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Poland holds alleged Israeli spy

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posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 06:06 PM

Poland holds alleged Israeli spy

Polish authorities have arrested a suspected Mossad agent wanted by Germany over the assassination of a Hamas commander in Dubai, German prosecuters say.

Germany is now seeking the extradition of the Israeli intelligence agent, who was said to have been arrested in Warsaw in early June.

"He was arrested in Warsaw and is suspected of being involved in illegally obtaining a [German] passport," a spokesman for German federal prosecution said on Saturday, confirming a report by German magazine
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posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 06:06 PM

"It's now up to the Poles to decide if they are going to hand him over to Germany."

Israel's foreign ministry confirmed that "an Israeli national was arrested in Poland," adding that "the consulate of Israel is dealing with the case."

According to an article to be published on Monday in Der Spiegel, the suspect, identified as Uri Brodsky, was arrested on arrival at Warsaw's airport on suspicions that he helped a member of the hit squad get a German passport in June 2009.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

It looks like the world (absent the US) is cracking down on Israeli atrocities, which is good I guess but it is what should be happening anyway so it's not good, rather it's expected. It's what should be done.

I guess we have to wait and see what Poland wishes to do, though I suspect that even if he is extradited to Germany, it will be hard to find justice.

I also suspect that prosecuting this alleged Mossad agent will be used as an "out" for Israel to allow people to think that they got justice served, while this agent was only following orders. Justice will not be served until those that ordered and planned the killing will be brought to justice. It's a shame that these agents alone will take the fall for this assassination.
(visit the link for the full news article)

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 06:20 PM
Would he be charged as a spy?

I wonder if they'll hang him.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 06:28 PM
reply to post by At0mZer0

not in poland and germany. No death penalty in these countries

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 06:36 PM
Uri Brodsky is only in trouble for giving a fake passport to Michael Bodenheimer. So hes in trouble for dealing in forged passports not for the murder of a terrorist.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 06:58 PM
reply to post by JBA2848

Yes, but it would be in the best interest of Israel, for this guy to have the book thrown at him. If this guy is prosecuted to the fullest, it will make the citizens of the world feel as if they got justice, letting Israel off the hook. Israel has made these kinds of moves before, side-stepping real justice while allowing a minion to take the fall.

Surprisingly, I don't really blame this guy for doing what he did. He was only following orders for what he thought would help his country. It is the person/s who planned and ordered the operation that needs to be brought to justice.


posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 07:10 PM
reply to post by airspoon

Mossad agents while in Dubai used mastercards issued by a company named Payoneer based in New York. Payoneer is a business created by a guy name Yuval Tal. Yuval Tal is a ex mossad agent by his own addmission as a contributer to Fox News. I just seen a article from the New York Post Yuval Tal has now disappeared so I pulled up a picture to see what he looked like. Yuval Tal looks just like Michael Lawrence Barney.

Yuval Tal

Michael Lawrence Barney

But this is the real Yuval Tal an Israeli living in Hong Kong.

From this

Yuval Tal is head of the Hong Kong office and a Partner in the Corporate Department. He is a general corporate and securities lawyer with diverse experience in mergers and acquisitions, securities offerings, cross-boarder transactions, and corporate and real estate finance.

Yuval's practice includes representing clients on financing, mergers and acquisitions (public and private, debt and equity), reorganizations and structured finance. He represents clients from their formation through their sale or public offering. He also advises his clients on day-to-day operational matters, including internal structuring, commercial transactions, employment, consulting arrangements and equity incentive programs. Yuval represents financial institutions as well as public and private companies. He has represented clients in diverse industries ranging from hotels to flight training to medical devices, from telecommunications to weight reduction to apparel.

In connection with his extensive experience representing private equity and venture capital funds, Yuval has represented U.S., European and Israeli-based funds, such as JPMorgan, Bessemer Venture Partners, Starwood Capital, Colony Capital, DLJ, Thor Urban Retail Fund, Big Flower, Star Ventures, Formula Ventures and Giza Venture Capital in structuring, restructuring, managing and disposing of investments in Asia (including Israel), Europe and the United States.

Yuval lives in Hong Kong with his wife and three sons.

So who is this guy running a creditcard company in New York City using the name Yuval Tal. Heres a video from Fox News of him talking.

So is this Yuval Tal in New York a mossad agent under cover creating front companies to transfer money for Mossad? Is he the hitman from Dubai?

And Yuval Tal the hitman ran off to Israel and has never returned the business Payoneer is still up and runing in New York City. Peace of mind would be to shut that business down and demand that Yuval Tal the hitman be turned over to interpol.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 07:54 PM

Originally posted by airspoon

It's a shame that these agents alone will take the fall for this assassination.

I am sure they were fully cognizant of what they signed up for , and the inherent risks that go with the job.

The irony of this is that Israel (amongst others) are at the forefront of anti terrorism technology, - biometrics and a whole host of integrated systems .
Effective ........ To to point where their own very movements, are now curtailed by the heighten security measures.

[edit on 12-6-2010 by UmbraSumus]

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:17 PM
"just following orders" does not justify a crime. Everyone has a choice and can choose not to "just follow orders" there must be accountability on all levels.. The man was caught and needs to face charges and trial for his crimes. Had the "just following orders" excuse worked the outcome of the Nuremburg trials would have been much different..

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:19 PM
reply to post by JBA2848

Murder of a terrorist.

Because God said the Jews can break his commandments he set in stone for them when they invented terrorists right?

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:23 PM
reply to post by Expat888

I'm not saying that he shouldn't pay for his crimes, I'm only saying that the responsibility is not his alone, or even that of his fellow agents. Justice won't be served until those responsible for the assassination are held accountable. If I brainwash someone into killing someone else, than it is not he alone who is responsible for that killing. If I got away with it, I would probably just do it again. We need to hold those accountable, that are responsible for this obvious crime, lest we not want to accomplish anything.


posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:38 PM
Ahh makes better sense.. Had skimmed quickly as having a conversation offline in vietnamese.. but your correct must be accountability at all levels especially by those giving the orders..

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:02 PM
reply to post by At0mZer0

Uri Brodsky never went to Dubai he worked in Germany and gave a fake passport to Michael Bodenheimer who then went to Dubai. Now Yuval Tal went to Dubai and to the hotel and gave out credit cards to over half the hit squad to pay for everything. Some of the women there even went on shopping sprees with the credit cards while the hit went down. So Yuval Tal is a major player Uri Brodsky is just a nobody working at a airport. Yuval Tal was the pay master for the whole event.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:08 PM
But when it comes to some guy who works at a airport and gives a terrorist hitman a fake passport. You still have to wonder who he is and check him out further. The video is eye opening.

By Bianca Capazorio

South Africa's diplomatic standoff with Israel remains shrouded in mystery.

This follows the use of OR Tambo airport in Joburg by two alleged assassins of a Hamas activist in Dubai, on their return to Tel Aviv in January.

The alleged killers - identified by Dubai police investigating the murder of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh - arrived in Joburg on an Emirates Air flight and transferred to the Israeli airline El Al.

El Al's operations here were already under official scrutiny after it emerged the airline's security operations were run by the Israeli security agency Shin Bet.

It turned out that El Al security staff were protected by protocols of immunity normally reserved for diplomats. Moreover, they were issued weapons registered to the Israeli embassy.

After these facts came to light, the South African government stripped two El Al security guards of their diplomatic passports.

It also threatened to withdraw diplomatic immunity for the El Al operation in South Africa.

A Carte Blanche expose showed the airline's armed security staff carry out profiling targeting Muslims.

The Israelis responded by insisting that if Israel could not guarantee the security of its nationals and its interests, El Al would be forced to withdraw from the country.

Israeli Shin Bet spies uncovered in South African Airports working for EL AL airlines - PART 1

An investigation into claims by South Africans that they have been harassed at airports by people claiming to be with 'Airport security' when in fact they are working for el al and israeli airline. The interesting part though is that all these security guards are trained by Shin Bet and actually work for them. Shockingly they illegally detain and question passengers (even when not flying on their plane), as well as illegally search people, make copies of documents and pass these off to Israel.

Israeli Shin Bet spies uncovered in South African Airports working for EL AL airlines - PART 2

Seems that EL AL airline security guards are trained by Shin Bet and actually work for them. And in South Africa they come to work with a uzi in a brief case and all have diplomatic immunity and the weapons are issued to the Israeli embassy. The guards all have diplomatic passports.

So do they operate the same way in all countries?

The two who escaped through Johannesburg International Airport South Africa and then boarded EL AL Airlines and were then protected by Shin Bet.


posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:15 PM
And diplomatic immunity when it comes to Israel is amazing just read this article from 2001.

Army General and Head of the PGR Releases Two Israelis
Arrested With Guns and Explosives Inside the Mexican Congress
By Ernesto Cienfuegos La Voz de Aztlan
October 15, 2001

LOS ANGELES (ACN) - In a mind-blowing development, La Voz de Aztlan has learned that Mexican Army General Rafael Marcial Macedo de la Concha who heads the Procuraduría General de la República (Mexican Department of Justice) has released the retired Israeli Defense Forces colonel and presumed MOSSAD agent Salvador Guersson Smecke and Israeli illegal immigrant Saur Ben Zvi after both had penetrated the security of the Mexican Congress and where in possession of guns, hand grenades and explosives.

This morning La Voz de Aztlan had a personal telephone interview with the Mexican Congressional Press Secretary, Lic. Adriana Lopez, and verified the arrest of the two Israelis after they had entered through the highly secured front entrance of the Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro. She stated to La Voz de Aztlan that the two terrorists had taken advantage of a situation that occurred around 1700 hours of Wednesday October 10 when a large contingent of Sugar Industry Unionists were entering through the metal detectors. The two Israelis followed about 50 of the unionists to the office of the President of the Mexican Congress Beatriz Paredes. The two Israelis were first pretending to be press photographers but called the attention of the sugar unionists because of their nervous and out of the ordinary behavior. About ten of the unionists confronted them and observed that they were carrying guns and and what looked to them to be explosives. They held the two Israelis until Official Congressional Security personnel took them into custody. The head of Congressional Security Salvador Alarcón verified that the Israelis had in their possession nine hand grenades, sticks of dynamite, detonators, wiring and two 9mm "Glock" automatics.

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