Perhaps they are going to suggest that companies should install magma blowout preventers.
As for "blowing a volcano" and affecting the earths axis - to put this

We have more things to worry about than Batholiths around the oil spill.

No more fear mongering PAX! We're all scared, I know.

posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:27 AM
reply to post by GioTheGreek

Thank you for your knowledge. Yes, I know I misspoke my self regarding the plutons. However, I 'm sure you did not read the entire thread, as I know it is long. I have said the biggest crisis other than the toxic fumes that people are inhaling daily in the gulf region, the toxic rain that will come is this.

I stated this earlier, but since you missed it I will say it again. This MAY happen.

Most of us know the Well is going to give way. When that happens the salt pillar walls will collapse, due the weight of the BOP. The gulf floor is very soft. and will not be able to handle the 450 ton BOP it will collapse the Gulf basin rather an implosion. After that takes place a huge tsunami will occur. I am not going to speculate on the height or speed it will travel, because that is anyone's guess. It will however, travel several miles inland destroying everything in it's path.

If you do not think an event like this would throw the Earth off it's axis you are wrong. I clarified several pages back, that I was not talking about knocking the Earth out of orbit. I am talking about a slight variation in the Earths axis.

This did occur in the Thailand tsunami with was only 20 feet. I will reference again.

Tsunami shifts Earth Shanghai Star. 2005-02-17 THE massive earth-quake that triggered the Asian tsunami wobbled the earth on its axis, forced cartographers back to the drawing board and changed time by a fraction, but there's no need to adjust your clocks.

I am not trying to scare people for the hell of it! So no I'm not a fear mongerer. Read over my OP and you will see this sentence: I BELIEVE THIS MAY HAPPEN!! There is no absolute in an opinion.

There is a greater danger in becoming complacent and thinking "everything will be okay! If the Government is not shooting straight with us which they are not, the media gives us bits and pieces, the people in the area report something different than what we have been told, then I think common sense says, something is up.

Not one time throughout this thread have I claimed this event will extinguish civilization.

If you think this will not change the Earth as we know it, think again! Our entire Eco system has changed due to the leak that cannot be stopped.
Yeah, that seems like a life changing event to me.



[edit on 18-6-2010 by paxnatus]

posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 11:38 AM
reply to post by paxnatus

Ok Cool Pax...

I also worry about the gas.

If I was anywhere near the area, I'd have one for sure. I am a bit west of the gulf stream right now, but if it starts coming up this way en masse, I'll be purchasing one too!

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 09:06 AM
reply to post by paxnatus

Oh yeah..... link to a video by a guy who hates America and Capitalism...... that's good.

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 09:34 AM
reply to post by facedo

What is wrong with you people?. Until when are you going to think that USA is the only country in the world? This is not about USA coast or mexico golf or USA continental... this is worldwide death... extintion... anhinilation... DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ? ..

Dude ya got to watch this short vid (comedy) so you will understand..

America is the greatest, best country which God gave man on the face of the earth

[edit on 19-6-2010 by whatsup]

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 09:40 AM

Originally posted by ziggyproductions05
I'm losing hope. there is almost NOTHING i/we can do here. Just think of the worst possible situation and thats what will happen. I am not fear mongering, just being honest. This could very well be the end. All we can do is pray/hope for the best. God save us.

No, I cannot let anyone accept this belief. You, me, and the rest of the world's "little people" HAVE been doing something. Every time we get a bit of news or an insider's leak, we blast it all over the internet for anyone with a connection to read and think about it.

The original post presents the theme that there is more to this oil drilling than we were told. It is not impossible that BP and it's partners could tap into a stretch of recently hardened crust to get at a massive oil pocket only to find out later that the crust under the oil pocket is too thin which could explain the resulting pressure forcing more oil to the surface than was originally predicted.

"Just because a catastrophe is possible", experts say, "does not mean it is probable." Modern people's way of life has been based on this one claim and look at what has been accomplished within the last 300 years. Unfortunately, ignoring the possible will result in being unprepared, such is the case with this oil spill.

Is the original poster's concerns the cause of the extra pressure that caused faulty equipment and lax supervision to result in a major oil spill? Or could the extra pressure be the result of the weight of the sea? Perhaps, the gas pockets trying to escape was the result of the unaccounted additional pressure? We just don't know because all these were only possibilities when they began to drill.

Fear is a motivator. Fear is used to push people into making decisions. Here again, the theory of probability trumps possibilities. People's fear can be used to stop off-shore drilling. This is a probability; however, the possibility is that people may start a panic instead. Again, probability versus possibility: will they turn to any leader that promises to ease their fears; will they doe nothing; or will they grow in numbers to cause a major revolt? Possibilities are endless but the probability is that the people will turn to someone who offers the illusion of having answers.

Is there a reason to be concerned under the oil-drilling site? Of course there is. Will it create a problem? Probably not but that does not mean a major problem is not impossible. What do we do? We do what we have always done and that is go where the odds take us. It’s called taking an educated risk, otherwise known as gambling.

I spoke with a number of my peers to learn about the possibilities and probabilities regarding worst-case scenarios. Although it is not impossible to cause the original poster's concerns to come to the surface, it is improbable that it would cause a major explosion. Reason is surface temperature, pressure ratio, and a host of other variables that I am still trying to get my slow brain to process. The most damage it would PROBABLY cause is an ooze into the pocket to replace the depleted oil and gas, eventually making its way up to seal the well and maybe even lead to a new island if all the conditions are met. Then again, if other conditions are met, it is POSSIBLE that something worse can happen.

We just don't know with 100% certainty. Do we stop with the possibilities or push on believing on probabilities or do we choose "C” Nothing, let someone else do something.

You may think that a possible disaster would cause mass panic. It's possible but I disagree that it is probable. I believe that taking away option "C" would cause a mass panic. My prediction is not only possible and probable but I think it is a guarantee. Most people don't care about possibilities and probabilities, they only care about living an uninterrupted life where they don't have to make decisions, don't have to worry about consequences but they are all for accepting the benefits.

Do you want to know what you can do? Give direction to the masses that prefer to do nothing. At least they like to make their concerns known so you plant a concern for the world to see and I do mean posting on something besides ATS. It usually takes around three weeks to a month before my leak to the press gets the attention of the masses forcing someone at the top to acknowledge the concern. I already proved this with another topic and that topic was the source of how the mishap led to more than what it should have been. I will send a message for the keywords you need to track. Can't give it all to you, otherwise I will be tracked back to this site and I guarantee I will be discredited and my future insider reporting will halt. Hell, I might even end up in a cushy jail jail cell, never know about the possibilities. Watch and learn what you can do!

posted on Jun, 19 2010 @ 10:08 AM
Probably the possiblities are predictable.

But not by me.

I am Guessing

posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 12:04 AM
I'm gonna post an excerpt of an article, and then if you would please look at the live feeds of the ROV.

Just want your opinion, whatever is going on with the sea floor, you have to see.

"Extreme Crusextraction" "The Macondo oil prospect is an immense deep-Earth oil and gas reserve located below the northern Gulf of Mexico. It is named after the cursed town in Gabriel Marquez’s book “One Hundred Years of Solitude.” Since it’s discovery, geologists knew it would take advanced drilling techniques to successfully access the reserve, – it would not be a conventional offshore effort.

The contents of Macondo are also not particularly high quality, it is full of methane, natural gases, sulfur, and tarry oil. The current gushing wellhead is essentially an asphalt volcano.

As you can see on the beach, or through what images are in the news, it is a rusty, reddish crude which gives off the stink of sulfur. Due to the composition of the mass, and the difficult geology surrounding it in the undersea Mississippi Canyon, the method chosen to access the slurry of crude was (and is) highly controversial, and illegal.


posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 03:56 AM
All I can say about this that I live in Southwest Florida. I have now been sick for 4 days with breathing problems, chest pains, rash, headaches. I'm going to the DR in a couple hours but today things got worse. I would go outside today and the air is so thick and wierd. I would be inside and start feeling better then go outside for 5 min and cant breath again and I'm not the only one. I know of 7 ppl right around me that are feeling the same and I'm hearing more and more. I am extremely worried and things are not seeming right and facts are pointing to this being bad. I believe everyone in the gulf needs to watch this very close. I will post back what the dr said. I just putting this out there so ppl know what some of us are experiencing down here

posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 04:50 AM
There (is) will be no cleaning effort.
They intend to extract oil directly from sea water.
Be warned.
This is war.

posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 09:29 AM

Originally posted by DangerDeath
There (is) will be no cleaning effort.
They intend to extract oil directly from sea water.
Be warned.
This is war.

If salt can break down oil contaniments, wouldn't you turn the ocean into a mega facility? But no, I disagree that there will be no clean up effort. There will be clean up companies in the area for anyone willing to allow BP, the partners, and a few different governments to put their hand in your pocket while you do all the work. It is, after all, the American way! You get rich but you also make others richer, otherwise, it wouldn't be allowed.

posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 05:32 AM
The earth is a living thing NOT a machine to be 'managed' or 'controlled'.
Man has gauged her main artery and CANNOT stem the flow. She will either keep bleeding until she 'passes out' OR be healed from some other force in nature. So, for me, at this point, any more talk of tsunamis or underwater volcanos etc is moot. Trying to second guess what may or may not happen down in her depths and hypothesising with sundry dilemmas makes us almost as arrogant as the BP Gods who created this nightnmare in the first place! ALL Conjecture (and in BP'S case SANDALOUS hubris!) We just don't know. We don't have control over Nature (I'm talking REAL control here) We never did and we never will. We just have get on with living your lives to the absolute best of our ability while respecting ALL OTHER LIVING ORGANISMS! We are all made of the same stuff remember...Even the stars.

posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:13 AM
I am no scientist or can even remotely claim to be otherwise intelligent to the means of grappling these issues.

But what i know is this.. oil will displace water. Does tht mean the water will start to be sucked in to fill the area the oil was at?

Magma .. that just scares me stupid. Water with hot molten magma? that just has me thinking explosions. One part of me says the magma will cool forming a cap? Will it be enough to seal it. Another part of me is thinking and explosion if large enough could, end life as we know it... extinction or real close. Theres a lot of pressure, from below and above.

When i think of the gases that are now evident according to the EPA, do we even have a chance? Alright so we manage to continue to survive.. but now we suffer horrendouse cases of cancer and deformitys. Lovely.

Humans really screwed things up this time. Tell your family members you love them, make right with your religious beliefs and may God (or other) have mercy on your soul, because there is no way of getting out of this one alive and well.

Hurricane season is upon us. Weather is pretty warm, and we all know that adds to the gulfs temps that fuel a hurricane.

I cannot come up with any possible way to seal off these multiplying plumes. The pressure below is too great. I live in Florida, and I refuse to follow the news on this subject. Why? because the only thing i get out of it is death. That is the end point I am seeing. Death of sea life, our oceans, food source, our health... all gone. Can anyone else see the greater powers that be looking down upon us sadly shaking their heads ???

Please let me be wrong, and let there be a solution to this mess. A way to clean everything up ( and safe disposal of this mess) and for us all to have a somewhat healthy planet that we can continue to work with. In light of things, I am doubtful.

posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:43 AM
Vision 2010 - You just said you won't follow the news were you are cause all you're getting out of it is death yet you have just spread the same feeling in your post!
You must know the one sure fact of life- none of us is getting out alive, oil leak or no oil leak, volcano, earthquake, what ever....Death is a certainty the second we're all born. No one likes to say it because it makes us feel bad but there it is. We can be as cautious, healthy, smart etc but it will get us all in the end. FACT. In light of this BP debaucle (and I agree with you that it does seem to spell disaster all round) we should be focussing on the good we can bring and live each day as though it is our last which should have always been doing anyway regardless of disasters. It was ever thus. It's just that some div has screwed it up for ALL of us NOW! It has hit us round then head and woken us up to our mortatality. Would I like to live a long, prosperous life? Of course. Would I like to slap the powers that be at BP for potentially taking away my children's future and shortening mine? You'd better believe it but it's a moot point now. We don't know what may happen. We're not in charge. Absolutely we must spread the word so people may be galvanised to do SOMETHING but meanwhile Carpe Diem my friend.

posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 08:16 AM
reply to post by 5senses

My apologies, my post was dismal. It saddens me greatly and its a reality i do not wish to face on any level.

We have all faced rough times in the past. What i should have stressed is FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND GOOD TIMES. Cherish them. Create them. Most of all pull together. I find myself going into the woods often now, seeking Mother Natures embrace. For while there are horrors on our world, we can still find beauty and grace. Peace my friends, and again, my apologies.

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[edit on 6/21/2010 by Vision2010]

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