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Should We Believe Bob Lazar?

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posted on Aug, 28 2010 @ 11:12 PM
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Glenn Campbell has a nice section on his website debunking Lazar. A pleasant read.
Bob Lazar debunked by Glenn Campbell




posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by FireMoon
I'm not totally sure i trust Stanton Friedman in everything he says. I have my personal seasons for this, given his lack of, seeming, willingness to go track down a very important witness from the Roswell case. There are times when i suspect that Stanton is of the opinion that. if he didn't un earth it, or was not involved in its' unearthing it's not due serious consideration when it comes to Roswell.




I COMPLETELY agree with this, with respect to stanton!



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by Marrr
Glenn Campbell has a nice section on his website debunking Lazar. A pleasant read.
Bob Lazar debunked by Glenn Campbell


Campbell said in there.


The simplest theory to explain the Lazar story is that it is completely false and that he concocted it initally to fool John Lear, who had been telling extravagant aliens-at-Area-51 stories for a couple of years before Lazar arrived. Lazar could have simply fed back to Lear a more rational version of what Lear wanted to hear.


That would have been the simplest theory, but I don’t think that John Lear is so easily fooled.

And then another important thing, if Bob Lazar did not worked where he said he was, working on these crafts at groom lake, how then was he able to know exactly when and where there would be a test fly of one of those a crafts?


John: ... And Bob said, “They’re going to test fly tomorrow night. Do you want to go see?” And I said, “Yeah, but where can we go?” He said, “I know a back road to the test site without getting on illegal property. You can see it.” I said, “Great.”


And John with other witnesses saw that craft/UFO with their own eyes.


Then we saw it. It was about 9 o’clock. A light comes up that starts going this way and that way and everything and I’m trying to get this scope with an 8 inch diameter lens focused on the UFO. And of course there’s no way; that thing is too big and too cumbersome. Well anyway, at one point the saucer stopped and I got it nailed in. I said, “I got it! I got it! I got it!” The saucer was about maybe 30, 35, 40, maybe 45 degrees angled. It was yellow and radiating something off it. And I said, “I see it! I see it! Gene, quick take a look.”


projectcamelot.org...


[edit on 29/8/10 by spacevisitor]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 04:46 AM
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Here you go, George Knapp's findings.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And John Lear didn't really work as like an agent for the CIA he flew a few planes for them to deliver cargo. No big deal. Watch his Project Camelot interview.

John lear wasn't the only witness, He took his wife out there and A guy called Gene Huff which backs up his story.

Your right anyone could run a business but it just supports his claim that he isn't a con man, Why would he need to lie about UFO's when he has a business which is booming.

At the end of the day you gotta go with your gut.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 10:08 AM
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hmmmm.... there were some references in the recently released files by the uk-mod...




ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk... @ DEFE 24/1983/1




posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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i am not CIA but I did or was chosen in SERPO MILABs projects by a secret FBI agent who also was chosen under M-12 and whom i spoke to when i was about 7. This is a true account of what else I know and if you want to disbelieve the truth for another lie go ahead but let me clearify that the missing M-12 files were located by Freidman reports to have been located through FBI files that should bring clarity to my statements and secret contacts with SERPO, MILABs, and alien contacts from other worlds.

As you all know, SERPO was a Exchange Program conducted between the govt. and alien contacts during the 60's and 70's. I was born in the military in 1965 that brings me in direct alignment with SERPO Exhange Program. Now what Bob Lazar and many other UFO conspiratists alleges is that during this phase the govt. and ET made a "deal" to conduct exchanges of ET technology in an exchange the govt. would not interfere with ET or MILABs projects involving abductions and experiemntations on humans and cattle mutilations. Why do we see TR crafts and unmarked black helicopters over UFO hotspot regions where cattle are mysteriously mutilated? It is all part of SERPO's Exchange Program and I would not be releasing this info if it were not true. Lazar was onto something big, and he got caught in the 80's during which time Ronald Reagan's "superbaby project" or "star children" taken out of SERPO and MILABs were exteneded but this project came to an abrupt end during Reagan's Presidency. I am one of those starchildren chosen by the SERPO MILABs alien contact agent who I spoke to and this is how our meeting went:

SERPO/FBI/MILABs Agent: "I have been on many missions and have contacted alien beings present on nine other worlds. Of the nine worlds I have been to, all are good except one" "This is my last mission to go and meet with extraterrestrials where I have a joint meeting with a (Federation of Worlds). Peace has been made between earth and these other alien worlds through secret meetings. My secret meetings involve secret locations and land marks where i secretly return back to give (Exchanged ET information and technology) to secret govt. contacts at secret locations-- (FBI and M-12) under Eisenhower. I will not be returning back this time and you must go to the secret marked location to retrieve a briefcase. In the briefcase will contain everything so when FBI agents come looking for me you must take it to FBI captains who will know what to do." "there will be a bloody war for what the other aliens have done!" end discussion and i never saw the agent again.

I went to the secret location on a marked hill and retrieved the briefcase. Two days later the agent did not return to his marked location and several teams of FBI agents were searching for him near our last contact on a secret base i cannot disclose. But, before i took the briefcase to the FBI captains in search of the missing agent, i had to look inside the briefcase. Inside the briefcase contained 80 pages of documentation confirming what the agent had told me about the Fedceration of Worlds; at the end was a description of another alien species who I have determined to be invaded on earth to be the Reptoids, Draconians, and possibly some MIBs who may be responsible for UFO disinformation and ruining credible witnesses testimonies. The draconian alien species have been recently cited in Israel where the invcasion incurs and is thought by many Israelites to be a type of demon who can shapeshift itself into different eben forms. Of course let's remember not all the ET's are demonic, but there is one who unquestionably is! Danger underground! earth will become desolate if the secret "Black Wars" (Dulce) are not won for earth which brings me back on my final mission to assist earth into the final ascension of man.
I did not make this up, Bob Lazar is partly correct, but the MILABs and SERPO projects are for the good of man for ET to assist the earth- more



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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And then another important thing, if Bob Lazar did not worked where he said he was, working on these crafts at groom lake, how then was he able to know exactly when and where there would be a test fly of one of those a crafts?


As stated earlier. If he did work at Los Alamos, it is not entirely impossible that he was part of or overheard a discussion from other scientists who had worked at Area 51. Considering the creme ala creme work at Los Alamos, it is possible some of these scientists/engineers previously worked a few projects at Area 51 and were privy to information such as test flight schedules, etc.
UFO Mechanic Bob Lazar could have easily overheard a discussion of advanced test aircraft and inquired more and go from there.
Hell, he could've driven by on the damn highway and seen them for crying out loud and came back a week later at the same time to investigate further.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by spacevisitor
That would have been the simplest theory, but I don’t think that John Lear is so easily fooled.

That's assuming, of course, Lazar and Lear aren't two pawns on a board, each playing their part, but working towards the same goal — muddying the field and getting people looking in the direction of Area 51.

Now why would anyone want people to be looking for saucers — that's what Lazar said he was working on — in Groom Lake? I'm not gonna presume to know the answer, but I have my suspicions.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Celestian Falcon
i am not CIA but I did or was chosen in SERPO MILABs projects by a secret FBI agent who also was chosen under M-12 and whom i spoke to when i was about 7.

That's too bad because SERPO is a hoax. Give it a rest with this SERPO nonsense will you?



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Spangler

Originally posted by Celestian Falcon
i am not CIA but I did or was chosen in SERPO MILABs projects by a secret FBI agent who also was chosen under M-12 and whom i spoke to when i was about 7.

That's too bad because SERPO is a hoax. Give it a rest with this SERPO nonsense will you?


RE: Hey dude you all need to take a chill pill and listen to what i am to do and to say because your world is at stake! Yeah, let's see in the 1950's you all laughed at the idea alien ets were invading earth. In the late 60's at my starchild birth, doctors who examined MILABs and alien abduction victims did not want to believe. By the 1980's more truth was coming out about the contactees and what science discovered about fiber optics and optic needles. This info was compared and matched exactly to what i have said all along so take a seat, sit back and listen or else the end that comes will be your own debunking idiotic demise! The aliens have given us their technology because of a secret "DEAL" that was made according to Lazar's allegations. This "deal" involves the SERPO Exchange Program and let me ask, what credible witness can you find besides a MOD 800 page book debunking Roswell and UFOs? Looks like to me you have gone well out of your way to satisfy yourselves a lie in exchange for the truth and you have no idea what the truth is? Nowthen, SERPO is real! Rather you wish to believe or not is up to you but don't come in here telling people Lazar is a liar and SERPO is a hoax without any credible knowledge to support such claims! You are the liars of your own selves and is I who was the one who is chosen of the Enlightened Ones of the Eben Greys to come. Just because someone is anonymous does not discredit them! Just because someone who was a victim by these accounts of exchanges does not have military sources or ties does NOT discredit them! And just because you wish to live inside a box does not mean earth has not been visited by these aliens. You say i am a liar and SERPO is a hoax just like the people in the 1950's your little world inside a little box of disbeliefs is about to come to an abrupt end! I have brought you the credible claims with evidence. I am a credible witness to alien abductions by Dr. Stephen Greers UFO Disclosure Campaign. And if you really wanted the truth instead of your own demise you would listen to the credible witnessed accounts instead of just saying "oh i care not to believe..." it is up to you and no, I will never stop until my revelation has come to final fullfillment. You cannot stop us now! You will not stop us now, and you will not get away by hiding youselves inside your little box!

So I ask of you, take a stand and support us and what we are to do lest you become a human race of extinction! I am on my final mission now and i willo be damned if i will let you come in here and trash me away! End draws near.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:39 PM
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Ah the fringe of Ufology makes itself known finally.


And people on this board wonder why Ufology is held in such low esteem by most sensible people.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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It was people on the fringe of UFOlogy that gave birth to this website in the first place...

Funny how that point seems to have been swept under the carpet




posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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Don't you see my point though? We were having a civil and rational discussion on Bob Lazar and his claims until a poster showed up telling us about the "Apocalyptic Doomsday Clock" and a proven hoax (Project SERPO). Now this topic has taken turn away from rational analysis towards fantasy.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Turiddu
Don't you see my point though?


Oh I do indeed see that point... it was one factor in my 'vacation' from ATS...

But have you ever considered that the 'noise' may be deliberate?



I do get caught up in the fight from time to time, I know I should just post and run, but sometimes ya just want to slap someone silly



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 07:48 PM
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No , he is a Goverment Disinformation Agent .



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Turiddu
Don't you see my point though?


But have you ever considered that the 'noise' may be deliberate?


I thought that also.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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If you don't know who Glenn Campbell is, you don't know much about Area 51 or Bob Lazar.



Who the hell is Glenn Cambell? Some idiot who has no information or clue so he uses his analagies to debunk and disbelieve and to add into the MIB contrabutions of smear campaigns!


Glenn Campbell has amassed more information on Area 51 than any human being, and quite possibly, most Governments.


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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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i tend to belive bob lazaar. but to do that you have to believe the government knows about ufo's. i believe in both. for one, the element bob talked about in the early 80's at that time was said to be impossible, and all scientists called him a kook for even suggesting such an element, and it was nowhere in the periodic tables in the 80's. well that was then and when i was in school. a child of mine brought home their science homework and i noticed on their periodic table where this element had been added. they said it waas to unstable, and just a few years ago i saw where a russian scientist had made this element in a lab, an element that wasnt supposed to exist. one that was to unstable to last, and this scientist had found a way to make it last for 4 to 5 seconds, longer than anyone thought possible, and that he theorized on how too get it too last even longer. just the fact that lazaar was called a liar when he first mentioned this element only to be proven right in time, makes me take him as a credible source. and to say that lear is crazy, well... that is just crazy.

[edit on 06/02/2010 by letscit]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 09:46 PM
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The last interview I heard with George Knapp and John Lear, Lear stated Lazar had gone back to work on Black Projects for the Federal Government. He also said Lazar is talking very little to him because of Security Oath constraints and he says he's glad to be back. In reality Lazar cares less what rumors have been spread or what anyone thinks of him, he's always wanted to be left alone. You've never seen and Lazar Books on the NYT Best Seller list or any movie deals have you...lol I don't remember the exact story on Campbell, he was a big shooter in the UFO arena at one time and then there was a series of events that occurred in his life as I remember that discredited him badly, he's not a major player anymore.



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