To those who diminish the severity of the Gulf disaster:

Yawn I need tea.. I guess it is my watch now

that face is creepy creepy creepy

Now what could be happen is gas spiking as I mention all the time this is just a pressure build up like old faithful and so yes something probably did pop off the BOP. IMHO BP has a few secret rov's that secretly fix damage. Yesterday morning and others notice Ocean floor looks like a junkyard down there so bp is fixing parts all the time and just leave them on Ocean floor. Because who's going to know?

And for ATS person who claim I am all over this??? Why yes I do participate in 1 Israel thread but that stuff is boring since I already know the outcome!

Back to security watch

Okay i am and have been looking at the base of the BOP and see no pressure/oil leaks as I say this is when BP sneak around with rov.

rov monitoring


we have some action going on with rov back to feed

nothing to report they are hauling the topkill relay pump toward the surface

[edit on 13-6-2010 by jeffrybinladen]

[edit on 13-6-2010 by jeffrybinladen]

reply to post by queenannie38


One thing we can do is call congress and demand they stop using disperants down deep.

I know I will, first thing Monday morning if I can't reach them tomorrow.

reply to post by jeffrybinladen


Welcome back, jeffrey.

I say those white things are methane ice...what do you think?

Try to keep an eye out for a flapping band in the oil stream: earlier today I saw it distinctly but now it seems gone...got me to wondering how corrosive that stuff is and what temperature it is coming out of the pipe.

reply to post by apacheman


I've already responded to the version of your thread here you posted over in my OILPOCALYPSE thread. Here is the direct link to the reply.

5. create an alternative to oil

How do you intend to do that?

Crude Oil isn't only extracted for its fuel contents... So don't forget to stop buying your kids or yourself candles, plastic toys, stuft animals, tubes of toothpaste, tooth brushes, video games, computers, printers, ink cartridges, LCD monitors (especially!), CD's-DVD's-VHS tapes & players, TV's, color photos, kiddie pools, 'water wings', swimming pool "noodles", bicycle helmets, bikes with paint or any other plastic parts on them (like seats), digital clock radios, beds, Nerf guns, squirt bottles, pretty much anything from a 'gags & gifts' or 'party supply' shop, balloons, Easter 'schwag', Halloween costumes, polyester / nylon clothing & bedding, rollerblades, skateboard wheels, speed boats, waterboards, most surf boards, all boogie boards, life jackets, snow boarding equipment, 'moon boots', snow suits, 'aqua socks', spandex, pens, sunglasses, couches, non-metal watches, most backpacks, most shoes, all camping tents & most camping gear, most sports gear and safety equipment, any food or CANDY packaging that uses foam or plastic, foam dish scrubbers, plastic dishes (any of them), zip lock bags, plastic sandwhich bags, lunch boxes, tupperware / Rubbermade containers, Thermos's, toddler-proof home safety devices, baby bottles, disposable diapers, pacifiers, baby monitors, strollers, Little Tikes cars and 'houses', Power Wheels, easy bake ovens, radio flyer wagons with that shiny red paint, "big wheels", baby oil or baby powder (I've never seen these come in any bottle besides plastic), rattles, fishing tackle, slingshots, CARPET, PAINT, vinyl siding, plastic patio furniture, weed whackers, lawn mowers, toasters, microwaves, blenders, George Foreman Grill's, trendy posters, science fair projects, counter-table top laminates or clearcoats, magazines, Slip'N Slides, headphones, flashlights, board games, trading cards, Lego's, medicine bottles... OR MCDONALDS HAPPY MEALS!!!!!

...or things like using the services at any hospitals, school (desks), laminated book covers or laminated ANYTHING, glossy color ink, don't mail order anything because virtually all shipping boxes contain plastic or foam of some kind, Chucky Cheese, Disney World, airplanes, water parks, movie theaters (movie theater seats, screens & film), lobby against NASA and all future space travel...


SHALL I GO ON???

Proposing we give up oil completely is basically more absurd than proposing we give up computers completely.

[edit on 13-6-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Dispersants and my report on MMS will have to take second seat now since we have a major event underway, I only learned about this "EVENT" after watching the ROV's at work again early this AM. A few of you here know that I specifically monitor at these times because this is when BP conducts the secret well operation/s. Sadly this AM I noticed several things retention straps being tested on the BOP itself and also what is known as "bracketing" at the base of the wellhead.

Since I already posted a thread about the imminent danger no need to go on.

Originally posted by nite owl
NEW NEWS, the nuke option is back on the table. BP admits to bigger problem and cannot make the obama dead line to fix. BP is ordering everything off of the water and people being escorted away from the DROP ZONE. Gee, now that BP polluted the water, now they are going to put radiation in there too. hmmmmm

Any links to this as I can't find any on google news

reply to post by apacheman


what temp
twice the boiling point of water about 400 F
but things boil differently at that pressure

as I said a mactruck on a quauter up
2200lb psi down
the pipes don't corrode so much as get scowered


[edit on 13-6-2010 by Danbones]

This isn't Katrina. This is our Chernobyl. And if it goes on much longer, worse then Chernobyl.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Give it up, Ignorance, there is no way to diminish the enormity of this now without looking looking like a suicidal fool.

Check this repost from the oil drum:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's ok to admit when you've been wrong, and the sooner you do the sooner you can begin taking steps to deal with the consequences that are coming your way.

I'm truly sorry this has happened, but ignoring or downplaying the seriousness is not only nonproductive, but can be deadly.

Try to wrap your mind around the fact that the world has changed permanently now: we will be living with the consequences of this for generations to come.

The Gulf I knew is now beginning its death throes, no matter what any apologist or denier thinks. We might be able to save some of it, but only if we grasp the and accept the enormity of the disaster and bring a lot more focus and resources to the job.

Sorry 'bout that, but there it is.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
This isn't Katrina. This is our Chernobyl. And if it goes on much longer, worse then Chernobyl.

Originally posted by apacheman
Try to wrap your mind around the fact that the world has changed permanently now: we will be living with the consequences of this for generations to come.

You 2 need to get grip.

This isn't radioactive contamination, with a 10,000 year half-life, we're talking about here.

You want truth?

The synthetic chemicals & plastic products made with oil are literally thousands of times more toxic and longer lasting in the environment than organic crude oil.

These chemicals drip out into the entire environment EVERYWHERE you find people and their automobiles. I repeat, EVERYWHERE. Over the course of years, far more of this type of product is released into the environment than all of the spills combined.

This especially occurs near coastal regions because that's where most of the population lives.

Did you get all that? 1: The products made with crude are thousands of times worse than the crude itself. 2: More burnt used motor oil (alone) is dripped into the environment than all of the oil spills combined, and yes mostly in coastal regions.

Are these facts good news? NO. Is the Gulf Gusher a major ordeal? YES!

FACT: The Gulf Gusher isn't the end of the world as you people would have us believe.

Instead of constantly screaming and bitching why don't you start some threads about how to reduce fuel consumption and limit plastics etc made from oil going to waste? Here's a good starting point for you: BUY MADE IN THE USA ONLY. Here's another: Grow A Garden!

Life goes on, and this is the modern world. We will have major spills. Either move out into a cabin in the woods, or shoot yourself because that's about all you yourself can do to literally stop using oil which makes you part of the problem just like everyone else.


[edit on 13-6-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Originally posted by apacheman

This disaster...catastrophe...we lack a word to properly define this event...is not yet a completed mistake, but every voice that diminishes the severity of the problem and thereby reduces focus, resources, and urgency moves us ever closer to it being so.

People should be scared.

This is genuinely scary.

Well said. Wait till the hurricanes hit. UGLY!!

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


I DO grow a garden, have for years. I've also recycled, reduced, etc, for years.

I'm not now telling and never have told anyone at any time to panic. I've absolutely zero use for people who scream in fear at anything, it bothers my focus and annoys the hell out of me.

I've also zero use for people who refuse to acknowledge reality.

I consider myself a pretty tough-minded, pragmatic kind of guy who can deal with whatever life throws at me. I don't panic, ever. I've been through typhoons, hurricanes, earthquakes, wildfires, epidemics, and war.

Whether you want to face it or even acknowledge it, the world HAS changed permanently due to this catastrophe. The Gulf will never be the same as what it was when this year started. It won't necessarily become a new Dead Sea, but only if we accept the realities we face with the focus and urgency the situation demands. Continuously diminishing it only makes it worse in the end.

We've a very narrow window of opportunity to mitigate some of the damage, but only if we act swiftly with massive manpower and efforts.

The game has changed.

This isn't your common disaster du jour.

The quicker we acknowledge it the better chance we have of saving a few things.

Like the shrimp.

Pelicans.

New Orleans.

The economies of the Southeast.

Keep giving oil people and politicians the easy out of diminishment and they will take it to the detriment of all.

The situation is extremely dangerous, has enormously far-reaching consequences, has permanently changed the Gulf, but it isn't beyond hope.

Not yet, not if we move massively, move fast, and change the way things are done there.

But time's awasting, and we don't have much left in which to stop the cascade of consequences.

I hope that I'm not mucking up your thead to much Apacheman
Im tring to expose why the financials side of this is making it the disaster you think it is

If what I think is true, crippling gas costs will prevent the people from doing things to protect them selves from the devastation
which magnifies the potential for trouble
this is being DONE to America and I feel if these financiers are not fixed nothing else will get fixed

here is why the price of oil went down recently

saudis allow isreal airspace to attack iran
the saudis are in hock to the bankers big time after Dubai
the saudis supply the US with 100,000 barels a day
the zionist bankers that are Obamas biggest contributer have the Saudis over a barrel

what was Glen Beck saying the other day about the saudis doing 911?
(there was a thread wondering why he did that well here is why)
the saudi people probably heard all about that.
I wonder how they feel about letting Isreal bend them over a barrel?

the saudis need 70 a barrel at least to break even

the price per barrel went from 80ish to70ish which is pure goldman sachs type derivitive type trading influence over the last month or so
after climbing steadily over the last year

just like the US congress when the stock market dropped a thousnd and went back up a thousan after the US congress caved on invetigating Goldman Sachs
the price of oil started to float up above 7o a bit when the saudis caved

reply to post by Danbones


Not a problem...I appreciate any illumination anyone can bring to this. There are all sorts of ramifications and different sectors had different reasons for pushing the limits, all of which combined to create this mess.

talk about fogging the issue.. Time Inc is making its presence known with their 'dirty Dozen' responsible for the well 'spill'

Read more:

There's no shortage of folks to blame for the spill

Full List: The Dirty Dozen
1. John Browne ~ The former CEO presided over a period of dynamic expansion at BP,
but his cost-cutting may have contributed to the company's checkered safety record.
He stepped down in 2007 amid inquiries into his personal life.

2. Tony Hayward ~ BP's current group CEO is in charge of the company most
responsible for the spill, and his succession of gaffes hasn't built confidence.
Despite a flurry of calls for his firing, Hayward has the public support of BP's board

3. Chris Oynes ~ A top Interior Department official who, until he retired May 31,
oversaw offshore oil- and gas-drilling for the Minerals Management Service (MMS)
and before that supervised Gulf of Mexico oil and gas leases for 12 years.


4. Doug Suttles ~ The British energy giant's chief operating officer for
exploration and production. He's been at the center of BP's efforts to
contain the spill, a seemingly haphazard process that included the failed
top-kill and junk-shot methods.

5. and 6. Dick Cheney and George W. Bush
7. The American Driver
8. Barack Obama
9. Ken Salazar
10. S. Elizabeth Birnbaum
11. Steve Newman
12. Tim Probert


Read more: www.time.com...

What a crock after the first 4 names...as i mentioned in an earlier post:

yes the deepwater drill borehole did hit a massive & extremely high pressure 'pocket'of gas & oil, est. at 12k PSI @ 20k ft down
...and the resulting blowup of the borehole, casing & the rig...
has fractured and compromised the strata in a manner yet to be discovered.



Bottom Line: 'someone' decided to drill that deep, in that particular location, a task without protocol...
if the enterprise venture would have been discussed
in a comprehensive way by a committee of minds, perhaps the project to tap into deepwater , potential reservoirs of oil some +20,000 feet down, and 400° F. would have been shelved, until technology was ready to work with high-pressure, high-temperature wells...

ADD:
but?? did the 'Permit' application & review, spell out just what BP intended & was given the go ahead to drill ultra-deep like the earlier Russian wells did... which tapped into a unique source of perpetual oil?




[edit on 14-6-2010 by St Udio]

Originally posted by Rockerchic4God
You are absolutely right. This is an extinction level event (ELE). To what degree, and whether humans will be part of that destruction remains to be seen, but this is not some conspiracy theory or "what if" speculation.

Get real it's no such thing unless it starts WWIII due to the economic impact.

We have 100,00 wells around the world and sure it's a big event, high presure and all that but the oil won't run for ever and they have not even called out the army to deal with it yet.

They have been slow off the mark to clean the oil up out at sea but we have 250,000 ships we could throw at the problom if needs be and the other wells won't miss a heat beat.

Yes i know it will be spread around the globe if they don't deal with it closer to home but by that time the quantity involved would be like a piss in the ocean.

Consider how many boats got sunk in WWII and how much oil leaked and yet we are still here today and during earths history we would have had other leakes on this scale but life went on.