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The Kids Aren't Alright

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posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 05:49 AM
reply to post by endisnighe

I'm starting to understand why Americans don't trust government.

Those have to be the most incompetent people on the face of the earth!

They are too bogged down by lawyers, special interests and campaigning to pull their head out of their ass and do their damn jobs!

I still support government, just not ours. That is why it needs to be decentralized, the people in Washington are so out of touch with reality it makes me sick.

Just like they have in the Nordics, all of the power needs to be given to the local level, then the state level, then the national level. All the Feds should be doing is making sure things are done right and laying a general outline of what needs to be done. The local level should handle how things are funded, the taxation and the distribution of things.

[edit on 6/13/2010 by Misoir]

posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 06:02 AM
reply to post by endisnighe

That is just me MISOIR. I have turned the corner. I have had it with being cerebral and trying to teach. Frell that, time to just tell people the way it is.

One of the most important aspects to teaching is telling it like it is. If you are not telling it like it is, then you are not teaching, just indoctrinating. Beyond that, teaching isn't about cramming ideas and facts down a persons throat, it is about helping others learn to think for themselves. I know you all ready know this, but it is easy to forget. Like the old Robert the Bruce told the younger Bruce:

"All men loose heart, all men betray"

But my brother, never forget what the younger Bruce replied:

"I don't want to loose heart! I want to believe like (Wallace) does!"

I know you have not lost heart, I know you believe. Keep your brave heart brother, and keep on teaching as best you can.

posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 06:12 AM
Polarization at its best! Can we be more defeatist?
Posters, stop your incessant bickering!
Remember, United we stand, Divided we fall.

This thread has officially been de-railed.

Back to the OP:
The Kids Aren't Alright.

Valid statement.
When you look around at the youth, you usually see two things.
1. They lean towards whatever is the most popular
2. They just don't care. (or have no clue as to what is going on around them)

When you take that in to consideration, along with the debt that is promised to them by the gov't....and the fact that:


That was the gov't up and down.
Sure, we might have elected the officials that voted, but in NO way are they representing us properly. The Amerikan public has (or had) no clue as to the size of debt they just inherited and charged to the future generations's...

I don't think its just the kids that aren't alright.
I think its everyone.

No one is alright. It's only getting worse by the day.

(btw, 75% or more of the youth I talk to WANT freebies from the gov't, they think they are entitled)
So if your entire life, you were promised a way to succeed, wouldn't you be mad if it never went according to plan?
Gotta love the American Dream.

posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 06:19 AM
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

The BRUCE was a woos.

He had the power to make a difference when IT MEANT SOMETHING.

I have attempted to make a difference in my life, and maybe I have. I have a few friends that have said I have changed their attitude.

BUT, to make a difference in just a few lives is a penance. It is almost as if it is just a tease or a persecution to my soul.

You asked or speculated on my last threads of my meanings. You were close, as to my meanings.

I am finding things almost Pavlovian in nature. I am finding Faust everywhere I look. I have not lost heart, only hardened it. My nephew and my eldest brother have told me in the past that I should dissolve my passions to save others and just prepare my own soul for redemption.

THAT is my torture because he gave me this heart and passion. He gave me it for a purpose and that JUST REALLY PISSES ME OFF. Sometimes I feel, I feel too much and other times I think I should just say enough is enough and say the human race deserves it's ultimate ending.

There is but one truth my friend, we are but literal actors in a play. We have stage direction but we have the choice to follow or lead. I have tried both, neither seem to be making a diff.

The family reunion is in a couple weeks, I think after that a new direction is necessary. I think I may go on walkabout. See what is out there, let the path be as what is laid.

Like my favorite actor in a show said "I am but a leaf on the wind, see me soar". And see where it leads me.

posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 06:45 AM
reply to post by endisnighe

When compared to William Wallace, The Bruce could seem like a wuss, but this is the wuss who continued to fight for Scottish independence in spite of all odds, and in 1314 at the Battle of Bannockburn, where he and his men were outnumbered 10 to 1, and this battle became the decisive battle in the War of Scottish Independence. While the legend of Robert the Bruce and the spider varies as to when and where it took place, this legend thrives to this day.

After being defeated soundly in a battle Robert the Bruce escaped and hid in a cave for several months. It was the lowest point in his life and he thought of leaving the country to never return and just simply give up. However, while hiding in this cave he watched a spider attempting to weave its web. At some point the spider got disconnected from his web high up on the caves ceiling and being across the cave and away from the web, the spider diligently climbed up the side of the cave and spun a web string that would swing him to the other side and back to his web. He swung towards the web but missed, and fell back to the ground. Undaunted the spider crawled back to the opposite side and crawled back up the wall and tried again, and missed again. The spider made several attempts, each time failing, but never, not once, did the spider surrender. Finally, after countless efforts the spider made his swing and was reconnected to his web.

This was Robert the Bruce's epiphany and he realized that failure is just part of the game, but it is not how many times one fails that is the measure of a man, it is how many times that man keeps trying. And thus, Robert the Bruce left the cave and assembled his men and went on the decisive victory at Bannockburn.

Go on your walk-a-bout if you must, it might do you good, as I have no doubt that along your journey you just might find that the kids are all right after all!

posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 07:01 AM
Yeah, being Gen Y really sucks. We have no future in this current system.

posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 02:17 PM
How is this becoming Leftist v. Right Wing? It's not. It's generational. Besides the point, the Liberal/Democratic party isn't *actually* Left wing, they are centralist. Just as the Republicans aren't actually Right wing. Well, maybe the Neo-Cons and Conservative Christians, but they're a special breed of crazy.

It's not that college kids, or those like me in their mid-twenties to early thirties, are more politically active or aware (i'd say each generation has roughly the same proportion of activists and agitators).... It's two things: All of the youth that fall into the 'generation me' category: They DO feel entitled. Even to asinine things like wealth and fame. They DO feel like they should make six-figures and not have to work more than 40 hours a week (you want the Beemer, you should be working your ass off for it).... They are going to be pissed when that entitlement/instant gratification is yanked away from them.

But more than that, it's that the generation we're talking about is realizing that the world is completely different, and changed for the worse, from the one our parents grew up in. No longer does a college degree ensure employment that pays a LIVING wage, no longer are corporations endorsing a culture of grooming and promoting from within... Which means, no more 'start in the stock-room, end in the board-room' stories. We also see that the executives can make bad decisions, leading to the lay off of hundreds, or thousands of low level employees... and they get what? Golden Parachutes. The majority of businesses ARE small mom&pop types. But they're getting muscled out by the bully tactics of international megacorps with bottomless pockets.
There are a lot of us that can't get 'job experience' because we can't get an initial job which would give us the experience (we can't get the initial job because we don't have the job experience we need the job to recieve, catch 22).
Yet... we're expected to act like we live in the same world we were in 20-30 years ago.

Most of us don't feel we have a RIGHT to a job, but we do feel we have a right to a reasonable opportunity to one that allows us to not have to decide which bill we don't pay this month. we DO feel it's inappropriate for executives to make excessive monetary wealth at the expense of society as a whole. we WANT to contribute to society, and work for a living, but are not being allowed the opportunity to do so.

Obviously from my post I am one of the unemployed/underemployed, just as i would assume many people in the 'no one has the right to a job / you'll take my gun from my cold dead hands' are in positions where they are long since removed from situations where a bowl of soup AND a sandwich is considered a feast.
People that think not having a job is the fault of the unemployed person are the same rat finks that probably believe that the homeless must have done something to deserve to live on the streets.

posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 02:51 PM
reply to post by FuzzyDunlop

Star for you my friend.

Its seems that this was a pro-union, pro-protectionism post that went askew at some point.

My family is union going back generations (back almost to Haymarket), but listening to the old timers, I think some of the reasons that unions have become weaker are as follows:

1. Union leaders (top level) are the sons of sons of union leaders. Most never swung a hammer or pulled some wire. i.e. the Hoffas. They are just as disassociated with the average worker as most CEOs (and paid about the same).

2. NAFTA. How in the world did that get passed without comparable EPA and OSHA rules enacted by all parties to create a truly even playing field? Why weren't any workers' rights to collectivelly bargain with their employers not included.

3. If the unions are truly "international", then why aren't union leaders rallying people in Mexico, or any other NAFTA or free trade countries for that matter, to fight for their employment rights? It took fighting, shooting and killing on the streets of Chicago at the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century to get those rights here. Why not do the same there? (By the way, don't use "the goverment of (insert counrty) won't allow it" argument here. Our government (and certainly the Chicago Police Department) didn't allow here either.)

4. Why, with the exit of many jobs and industries that were tradionally unionized, hasn't the unions expanded into organizing the variety of office workers who are some of the most abused by corporations?

Just curious.

posted on Jun, 15 2010 @ 03:37 PM
reply to post by indianajoe77

Thanks, friend-o.
And, I agree that unions, or at least their effectiveness, has been derailed by leaders with no connection to the workers they are supposed to represent. I'm also confused as to why so many seemingly (and quite likely - actually) intelligent people are anti-union.
The chipping away of the unions ability to protect its membership has led to lower standards of living, as well as increasingly unsafe work environments for workers in these fields (keeping in mind, a lot of unions represent people in often dangerous blue-collar jobs).
A corporation only exists to create profit for the shareholder (solution: eliminate the stock market and the false/inflated wealth it creates) and not to the employees actually making the profit, or the communities the profit is made in, or the environment affected by the corporation's practices. Regulations HAVE to be in place to stop big business from destroying everything it touches in the name of the bottom line, because their legal responsibility to, and only to, shareholders ENSURES their accountability is to fiscal growth alone. They cannot stop themselves, so we must stop them.

Trickle-down economics have consistently and continually been proven not to work. Why? because the rich don't shop at Walmart - they buy villas in the south of france.

Not only do we need protectionism, but we need to refocus commerce on the local. Instead of buying shoes from international company X, we should be buying shoes from Joe the Cobbler that lives down the street. We should be focussing on preserving and encourage local farming as much as possible, instead of industrial farming.

It's incredibly STUPID to not immediately work to create decent jobs for those who are just entering or about to enter the work force. People are obviously driven to do what needs to be done to stay alive. If a legal and peaceable option is not available, then survival will be found through illegal and violent means. Oddly, most people are willing to fight to the death to stay alive. And working 76 hour weeks at two or more minimum wage jobs to scrape by isn't an acceptable alternative.

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 05:19 PM
Our kids today are under a barrage. From the main stream media, the pc shows they watch, and the teachers with alterior motives about our childrens education. We need to fight back. We need to teach our children to watch for these things and point them out. We need to teach our children ourselves and not rely on the government to do it for us. We may lose a whole generation or many generations for that matter out of pure laziness.

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 05:23 PM
Well, right, the kids aren't all right, considering we've allowed at least an entire generation to be drugged and brainwashed into believing they're worse than people from other countries as far as corporate demand for their "skills: and overpampered even more into believing that dodge ball is dangerous and no one ever wins a game (trophies for all or no one!) But we know that's been by design so the plutocracy could have their say and way. I'm not sure how much of this is truly "political" though.

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 06:59 PM
Why must you assume all the 'kids' today are on the 'left'. that is pure BS.

Im 18...and guess what. Im as conservative as they come.

Why must you all assume that all these college kids are liberals,etc? because a few polls said so? Give me a freakin break.

Yeah there has been some studies saying kids who went to college became more liberal. The same study also said that those same kids who focused more on history because much more conservative.

Being a history buff myself and being very conservative i dont doubt that one bit.

Oh there will be a revolution. But it wont come from our generation like you are talking about. WHY? because they entitlement minded. Our generation grew up havin anything it wanted. It grew up with XBOX and other mass media distractions.

They grew up with the government doul and where almost everyone went to college.

All these college kids that are pissed are pissed because they cant have there entitlements anymore. They grew up with mommy and daddy baby boomer coddling them and living vicariously through them.

They are figuring out how hard it is to make it into the world. Now that banks are not loaning out money to they can get there WORTHLESS degree.....they are pissed.

Our generation has NO work ethic at all. There was a recent study that showed that this generation is in fact staying at home longer then previous generations.

This generation is nothing but a bunch of children in grown up bodies. With the passage of obamacare college kids can stay on there parents insurance till age 26. ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDIN ME?

Im sorry but you are WRONG.

This generation is horrible,lazy,and STUPID.

You cant turn around and say i say this because im from a older generation....I AM OF THIS GENERATION.


The only thing i would hate to see is the next generation....our children.

It is generation me at its finest. We believe we are entitled to everything under the sun. Its not all our fault though yeah...i mean thats what we have been taught!

But its gotten out of control.

Trust me....i hope this generation just somehow dies off. because this world will be destroyed if we get power. picture a bunch of kids in charge of the world with playground politics.

God it will be a NIGHTMARE.

and to the poster above who said something about how those thinking 'having a job is not a right/take my guns from my cold dead hands'.


I agreed with everything else but that.

You are NOT entitled to a job. Having a job is not a right. its not even a privelage.

And it sounds to me like you dont support the second ammendment.

Well let me tell you this right now.


and thats from a 18 year old CONSERVATIVE.

and dont say i have never been in that position you talked about. I HAVE. but i came out of it different then you. I have had troubles and have almost starved to death MANY times.

So you dont ASSUME all of us right leaning conservative live a life of wealth or indulgence.

[edit on 16-6-2010 by empireofpain]

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 07:10 PM
reply to post by empireofpain

I'm 18 and I'm about as Liberal as they come.

I prefer the term Traditional Democrat. Like FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ. I have never been entitled to anything, I even went without getting new clothes for 3 years and spent my whole life in poverty. I too have gone without food many of times growing up in a mobile home in Florida, most people I KNEW have turned out drug addicts/dealers. And you know what I do now?

I work with my friend in our own business, I catch fish and he sells them. We make okay money and I have my own apartment with 3 friends and going to college. I'm not lazy and entitled to anything but I am still very left-wing.

[edit on 6/16/2010 by Misoir]

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by empireofpain

I'm 18 and I'm about as Liberal as they come.

I prefer the term Traditional Democrat. Like FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ. I have never been entitled to anything, I even went without getting new clothes for 3 years and spent my whole life in poverty. And you know what I do now?

I work with my friend in our own business, I catch fish and he sells them. We make okay money and I have my own apartment with 3 friends and going to college. I'm not lazy and entitled to anything but I am still very left-wing.

Thats fine and dandy. But im tired of everyone assuming kids our age are all liberal. its just retarded.

Like everyone assumes everyone our age is atheist are some crap like that. im agnostic but refuse to be called athiest.

Im conservative/libertarian. im firmly against communism and socialism.

BUT im also against those dang FALSE conservative neo-cons.

Although i think you could have better icons or idols.

[edit on 16-6-2010 by empireofpain]

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 07:17 PM
reply to post by empireofpain

One of my best friends is about as Conservative as they come, although I doubt being a strong Bush supporter helps his small government arguments. And actually most people I know are very conservative and it makes me sick.

As for the icons, who do you think I should like? Reagan? Bush? Palin? Hahahaha that's funny. At least I don't like that trash Obama-Clinton-Carter.

I'm Atheist-Agnostic. Which means no belief in god but believes gods existence is possible. And actually if you read about Neocons they actually come from the old Socialist Party USA and left when the party fell apart. I more closely identify with Social Democracy, where you have private business and a market economy but with a large welfare state and a lot of public services.

[edit on 6/16/2010 by Misoir]

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 07:29 PM
You know what really gets to me.

The division.

Everyone wants their ideology in place and they just keep turning their backs on anyone who has a differing opinion.

Screw your conservatism. Screw your liberalism. Screw you isms. Wake up and realize that it comes down to so much more than that.

Isms are what got us here in the first place.

I'm 24 - I went to college, and couldn't get a job that paid enough for me to survive. My family had no money, and if they did it was spent on themselves.

So I had to drop-out to support my own life.

Now I've lost the job that supported me, and I'm running out of options.

People talk about working for themselves. That takes financing. I'm sorry, it does.

You need the tools to do any job. If you can't afford those tools, then you can't do the job.

Stop defending your isms. They aren't going to feed you.

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 07:45 PM

Conservative Republicans are such paragons of virtue and truth that they claim that Bill Clinton's administration was "the most corrupt administration in American history" despite the fact that history contradicts everything about that statement.
Despite the fact that the President and first lady, and many members of the Clinton administration were charged with crimes, their accusers fell flat on their faces when they had to prove their trumped up charges in court almost every time, because there was no credible evidence or witnesses to justify the charges brought by their Republican enemies and touted by their countless friends in the mainstream media.
Contrast that to the great numbers of the Republican administration of Ronald Reagan who were not just charged, but were found guilty, but which most Americans don't remember because the so-called "Liberal media" rarely, if ever, make any mention of them. See the actual names & crimes below.
The contenders for the title of "the most corrupt administration in American history" are all Republican administrations. It may be hard to order them exactly, but the contenders for the first, second, third & fourth "most corrupt administrations in American history" are the Republican administrations of Grant, Harding, Nixon and Reagan.
Ronald Reagan's Criminal Administration:

"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."
from p. 184,Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years, by Haynes Johnson, (1991, Doubleday), as are the examples below:

James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. In testifying before a House committee Watt said: "That's what they offered and it sounded like a lot of money to me, and we settled on it." Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.
Although not convicted, Edwin Meese III, resigned as Reagan's Attorney General after having been the subject of investigations by the United States Office of the Independent Counsel on two occasions (Wedtech and Iran-Contra), during the 3 short years he was in office.

E. Bob Wallach, close friend and law classmate of Attorney General Edwin Meese, was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $250,000 in connection with the Wedtech influence-peddling scandal.
Lyn Nofziger – Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal.
Michael Deaver received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House.
The Iran-Contra scandal. In June, 1984, at a National Security Council meeting, CIA Director Casey urged President Reagan to seek third-party aid for the Nicaraguan contras. Secretary of State Schultz warned that it would be an "impeachable offense" if the U.S. government acted as conduit for such secret funding. But that didn't stop them. That same day, Oliver North was seeking third-party aid for the contras. But Reagan, the "teflon President" avoided serious charges or impeachment.
Casper Weinberger was Secretary of Defense during Iran-Contra. In June 1992 he was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of concealing from congressional investigators and prosecutors thousands of pages of his handwritten notes. The personal memoirs taken during high level meetings, detailed events in 1985 and 1986 involving the Iran-Contra affair. Weinberger claimed he was being unfairly prosecuted because he would not provide information incriminating Ronald Reagan. Weinberger was scheduled to go on trial January 5, 1993, where the contents of his notes would have come to light and may have implicated other, unindicted conspirators. While Weinberger was never directly linked to the covert operations phase of the Iran-Contra affair, he is believed to have been involved in the cover-up of the ensuing scandal. According to Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, Weinberger's notes contain evidence of a conspiracy among the highest ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to congress and the American public. Some of the notes are believed to have evidence against then Vice-President George Bush who pardoned Weinberger to keep him from going to trial.
Raymond Donovan, Secretary of Labor indicted for defrauding the New York City Transit Authority of $7.4. million.
[ Republicans will point out that Donovan was acquitted. And that really matters in Donovan's case, because he was a Republican. But it didn't matter for Clinton or any of his cabinet, most all of whom were acquitted, because they were Democrats!]
Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush.
Robert C. McFarlane was appointed Ronald Reagan's National Security Advisor in October 1983 and become well-known as a champion of the MX missile program in his role as White House liaison to congress. In 1984, Mc Farlane initiated the review of U.S. policy towards Iran that led directly to the arms for hostages deal. He also supervised early National Security Council efforts to support the Contras. Shortly after the Iran-Contra scandal was revealed in early 1987, McFarlane took an overdose of the tranquilizer Valium in an attempt to end his life. In his own words: "What really drove me to despair was a sense of having failed the country." McFarlane pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush.
Oliver North – Convicted of falsifying and destroying documents, accepting an illegal gratuity, and aiding and abetting the obstruction of Congress. Conviction overturned on appeal due to legal technicalities.
John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, – guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing.
Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra.
Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Fiers agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for having his felonies reduced to misdemeanors and his testimony gave a boost to the long standing criminal investigation of Lawrence Walsh, Special Prosecutor. Fiers testified that he and three CIA colleagues knew by mid-1986 that profits from the TOW and HAWK missile sales to Iran were being diverted to the Contras months before it became public knowledge. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush.
Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. In August 1992 a hung jury led U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth to declare a mistrial in the case of Clair George who was accused of concealing from Congress his knowledge of the Iran-Contra affair. George had been named by Alan Fiers when Fiers turned state's evidence for Lawrence Walsh's investigation. In a second trial on charges of perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice, George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Those charges would have carried a mandatory 10 months in prison upon conviction. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush.

[edit on 16-6-2010 by ofhumandescent]

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 07:51 PM
reply to post by ofhumandescent

– Columnist David Broder
"The task of watering the arid desert between Reagan's ears is a challenging one for his aides."

– Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan) talking about her father,
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
The Way I See It
– Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was like preparing the President for a press conference:
" reinventing the wheel."
(Speaking Out: The Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House)
– Mark Green,
"This loathing for government, this eagerness to prove that any program to aid the disadvantaged is nothing but a boondoggle and a money gobbler, leads him to contrive statistics and stories with unmatched vigor."
Reagan's Reign of Error
– former president Jimmy Carter, March 6, 1984
"President Reagan doesn't always check the facts before he makes statements, and the press accepts this as kind of amusing."
– James David Barber, presidential scholar, "Ronald Reagan is the first modern President whose contempt for the facts is treated as a charming idiosyncrasy."
(On Bended Knee: The Press and the Reagan Presidency, Mark Hertsgaard)
– Simon Hoggart
"His errors glide past unchallenged. At one point...he alleged that almost half the population gets a free meal from the government each day. No one told him he was crazy. The general message of the American press is that, yes, while it is perfectly true that the emperor has no clothes, nudity is actually very acceptable this year."
, in The Observer (London), 1986

"Divine Guidance" shows that the Reagans' idea of "Divine Guidance" was fortune-tellers:
"Virtually every major move and decision the Reagans made during my time as White House Chief of Staff was cleared in advance with a woman in San Francisco who drew up horoscopes to make certain that the planets were in a favorable alignment for the enterprise."
– Donald Regan (Reagan's former chief of staff), For the Record: From Wall Street to Washington
"It wasn't widely circulated until the publication of Donald Regan's memoir, For the Record in 1988, that President Reagan and his influential wife sought the advice of an astrologer. Time magazine would later identify Ron and Nancy's chart reader as being San Francisco astrologist Joan Quigley. Quigley was not the first astrologer the Reagans had consulted. Ronald and Nancy Reagan had a long history of involvement with astrologers and psychics. During the 1950's and 1960's, Ron and Nancy enlisted the services of Hollywood astrologer Carroll Righter, and later Jeane Dixon. In his 1965 autobiography, Where's the Rest of Me?, Reagan said that he and Righter were friends, and that he and Nancy read Righter's column "regularly." (It was on Righter's advice that Reagan postponed his inauguration as governor of California for 9 minutes until the auspicious moment of 12:10 a.m.)"

"For fundamentalist preachers like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell – who proclaimed Reagan a standard-bearer of Christian righteousness – the astrology matter should have been of particular concern. Astrology is a branch of the occult and is inimical to Christianity. However, if the fundamentalist leaders were concerned or embarrassed by the astrology revelations, they didn't show it. (They also ignored the fact that Reagan rarely attended church.)"

------------------- Ronald Reagan's Record "Firsts" --------------------

First to serve as Governor on a "conservative" platform and increase spending by 112%.

First Governor to increase personal income taxes by 60%, increase the cigarette tax by 200%, and increase state tax collections by 152%.

First to have a popularity rating of only 35% after his first two years in office.

First to have had a shotgun wedding.

First president to have been divorced.

First to increase spending by 80% – in only 8 years.

First to spend more in eight years than was spent in prior 50 years.

First to cut taxes by 60% for his rich pals.

First to have increased the national debt faster than growth of national income.

First to "almost": triple the national debt.

First to increase the national debt faster than growth of GDP.

First to double the deficit.

First to turn America into a debtor nation.

First to set a record for the largest one day percentage decline in the DOW in history. 10-19-87.

First to have "real" interest rates of 8% after averaging 1% over 35 years.

First to keep prime interest rates at 20%.

First to have home loan interest rates as high as 16%.

First to allow the savings and loan industry to be raided after signing a deregulatory bill and proclaiming "I think we have hit the jackpot". Come and get it the vaults are unguarded.

First to send an autographed Bible to a man he called "The Satan of Terrorists".

First to have an admiral plead the Fifth Amendment.

First to have a stealing, lying, gutless wife abusing Marine LT. Colonel plead the Fifth Amendment.

First to have a sitting cabinet member indicted.

First to have an Assistant Secretary of State indicted.

First to have an Asistant Secretary of Defense sent to prison.

First to have over 100 members of an administration charged with crimes.

First to have more members of his administration charged with crimes than the cumulative total of all other presidents in the twentieth century.

First to testify "under oath" 130 times that "I don't remember".

First to have an Admiral with a photographic memory testify 128 times " I don't remember".

First to repeatedly falsify his wife's age, as though anyone cared.

First to promote his religious faith and while never having an active membership in any church.

First to never use the term Jesus Christ in speeches.

First to have unemployment at 10.8% since great depression.

First to attack a small unprotected nation with 88,000 inhabitants and 10,000 bb guns, and then proclaim "America stands tall again". "we have whipped the Vietnam Syndrome. We have defeated communism".

#1-in farm foreclosures.

#1-In bank failures.

#1-In Savings and Loan failures.

#1-In percent increase in personal bankruptcies.

#1-In having servicemen killed during peacetime.

#1-In largest drop in popularity in one week.

#1-In being first to honor Nazi Storm Troopers by calling them" Innocent Victims".

First to lie - over and over- to reporters "I do not dye my hair; my barber uses a special shampoo."

First to have a wife who "forced" him to wear three suits in one day.

First to boast "Not bad for a dumb guy who worked only 20 hours per week".

First to have his wife sit nearby and whisper answers to questions.

First to have his press secretary remove him from the microphone when he could not answer questions. (When the reporter shouted out "answer my question", the president replied "my handlers won't let me speak").

First to have a Special Assistant say on national TV "sometimes you had to hit him on the head with a 2 x 4 to get his attention".

#1-In needing a staff person standby during press conferences to tell the press "what he really meant".

#1-In recorded misstatements.

#1-In never having a single press conference in which he did not make incorrect statements.

First to invite the Pope to visit the White House and "bring the wife and kids".

First to fall asleep while the Pope spoke.

First 20th Century president to have historians rate him below every president of the 20th except for Richard Nixon. 1994 Poll.

First to have been openly alienated from his children.

First to suggest his eldest son undergo psychiatric examination.

First to have been voted in British polls (twice) as the "most feared leader in the world" sic em Rambo.

First to have his official biographer state on national TV: 'After he was shot in 1981, he got slower and slower each year. His speech got slower. He deliberated more and he hesitated more when he spoke. He lost his physical quickness and would not make decisions on the spot. It was a very, very slow and steady mental and physical decline".

First president to have the Geriatrics Department of a major university study his behavior and conclude that after three years in office he had Alzheimer's.
First to have over $10,000,000 increase in wealth from serving for 8 years as president.


Research the Reagan legacy, it's not just or fair to the common man, you had the wool pulled over your eyes. You didn't research deep enough and gulped the corporate kool aid.

[edit on 16-6-2010 by ofhumandescent]

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:09 PM

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

The BRUCE was a woos.

He had the power to make a difference when IT MEANT SOMETHING.

I have attempted to make a difference in my life, and maybe I have. I have a few friends that have said I have changed their attitude.

BUT, to make a difference in just a few lives is a penance. It is almost as if it is just a tease or a persecution to my soul.

You asked or speculated on my last threads of my meanings. You were close, as to my meanings.

I am finding things almost Pavlovian in nature. I am finding Faust everywhere I look. I have not lost heart, only hardened it. My nephew and my eldest brother have told me in the past that I should dissolve my passions to save others and just prepare my own soul for redemption.

THAT is my torture because he gave me this heart and passion. He gave me it for a purpose and that JUST REALLY PISSES ME OFF. Sometimes I feel, I feel too much and other times I think I should just say enough is enough and say the human race deserves it's ultimate ending.

There is but one truth my friend, we are but literal actors in a play. We have stage direction but we have the choice to follow or lead. I have tried both, neither seem to be making a diff.

The family reunion is in a couple weeks, I think after that a new direction is necessary. I think I may go on walkabout. See what is out there, let the path be as what is laid.

Like my favorite actor in a show said "I am but a leaf on the wind, see me soar". And see where it leads me.

This post really tugged at my heart in a way very little else has around here.

I have a great deal of respect for your blunt honesty. I have seen you post things on ATS that would get you directly on a terrorist watch list. You've got balls, and most of your views are dead on but.

This its scary how much we have in common. You are all heart and passion brother and by God is that a horrible burden to bear, Atlas should be so lucky. I have walked a parallel path in this life and sometimes the weight is crushing. It does seem as if a pennance, but I believe us older souls are saddled with a great task and burden because we are near transitioning instead of reincarnation which is where the average person is trapped. Much of my life has been an exercise in futility. And ive been abandoned many times for my loyalty, principles and lack of betrayal. I know I was put here for a very important task that has yet to be shown, and the wait is killing me. I have come to a similar conclusion and am preparing for my Walkabout and getting off the grid.

This regieme we live under is so oppresive to the spirit that jobs is all we care about anymore. I no longer wish to support this spiritual theft and utter destruction of what makes us human.Freedom can only be had with responsibility and government can never allow you to be responsible for yourself thus it would have no reason to exist. Thank you for your post.

posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:32 PM
reply to post by ofhumandescent

That is getting printed and going in "the bag" so the next conservative Jack off who spouts off about how great a president Regan was is going to get an earfull. Thank you for sharing.

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