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The coming confrontation with Canada over the Northwest Passage

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posted on Jun, 17 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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Noone is going to confront our --I mean Americas nuclear subs littering the Arctic.There is no threat to our control of the passage.

Nor will there ever be.




posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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Right! I hope you Canadians like vodka!


 
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posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:22 AM
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Haha that's funny. Canada vs USA. That's even funnier than canada vs Russia!


 
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posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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And your Arizona boarder, umm maybe send them one of those subs or something, cause they pretty much need to be controlled down there right??



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute.
Talk about disinformation.
So you’re trying to tell me that Canada has a military?
Source and proof plz.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 07:45 AM
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Georgebush,we like Vodka all right ,served with a glass of icewater that comes from the two thirds of the worlds drinking water that seems to have
little Maple Leafs floating in it.

That big land border is watched by our Native Canadian special forces unit,they are equipped with anti-wheelchair mines and are prepared to rain down good old 100%fiber down on any slowmovers they spot attempting an incursion over the borser.

As any American who comes North soon learns its not who has the guns its WHY and WHEN they will use them that matters.





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posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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Truth is my American friends we have the title belt wrapped around our waist,history says last time we met ,the US and CANADA that is,we kicked your sorry butts.

Thats why we hold the belt.


Its you that hasnt come for another crack at the title,we just thought you were still hurtin.

I think your army will be a little busy making rice for the 30 million single men who cant find wives in China right now.

Hows things going over there with our Mexican friends,oh yes you forgot we have a LOT of friends,some in low places.

Imagine a world where Canada doesnt like the US,who the heck would be massed along that huge land border?At your back door?

You thought Cuba was close,eh?

not only do we hold the belt but we also now have the best management team.
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posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by g146541
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute.
Talk about disinformation.
So you’re trying to tell me that Canada has a military?
Source and proof plz.


Sorry no proof or pics

We are few but feisty
, and all citizens would become militarized if necessary. Besides, anyone from the south would want to retreat by the time October rolled around, west coast is biblical rain amounts, east coast is ice storms and hurricanes, and the middle is -40 for the winter. No one wants our cold land, and almost all of our resources are in the north, and many are co owned by other countries. Even yours. I think we could almost put weapons in the paws of the mosquitoes this year, they are as big as bats

Besides, other than the middle east extremists, who would want to attack Canada?
We are like the world's melting pot of people, we have so many people from all around the world, I don't even know if we have any minorities anymore.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by g146541
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute.
Talk about disinformation.
So you’re trying to tell me that Canada has a military?
Source and proof plz.



Oh my God. I cannot believe no one else has starred this post. Really. This is the funniest thing I have read in days.

Yeah, i know it is a jab at Canada. But stereotypes are funny. That is why we laugh at them. Just like when someone makes a joke jabbing fat and apathetic Americans, that is funny (and i am a fat American).

In a former company i worked for, we had US and Canadian sites. There was always friendly jabbing going on back and forth between us the the Canadians. Good folks, great sense of humor. While the political mindset is a little left leaning for my tastes, i really like the philosophical nature of the average Canadian that I have met.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
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What? No one better pick on Canada, its my favorite state!

Joking. Please dont burn the Whitehouse again.


And Alaska is my favorite province!!!

Actually, as much as Canadians always seem to boast about burning down the Whitehouse, wasn't it actually the British who did this? I read on wikipedia (okay - not worlds most reliable authority) that British troops burned down the White House in retaliation for the burning of the parlaiment building in Upper Canada (that is now the Province (not state) of Ontario in the Dominion (not Republic) of Canada.)



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
I dunno, I am going to have to say that the northwest passage is Canada's to do with what it wants. I don't think it's international.


Its probably owned by the Inuit, or Quebec, but we like to claim it as Canadian because it makes us a bigger and more impressive look on those Atlases. Expecially on those Mercator projections. (just joking)

But the US always claims everything as there own and acts like it owns everything anyways. I'm sure they patrol these waters with their subs without asking Canada's permission. I believe they probably sometimes enter Georgia Strait between BC mainland and Vancouver Island on sub patrols. Canada has some subs but they are old hand-me-downs from the UK (which is better than nothing).

As far as the NW passage goes, better the US bullying their way there than North Korea and China or Russia I figure. But technically, I'm pretty sure that international courts would back up Canada's territorial claim.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by bluestreak53

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
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What? No one better pick on Canada, its my favorite state!

Joking. Please dont burn the Whitehouse again.


And Alaska is my favorite province!!!




A little off topic here but:

Think of how cool the map of USA would look if we traded Saskatchewan for Alaska
The weather is the same, the resources are probably similar, It would look like the US was flippin off the world.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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First of all, I would like to thank all of the Canadian posters who have chosen to display the very kind of antagonistic arrogance and ignorance they so often like to pin on us, their southerly neighbors. I have always marveled at that particular class of Canadian that insists their brand of nationalism is pure simply because it isn't American.

Second, it is important to point out that my impression of the majority of Canadians is one of high regard and that I do not place most of them in the class I mentioned above. I tend to think that the former British Empire and colonies are part of a brotherhood that spans across the globe and that our cooperation, common cultural roots and goals have tacitly existed throughout many global crises and will remain so for years to come.

I for one would not suffer to see an attack on your land any more than I would my own. If there were somehow a threat to Canada implied in ships passing through the NW Passage I would be willing to support you in whatever course you took to mitigate the risks.

I do caution, however, that whatever steps you take should not be so dismissive of America, as you WILL need us if the other powers decide to challenge your authority, just as we WILL need you and HAVE needed you at our side in the past.

Canada can find a way to profit, maintain security, and allow some form of "free" passage that everyone can agree on. Whatever sense of "isolationism" you may harbor is only because America has been so "expeditionary" and when the conflict arrives on your doorstep you will not be able to maintain such a pure free hand any longer.

God bless the potential you may have on your hands. Welcome to the game. We are at your disposal if you wish.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by snowspirit

Originally posted by bluestreak53

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
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What? No one better pick on Canada, its my favorite state!

Joking. Please dont burn the Whitehouse again.


And Alaska is my favorite province!!!




A little off topic here but:

Think of how cool the map of USA would look if we traded Saskatchewan for Alaska
The weather is the same, the resources are probably similar, It would look like the US was flippin off the world.


Naww. Wouldn't it be better if we traded Quebec for Alaska? We could throw in Duceppe and Harper as part of the deal and they could keep Sarah Palin - we'ed trade her for Tina Fey.

Anyways, I think we should officially change the name of Canada to "The Dominion of Canada" as it sounds as massive and overblown as the territorial limits of this vast land.

We get rid of the PM and elect our Governor General who would of course be William Shatner. The Americans burn the House of Commons to the ground after realizing they got the raw end of the deal so GG Shatner builds a massive airship which is his official residence and Canadian government central.

Uh, where were we?



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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I had to look at a map. The map wouldn't look as cool for the US, but I see your point, some good thinking there


I doubt they would accept Quebec though.....



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by NightShift
First of all, I would like to thank all of the Canadian posters who have chosen to display the very kind of antagonistic arrogance and ignorance they so often like to pin on us, their southerly neighbors. I have always marveled at that particular class of Canadian that insists their brand of nationalism is pure simply because it isn't American.

Second, it is important to point out that my impression of the majority of Canadians is one of high regard and that I do not place most of them in the class I mentioned above. I tend to think that the former British Empire and colonies are part of a brotherhood that spans across the globe and that our cooperation, common cultural roots and goals have tacitly existed throughout many global crises and will remain so for years to come.

I for one would not suffer to see an attack on your land any more than I would my own. If there were somehow a threat to Canada implied in ships passing through the NW Passage I would be willing to support you in whatever course you took to mitigate the risks.

I do caution, however, that whatever steps you take should not be so dismissive of America, as you WILL need us if the other powers decide to challenge your authority, just as we WILL need you and HAVE needed you at our side in the past.

Canada can find a way to profit, maintain security, and allow some form of "free" passage that everyone can agree on. Whatever sense of "isolationism" you may harbor is only because America has been so "expeditionary" and when the conflict arrives on your doorstep you will not be able to maintain such a pure free hand any longer.

God bless the potential you may have on your hands. Welcome to the game. We are at your disposal if you wish.


Thank you and I hope you realize that Canadians (at least most Canadians), are most appreciative of our southern neighbour and main ally and trading partner.

It is truly sad to see the terrible spill in the gulf - a spill which will soon be ekeing its way onto all the Atlantic Shores including those on Canada's east coast. This is a reminder that we all share one planet and our futures are all intertwined no matter what our nationality and citensenship.

I'm sure that the people in the UK are upset about the oil spill also and would like to see the spill cleaned up and reparations to all those who have been impacted by this huge and devastating tragedy.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Ultimately I would trust Canada to be fair about what they do with the NW Passage. I am just weary of the reactionary elements here in the US and really hate to see that kind of babble taking any kind of root anywhere else. Too many people too willing to take the hard line these days; maybe they forgot where all that talk was taking us during the Cold War.

It is wise of you to mention the spill as that would certainly be a factor for you if tankers were going to navigate the NW Passage. I appreciate your concern and can see how that also factors in for Canada. If Canada takes the initiative to monitor and maintain the Passage, I don't think any nation could argue that they would have a right to charge and regulate it since you would then be the ones ensuring safe navigation. And I certainly think that Canada has the right to claim that they should be the ones who get to do that. It is your backyard.

It would be best if Canada sets up shop with any dredging, icebreaking, policing and port building and then negotiates from there. It shows good faith and gives you the upper hand, not to mention a pretty indisputable right to regulate the passage!



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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Oh, I think I finally "get it". Saskatchewan would be a very prominent middle finger above the "fist" formed by the US lower 48. I don't think that would be very polite...



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 08:41 PM
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On a more serious note,no one will dispute anything with Canada,bicker,yes,battle for,NO WAY.

If you challenge us on this militarily ,then you challenge all major world powers because it means you might take our resources in a conflict and tip the balance of world power.Our oil and Water and Diamonds,sorry ,screw with us and the bloody HUTTERITES will throw everything at you.

Canada will remain safe by proxy,LIKE SWITZERLAND HAS.

The diamond may change hands but it remains the diamond no matter what hands hold it.



posted on Jun, 18 2010 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by NightShift
First of all, I would like to thank all of the Canadian posters who have chosen to display the very kind of antagonistic arrogance and ignorance they so often like to pin on us, their southerly neighbors. I have always marveled at that particular class of Canadian that insists their brand of nationalism is pure simply because it isn't American.


Let me explain something to you. For all of life's mysteries that you Americans insist on creating large and destructive machines in order to understand, we are able to comprehend through exposure to nature, weed and mushrooms. The US has lead a global campaign against natural mind expansion and now simply smoking marijuana is a crime (even though it has no victim). You tell me why I should show your country any empathy when it is entirely based on hypocracy and brutality on other cultures.


God bless the potential you may have on your hands. Welcome to the game. We are at your disposal if you wish.


The Queen needs your help like she needs a kick to her box. Your country is a disease and it can only be cured one bullet at a time. Every chance for social evolution in the modern world has been decimated by US lead massacre because the US believes it should be the pinnacle of humanity. The world is now stuck in limbo because of this, because the US is a failed model of society that should have fell apart and reconstructed years ago.

You think your culture has anything on ours? We are able to achieve purpose and happiness without the need to be rich or to whore ourselves out on television. Your culture is false and without soul, finding its only purpose in causing senseless wars around the world. If you were truly American, you would have changed your government yourself as it is your duty as a citizen of a democratic country... but you failed and your country is now failing.

Keep your corruption away from us and our peace loving people.




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