Well, I suppose we can go over it again. The individual artifacts have been discussed again... and again... and again.
Originally posted by anon72
Are you aware that "ALL CULTURES BEGAN SUDDENLY" and were fully developed? A long preliminary period is not supported by archaeology.
Really? I've done some archaeology field work and I've *NEVER* heard that all cultures begin suddenly. They all have precursors -- but only
archaeologists get excited over the fieldwork.
Before cities on earth, there was nothing. There was no transition whatsoever between the ancient civilizations and any primitive
Sure there was. We're finding neolithic villages and settlements all the time.
They were at their peak from the beginning. : ...Great cities, enormous temples, pyramids of overwhelming size. Colossal statues with
tremendous expressive power. Luxurious tunnels and tombs. Splendid streets flanked by magnificent sculpture, perfect drainage systems.
Uhm, if by "perfect" you mean 'human waste tossed out the window/outside the house, then yes. If by 'pyramids of overwhelming size you mean the
small 6-8 foot mastabas that are far older than the pyramids, then yes.
A decimal system at the very start.
If history starts in China at about 500 BC, then certainly:
Egyptians and Romans and Babylonians all used fractions.
A ready-made writing, already perfected.
So those early personal "chops" are just people too lazy to write?
A well established naming system (in which each Pharaoh had as many as five names).
So history begins in 2050 BC or thereabouts?
Society already divided into specialist classes. An army, civil service and hierarchy minutely organized. A court exhibiting all the
indications of well-defined precedence and form. Egypt came from a clearly established civilization.
It came from a much earlier city-state society preceded by a much earlier bunches of villages and farms and hunter-gatherers. You can still find
their rock art and hearths and so forth in Egypt.
The only conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence is that,1 Each of the first civilizations appeared suddenly, already fully developed. 2)
That a connection existed between them. 3) Their footprints led back to the Middle East mountains where Noah and his family left the Ark.
Actually, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the originator of the piece didn't bother to look at Wikipedia or to read history or news
stories written in the past 50 years.
Check out this frist set of pics from Baalbek, Lebanon. Explain how they quarried this pillars, moved them and finished them?
Well, it *was* Heliopolis (so named by Alexander the Great) and turned into a Greek city after he conquered Egypt around 300 BC. The temple dates to
sometime after 30 AD, when (as you'll recall) the Romans and Greeks had already built huge amphitheatres and the coliseum and their vast arched
They were the ones who started building that temple.
This object is thought to be an Aztec artifact of some antiquity. (photo from mysteries of ancient cultures Do you believe that these earplugs,
made from obsidian, a fragile glass, were made by hand with primitive tools and sand as an abrasive?
Yes, because I've carved gemstones before. You can sand decent cabuchons with sand and water.
The kind of precision stone cutting and even stone transportation associated with the Egyptian pyramids cannot be explained by the use of the
primitive technology available to the Egyptians. In fact, the technology of the older pyramids is probably beyond the Egyptians ability. The thing is,
this "stone technology" problem turns up all over the world.
First we are told that these cities were perfect from the beginning of history and now we are told tell us that the technology of the Step Pyramid,
the Red Pyramid, and the other 100+ pyramids (large and small including the satellite pyramids -- with all their errors) are beyond the ability of the
people who built the great temple of Ramses?
The picture is from Sacsayhuaman, Peru, probably an ancient stone fortress in excess of 2000 years old. Some of these stones are 10 feet high or
more. Notice their irregular forms. They have been fitted together in an extremely precise manner which we would be hard pressed to duplicate with
modern technology; much less the primitive technology supposedly available.
The writer has little faith in modern technology. And, by the way, humans have been in South America for well over 20,000 years. So they did have
18,000 years and a number of archaeologist-known civilizations where stonework was done.
Found in California, the concretion in which these metal objects were found are thought by scientists to be 500,000 years or so old.
No scientist thinks it is that old -- at least, none of the scientists who study geology. Concretions form quickly, and things in caves get covered
with limestone very fast. Next time you go to a "show cave" ask them how fast the stone forms over trails and so forth.
Thousands of spiral, screwlike objects sized as small as 1/10,000th of an inch have been found beginning in the early-nineties and are still being
found by gold miners in the Ural mountains in Russia. These metal items found in depths from 3 to 40 feet are thought to be 20 thousand plus years
No, they're actually known to be hoaxes. We had at least one thread on this and how it was determined to be a hoax.
In 1944 Newton Anderson claimed to have found this bell inside a lump of coal that was mined near his house in West Virginia. When Newton
dropped the lump it broke, revealing a bell encased inside.
Again, people showed up with this stuff and said 'we found it here.' If I hand you a #2 pencil that I tell you I uncovered in a coal mine in a coal
seam, I realize there are people who will believe that T. Rex wandered around with pocket protectors. However, a quick examination of the facts will
1. The only ones who saw the find are me and my buddies
2. It's worth a lot of money to collectors
3. There's no evidence that T. Rex had pockets.
Same with this material.
One example is a stone (photo above) with inscriptions of ancient European, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern languages; this stone was found
on a river in the state of Kentucky in the United States. A similar artifact was also found in West Virginia.
Actually, it's one of several known hoaxes, some of which are attributed to Mormons (it's supporting evidence for the "Book of Mormon"'s version
Not only are the alphabets of historical interest, the content of the text is of considerable religious significance. Two opposing religions -
Judeo/Christian and Pagan Sun Worship - are represented.
Since I know how to read Ogham script, I can tell you that the interpretation there is incorrect. "Chi-Rho" is not ancient but dates to 300 BC or
thereabouts. And a round circle is not the indication of the worship of or mention of Ra. It's just a circle (and a really bad one, too). The
correct spelling of the god's name is shown on the Wikipedia page, on the right: