To those who diminish the severity of the Gulf disaster:

reply to post by Wyn Hawks


I repeat:

This disaster is going to be very slow to make it full effects visible to the dense.

It isn't fearmongering when you tell someone to run because the theater's on fire.

Fear is not necessarily a negative emotion. One can be afraid and still function efficiently: ask any combat veteran. There are circumstances when if you aren't scared then:

a. you don't comprehend the situation
b. you're an idiot
c. you're lying

This is one of those circumstances.

None of us are helpless or too weak to influence policy if we are determined and persistent.

I call my congresscritters nearly every day and offer specific suggestions and demands. My voice alone doesn't make a huge difference, but mine + yours + many others can and will if we stay focussed. I give references and names.

Pick up the phone and call some of the experts cited in the news reports and talk to them like I've done and ask them directly what's up so that when you call your local or national politicos you know what you're talking about and have relevant suggestions.

Not once have I suggested anyone panic. What I call for is honest assessment and facing the truly fearful with courage. That's the odd thing about courage: it isn't the absence of fear but rather the mastery of it.

Originally posted by jeffrybinladen
I am going to bed

But if anyone is up later in am @ 2am est that is time when BP cruises rov's for damage see if they check out base of BOP and take a screencap....so far I have not seen oil leaking from casing without evidence we will never know until too late.


goodnight everyone

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Thank you Jeffry. If I'm awake, I'll see what I can see.....maybe others will also.
Goodnight.

I just caught this image off of one of the ROV cameras, HERE

It is a cloud of a lighter material coming up from below. They turned the camera to look at it, and it is coming from under the leak....could it be rising from the sea floor?

Something appears to have just blown off the BOP.

Lots of something milky white is enveloping the cap from below and right, while the view from Skandi ROV 2 was suddenly changed to a closeup of, but you can still see a lot of what looks to be hydrates moving up rather fast.

Not sure what it signifies.

realitycheck.no-ip.info...

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reply to post by westcoast


I caught a view of the Skandi 2 just as something popped off: a pipe or valve assembly of some sort, followed by a rush of something or other, gas I think. The operator changed the view pretty quick.


Just had a thought: is there a vibration effect occurring?

reply to post by apacheman


Well, something is going on....who the heck knows what! Did you notice though that as soon as it happened, the area was suddenly filled with what looked like marine life? That indicated to me that perhaps the temperature had changed, or there was something suddenly in the water that drew them to it. I got a pic...will post in a minute.

Edit to add photo:

Here is the pic of what looked like some sort of marine life. (I just have to say as a funny side note, that I can't help but notice the obvious image of a face off to the right....)




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reply to post by westcoast


Good lord, the image of the face is uncanny. Spooky.

Thank you for posting the photos.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Your welcome...I always try and snap a screen shot when I see something interesting somewhere. I didn't notice the image/face when I did it...not until I went to post it. Kinda chilling....

reply to post by westcoast


...again as an aside....

But yes, you could put that photo up on one of the paranormal boards, and stir up a conspiracy!

..............Maybe it's Neptune, come to see what they've done to his domain.

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reply to post by westcoast


Really weird to have a face emerge from a random stream of gas and oil. Kinda creepy: if I let my imagination run with it I can suppose it a manifestation of the planet looking back at us.

I think a lot of the solid white stuff is methane hydrate ice.

Some might also be junk shot material blowing around.

I wonder if the face could be matched to one of the dead rigworkers? AS lady said, you could probably start whole new ghost myth if you posted it to the right site, some would be off and running with it in a heartbeat.

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reply to post by apacheman


Okay...wierd, that was exactly the thought I had!

Methane hydrate makes sense.....the fact that so much of it showed up right then could mean what? Change in temp or something?

Looks like some of the cameras are back up again, hard to make out though what they are doing.

(I may go ahead and post the image on the paranormal board..for some fun anyways)

Apacheman, it's time for me to turn in also, but I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your rational and concerned posts.

In no way is the content fearmongering, and I fully support you holding your own.

Sometimes the truth is frightening. That's just the way it is.

We have more to be worried about now, than we have in a very long time. And it's not just the Gulf region. It's the entire country, and in the worse case scenario, this could escalate to a global disaster.

So no. It's not fear mongering.

reply to post by westcoast

Looks like President Johnson.
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Originally posted by MagicaRose
I've been reading your thread and I want you to look at this camera Skandi-Rov-2.
It appears to have fire in it.
www.sanaracreations.fi...

Now it looks like they've shut that camera down.

wow
it does
i thought at first it was just a reddish chemical or mineral that was giving the oil a red-brown tint but looking at it, it billows somewhat like fire might.

at the bottom of the sea
who knows what fire looks like, 1 mile underwater??~!

yikes.

the pipe is broken the rate of flow it will be vibrating
the oil is at twice the boiling pint of water and the water is
A HAIR ABOVE FREEZING
water PRESSURE is 2200 lbs PSI
so say the conservative oil pressure is 20.000 lbs psi
(I heard 70,000)
thats roughly the weight of a mac truck with a walk in sleeper
on a quarter
the oil is blasting against that pressure
it would be LIFTING that rig (with out a trailor) up into the air
it is a twenty one inch pipe
thats a lot of quartes to cover a hole that size with a mak truck on each one
figure on how do you stop that kind of force

just to picture the forces involved

The Lakeview Gusher on the Midway-Sunset Oil Field in Kern County, California of 1910 is believed to be the largest-ever U.S. gusher. At its peak, more than 100,000 barrels (16 000 m³) of oil per day flowed out, reaching as high as 200 feet (60 m) in the air. It remained uncapped for 18 months, spilling over nine million barrels

thats about 5000 psi

the pipe is fractured 400 feet below the surface and oil is coming out 20
miles away they say
so any plug will just force the oil out somewhere else





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NEW NEWS, the nuke option is back on the table. BP admits to bigger problem and cannot make the obama dead line to fix. BP is ordering everything off of the water and people being escorted away from the DROP ZONE. Gee, now that BP polluted the water, now they are going to put radiation in there too. hmmmmm

reply to post by Danbones


Only problem with this theory is Saudi oil prices are dropping. So if this was a plan its failing miserably. Its expected next week that oil prices will again drop to about 70.00 a barrel. Its normal when oil prices drop to low to stop domestic production it costs more to get oil out of the ground here then it does in the middle east.

reply to post by dragonridr


as i understand it the saudis need a minimum of 70 a barrel to stay a float
but like i said if someone can pick apart what i said
what ever doesn't kill you anly makes you smarter

i'd rather know too then have to guess

but those tankers are stacked
the trans alaska is shut down
US produces 40 percent
us imports imports 60 percent
canada roughly 2000,000 barrals a day
arabia 100.000
mexico 100.000

www.eia.doe.gov...

then there is
how much will the price of arbian oil affect the total
speculation is the main driver of oil prices
the last time the Arabs dropped their prices Dubai happened

but I'm going to look and see too
cause you might be right

if the nuke is right
williams was right about that
he also may be right about the 6 /8 dollara gallon by summer price

im going to go look:

Matt Lauer talks to Tom Kloza from the Oil Price Information Service -- a group which tracks oil-price trends -- about the future of fuel costs.
this guy says a bit of a dip briefly then as soon as a hurricane enters the gulf up
kramer sais 5.oo to 5.50 in about 6 weeks
www.msnbc.msn.com...

opec
www.opec.org...

its down for the month - a traditional pre summer dip acording to Kloza (above)
up for the year
up 1.20 aprox for the day


now figure the US dollar purchasing power dropping as forcast -
real inflation
and also speculation

Im going with up by mid summer to late summer

www.abovetopsecret.com...
No intent to devalue BP: Obama



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Seventy-one people, including 10 from Lafourche Parish and two from Terrebonne Parish, have suffered health problems believed to be related to the oil spill, according to a report released Tuesday by the state Health Department. The report cites exposure to chemicals as the source of irritated throats, coughing, shortness of breath, headaches and nausea. Doctors and others are asked to report spill-related illnesses and injuries to the department for inclusion in its database. The Office of Public Health follows up on each exposure-related complaint. “We know there are a lot of people who want to help protect our fragile coastline and fisheries during this difficult time. We just want to make sure that those efforts are done safely,” state Health Secretary Alan Levine said. Those impacted to date include 29 cleanup workers. Twelve were engaged in an unspecified task, seven were breaking up sheen, four were doing offshore work, two were burning oil and three were deploying boom. Twenty-one others complained of ailments while working on oil rigs — 16 on one rig and five on another — and told doctors they were exposed to dispersants, the report says. The remaining 21, including 13 who called poison-control centers but apparently did not see doctors, said they were on shore — 20 of them at home — and felt ill after smelling oil or chemicals.

For days now, Dr Damon Dietrich has seen patients come through his emergency room at West Jefferson Medical Center [Louisiana] with similar symptoms: respiratory problems, headaches and nausea. In the past week, 11 workers who have been out on the water cleaning up oil from BP's blown-out well have been treated for what Dietrich calls "a pattern of symptoms" that could have been caused by the burning of crude oil, noxious fumes from the oil or the dispersants dumped in the Gulf to break it up. All workers were treated and released. "One person comes in, it could be multiple things," he said. "Eleven people come in with these symptoms, it makes it incredibly suspicious." Few studies have examined long-term health effects of oil exposure. But some of the workers trolling Gulf Coast beaches and heading out into the marshes and waters have complained about flu-like symptoms -- a similar complaint among crews deployed for the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska.

BP and US Coast Guard officials have said dehydration, heat, food poisoning, or other unrelated factors may have caused the workers' symptoms.

hisz.rsoe.hu...

Guess where all that naturally evaporating oil winds up? Toxic oil & gas in the water becomes toxic fumes in the air. Miniscule amounts if you compare to the total volume of the atmosphere. Unfortunately, locally it's not so miniscule, just like the oil in the water.

How long before they have to evacuate some of the worst effected areas?

i personally have no faith in BP to take care of this fiasco in a timely manner, if at all.

i agree - this is serious.
dead serious.

and although i appreciate the idea put forth by another member that it is better to do something rather than talk about doing something - and the griping gets annoying, no doubt...
i've been nearly pacing the floors wondering what it is that we can do, ordinary folk for the most part...
to BE HEARD
and to let them know that something more must be done
and that they can't do these things and expect to get by with it...

it really doesn't matter what made this happen or who had a hand in it or really, even WHY.

what matters is that it must be taken care of in a much more expedient manner.

the reports from those in charge of the aftermath are VAGUE and INSUFFICIENT.

i don't see that there is much being done and even more so, anything that would show even the tiniest degree of CONCERN in those who should be concerned.

walking the dog a while ago, i had the thought that for a company as big, wealthy, and powerful as BP is...you'd think there'd be some strings being pulled or a bit of dramatic action somewhere in the arena.

nope.
nothing.

what do we do???~!?