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Originally posted by airvicemarshal
Central foolish assumptions that you make include these:-
1. That only one crime was committed, event though there was clearly more than one crime, in essence, two types of crime committed. A/ Crimes associated with mass murder b/ Crimes associated with the coverup. As many were in such shock and many foolishly act out of a sense of patriotism, it is quite possible that many committing the second set of crimes were not assoicated with the first set.
Originally posted by airvicemarshal
2. That if Bin Laden did not do this mass murder, then only the US Governement could have done it,. This is howlingly stupid and has not a shred of evidence to support this blind exclusion of all other possible suspects.
Originally posted by airvicemarshal
3. You make no real consideration of the MOTIVES.
Originally posted by airvicemarshal
4. You make the crass assumption that those who did this were traitors to the US and yet were patriotic enough to only "buy AMerican" and olnly use AMerican kit. THis is outrageously stupid. If people are going to consider mass murder and want to avoid going to the electric chiar, they would never even remotely consider which country's equipment they would use.
Originally posted by airvicemarshal
5. You work on the basis that "everyone's in it" when the basic workings of a conspiracy mean that the memebers will always try to keep their numbers low to avoid accidental leaks and people coming forward due to conscience and admitting to have done it.
Originally posted by airvicemarshal
A central proble for your thougths which leaves you open to criticism is the basic problem that the "truthers' have persistently faced, that, if it was the Government, why hasn't anyone broken ranks and come forward? I believe that there is an answer to this,b tu you are missing it.
So I've noticed a huge amount of resistance from people while trying to convince them that 9/11 was a farce.
It seems as though the more evidence that's presented to contradict the government's official story, the more people cling to it. People are completely unwilling to admit that they were manipulated.
After all of my research, I've come to the following conclusions:
1) The acts were carried out in ways that allowed the government to completely control the evidence.
2) The acts were carried out in such a way as to minimize casualties in every possible way.
The 2 World Trade Center crashes were carried out by remotely controlled military planes (neither of the planes had any sort of commercial airline identifying marks).
F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage
The Pentagon and Pennsylvania "crashes" were just detonated explosives with some carefully prepared evidence placed; this explains why such a lack of wreckage exists at these two sites. Keep in mind that the part of the Pentagon that was "hit" was the recently renovated wing; and nobody in the Pentagon was killed. The bombs were placed there during the renovation.
The crumbling of the World Trade Center buildings was also the work of well-placed explosives. These buildings had recently undergone a $1 billion renovation by Marvin Bush (George W. Bush's brother). Explosives were implanted as part of this "renovation".
The media were completely controlled by the FBI on this day. All of their information was provided directly from the FBI, including eyewitnesses, facts, etc.
Meanwhile, several FBI agents were pushing the neo-con US government's agenda, such as this quote that always sticks with me, "It's great to live in such a free society, but having everything so free makes it very difficult for us to prevent events like this from happening. This is why things are really going to have to change after this".
Osama Bin Laden is just our fall-guy. We worked with him in defending Afghanistan from Russia back in the late 70's, and I'm led to believe that he either A) Still works for us or B) Is dead, and we're just using him as a scapegoat.
Ryland: A Sibel EdMonds’ Bombshell”- Bin Laden Worked For U.S. Until 9/11
After explaining the difference between what she does and doesn't know first hand, she went on to explain: "I have information about things that our government has lied to us about. I know. For example, to say that since the fall of the Soviet Union we ceased all of our intimate relationship with Bin Laden and the Taliban - those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11." ...
CIA Vet: FBI Whistleblower Edmonds 'Very Credible'
This is something that, presumably, if the mainstream media were interested in it, would be a line of inquiry that would lead to a major investigation. ... I'm a former intelligence officer, I find her very credible. And of course, as a former intelligence officer, I'm normally suspicious of these kinds of stories. In this case, John Cole, who obviously had direct access to the investigations going on, is confirming her story.
Originally posted by mikelee
I believe it was seen as a good chance by the government, for the government to promote and GET their agenda goals met and they decided not to act as swiftly. Or, delayed the reaction of the military in a manner that prevented them from getting to NYC and the Pentagon. After that they got flight 93. Or is that just too simple for anyone?
Originally posted by mikelee
I believe it was seen as a good chance by the government, for the government to promote and GET their agenda goals met and they decided not to act as swiftly. Or, delayed the reaction of the military in a manner that prevented them from getting to NYC and the Pentagon. After that they got flight 93. Or is that just too simple for anyone?
Originally posted by mikelee
Whoever said that the WHOLE tower had to be wired? Thats a big job no doubt. But if they figured out the lines of attack and say, had the planes hit at above floor 60 for example, then the only part they would need to wire if they used that setup but, would be predetermined spot and go up. gravity takes care o fthe rest.
Originally posted by monkeySEEmonkeyDO
reply to post by kiwasabi
Like I said, the ONLY confirmed action that took place on that day was the 2 planes hitting the Twin Towers. Everything else the government said happened is in question.
I actually have a friend who's relative was working in the FBI when 9/11 happened, and he said that the Shanksville plane was shot down. Even that doesn't make sense b/c of the ground damage, and the fact that no passenger was ever found. Then you have to ask yourself why the FBI isn't releasing the 'black box' recording from that plane? What are they hiding?
I understand why you assume that planes were never flown, but when you say the government bribed/threatened airliners, then it opens you up for alot of questioning
Originally posted by Alfie1
Are you being deliberately evasive when you say " no passenger was ever found " ? or are you genuinely unaware that hundreds of body parts were recovered and dna identified by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology as belonging to 33 passengers and 7 crew members of UA 93 ?
Originally posted by kiwasabi
Originally posted by Alfie1
Are you being deliberately evasive when you say " no passenger was ever found " ? or are you genuinely unaware that hundreds of body parts were recovered and dna identified by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology as belonging to 33 passengers and 7 crew members of UA 93 ?
And I suppose they recovered every last scrap of the plane as well while they were at it?
Originally posted by Alfie1
Why don't you argue with what I did say rather than making stuff up which I didn't ? Is it that you cannot ?
Four people, two crew members and two passengers, were believed by Federal investigators and the police to have been aboard the Lear 35 jet. The police could not confirm the number, or identities, of the victims ''We're dealing with body parts, not bodies,'' Chief Joseph Ranney said. ''Identification will be very difficult.'' Airplane parts were scattered in small pieces throughout the site on Garrett Mountain. Flames Higher Than Treetops
At the site, at Rifle Camp Road and Washington Drive near the Great Notch Reservoir, Federal, police and fire investigators sifted through the remains. The parts of the plane were scattered beneath trees, shrubs and rocks, and the smell of jet fuel permeated the air. The residents of nearby homes and the condomnium complex said the explosion rattled their homes and the flames lighted the early morning sky.
"High impact disasters, such as airplane crashes, typically result in severe fragmentation and degradation of human remains." Forensic aspects of mass disasters: Strategic considerations for DNA-based human identification. Budowle, Bieberb, Eisenbergc. Legal Medicine 7, 230–243, March 2005