How about 350,000 barrels or more per day?

reply to post by freegarymckinnon


That's about the worst idea anyone could every try to implement if it were even remotely possible.

Oil is ORGANIC. It WILL break down NATURALLY. In a spill like this, we NEED for it to dilute as much as possible. Leaving it all concentrated in one area is the MAJOR problem. The more water it interacts with, the more it dilutes. It needs to get sucked into the Atlantic, and dilute with endless trillions of gallons of water, ASAP.

reply to post by here2Help


This by far is the biggest and most cataclysmic event that have taken place. Although the video that you posted is by FAR the most hair-raising, and tear-making. I want to thank you for posting it.

S & F to OP and you!

Kindest regards to everyone! And may there be some blessing that comes our way.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


And what if it buggers up the gulf stream?

We don't get enough nice weather in the UK as it is!

Not to mention that even more coastline will be contaminated.

I'd contain it and clean up as best I could.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Sure, oil might be organic the same way arsenic might be organic or perhaps chlorine. Everything is organic if you classify it that way but unfortunately most people classify 'organic' as something that is alive or used to be alive.

And the dispersants that they are pumping into the gulf at record amounts to hide the scope of this disaster isn't organic either.

According to Associated Press in information released today -

The lead scientist in the effort said the most credible range at the moment is between 840,000 gallons and 1.68 million gallons a day.

This calculates to around 25,000 barrels per day.

Two things I see and I imagine others have mentioned this. The slick is not solid nor is it contiguous. A significant portion is a sheen.

You can take a few drops of any petroleum product and it will spread to a sheen over a very large water surface and I imagine their are many levels of viscosity in-between.

The plumes are the result of the dispersant and may only contain a few parts per million VS water.

I doubt its much easier for the experts to measure this than anyone else, but I'd assume they have far better methods.

I'm not trying to downplay this by any means here. I just don't think the level of exaggeration and guesswork in these topics lately is helpful. There is way to much end of the world fear mongering and insanity being spread. The Internet is fast becoming a terrible source of information.

For instance, today we find out that the Obama Administration has been spreading propaganda once again due to Obama's thin skin. The experts he turned to never suggested shutting down the drilling in the Gulf and they apparently have alerted him and the media to this fact. Obama's flunkies added two paragraphs to their report after they signed it. In other words, out and out fraud.

What they are saying is stopping the current drilling now, poses an even greater risk than allowing them to take the holes to completion. Apparently stopping the drilling midstream is far more risky and could lead to another catastrophe. This means Obama put us at greater risk, just because he is thin skinned, can't take criticism and cares more about politics than anything else. Of course their is another explanation that sends chills up and down my spine. I'll leave that to everyone's imagination.

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit

Originally posted by OuttaTime

If I may dive in here and clean up some of the figures... (no pun intended. No, really...

).

1 statute mile = 5280 ft.

20 x 5280 = 105600 ft long.
5 x 5280 = 26400 ft wide.
300 ft thick.

105600 x 26400 x 300 = 836,352,000,000 cu.ft.

1 American Barrel = 5.6146 cubic feet.

Therefore:

836,352,000,000 cu.ft. = 148,960,210,878.780 Barrels.

The figures are clearly awry somewhere (or we are being lied to more than we thought)...

[edit on 11-6-2010 by mirageofdeceit]

OK, so my numbers were good. But as I was reminded the plumes are sploofy and diluted. So even if were talking only 1% of the plume is oil, that still accounts for 1,489,602,108.78 barrels. But what makes me scratch my head is how it can bleed this much if there is only about 5,000,000,000 barrels of oil in that pocket...... unless of course, it is pulling oil from other connected caverns...
If it were spewing 3 billion barrels a day, then the Tiber pocket would drain in less than 3 days. Something's really really wrong here!

And how many plumes have they counted so far?

My Wife has our local NBC News on. I'm in the wrong room to record it, so I'll just have to repeat what the expert on oil spills was saying.

If what he said is true, we are being fed a line to scare us almost as bad as the Global Warming madness.

Apparently an oil spill, over the course of 70 days disperses to one part per million in the water and all toxic compounds are gone by then. This is apparently the natural process observed while studying multiple spill. He said if it does reach the East Coast, you "might find a single grain of sand with a coating of tar" here and there, but that's all you will find. He said the runoff from the recent weather will be more toxic to the Gulf and the East Coast than the spill will.

Please, don't shoot the messenger. I'm talking NBC here also remember.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
My Wife has our local NBC News on. I'm in the wrong room to record it, so I'll just have to repeat what the expert on oil spills was saying.

If what he said is true, we are being fed a line to scare us almost as bad as the Global Warming madness.

Apparently an oil spill, over the course of 70 days disperses to one part per million in the water and all toxic compounds are gone by then. This is apparently the natural process observed while studying multiple spill. He said if it does reach the East Coast, you "might find a single grain of sand with a coating of tar" here and there, but that's all you will find. He said the runoff from the recent weather will be more toxic to the Gulf and the East Coast than the spill will.

Please, don't shoot the messenger. I'm talking NBC here also remember.

Well, he may be right about his figures, but still, an awful ot of marine life and wildlife can be lost in the meanwhile. Even if mother nature can filter the spill, we're still looking at an unpleasant aftermath.

reply to post by OuttaTime


For sure. The immediate area is where the real damage will be done. Lets hope they get their head out their backsides and waive that stupid law, so the ships from other countries can help with the skimming. I still can't believe that nonsense is going on. It's like the cast of Saturday Night Live has taken over the decision making process.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by OuttaTime

 

For sure. The immediate area is where the real damage will be done. Lets hope they get their head out their backsides and waive that stupid law, so the ships from other countries can help with the skimming. I still can't believe that nonsense is going on. It's like the cast of Saturday Night Live has taken over the decision making process.

It seems quite clear that BP has forged a decisive agenda with our govt. They can't stop it, nor will they let anyone else stop it. They are quite lackluster in their cleanup, and won't let anyone else help. They've gotten complacent at informing other states that that oil contact is eminent. Florida is already doing cleanup and skimming in Pensacola. It boggles the mind how disassociated the controllers are about the whole thing. The spill grows exponentially each day, taking a greater toll on the ecosystem and depleting oxygen, along with another 1.2 million gallons of toxin dumped on top of it. Sometimes I have a hard time trying to wrap my head around all the different problems this disaster has created.

Thanks BP and ALL the governments of the world for bringing us:



Its so bad I just can't do anything but smile. . .

Excellent work loam, as per usual. Thank you. But I think your numbers are wrong. Way conservative.

The "spill" apparently tapped a "migration channel" similar to the Ghawar oilfield in Saudi Arabia that produces millions of barrels daily - and has been for almost 70 years with no end in sight.

So yeah, millions of barrels daily, probably increasing, and not stopping any time soon like Jim Scot and Gold Bug said...

From an article posted earlier by Stormdancer777:

According to Kutcherov, a leading specialist in the theory of abiogenic deep origin of petroleum, “What BP drilled into was what we call a ‘migration channel,’ a deep fault on which hydrocarbons generated in the depth of our planet migrate to the crust and are accumulated in rocks, something like Ghawar in Saudi Arabia.” Ghawar, the world’s most prolific oilfield has been producing millions of barrels daily for almost 70 years with no end in sight. According to the abiotic science, Ghawar like all elephant and giant oil and gas deposits all over the world, is located on a migration channel similar to that in the oil-rich Gulf of Mexico.

www.marketoracle.co.uk...

About those food riots and the global financial crisis, the already homeless and starving...

The "spill" apparently tapped a "migration channel" similar to the Ghawar oilfield in Saudi Arabia that produces millions of barrels daily - and has been for almost 70 years with no end in sight.

So yeah, millions of barrels daily, probably increasing, and not stopping any time soon like Jim Scot and Gold Bug said...

It's no wonder that the GEORGIA RUNE STONES were put in place on the gulf coast...

The elite planned for this for a very long time it appears...

They had the geologic numbers, the sonar imagery, the satelite imagery, the numbers were crunched.

This is thier big kill off. How much more evidence do folks need to understand that Iran was correct in labeling the United States as the Great Shaitan?

This is the very thing the devil would want his people to accomplish.

"indeed, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved..."

I'm preparing for an other earthly visitation, and soon. Perhsaps you should be too...

[edit on 11-6-2010 by Megiddodiddo]

BP is going into bankrupcy with-in the next few weeks. Then it will be left up to us (US Government) to pay for all of the clean up. It could be as high a 1 trillion dollars they are now saying. If this happens it will all be over for America.....

Hi All,

So I am loath to admit that I really dont want to wrap my head around any of the figures presented, because it hurts my head and soul to do so. However, I am one who would rather face the truth head on than drown in ignorance.

Here is what I think. I think its bad. So bad that there are 12+ hour emergency meetings going on as we speak. I think that they dont have a viable solution to the situation, AND they still want to make money. (And by "they" Im including everyone involved as well as various other countries, especially ours.)

My motto in our current society is "Follow the $$$". That will always lead you closer to the truth. An important factor for me is that Halliburton is involved. I am sure we are all aware of their history of shoddy workmanship and the need, desire, and drive to get paid!


Who here really knows how intricately linked BP is to various govt's on the world? We can only guess, but for me the real goal for everyone involved it to make as much money as possible. (Despite current "problems") This is a Tiber Field, so lets chase the $$$ from that perspective. From the wiki pages:

Estimated Oil In Place: 4,000 Million Barrels
Stock percentage rise when the field was announced: 3.7%
This made the stock go up from $51 to around $54 when the field was announced in Sept of '09 (Source) .

Currently the company's shares are sitting at $34, which if you are a student of greed, is quite unacceptable. (same source). This is a nice flow chart on a breakdown of how much some oil companies are making per year:



I cannot begin to guess how many billions of dollars BP is going to loose now and in the years to come. However, I am willing to guess that the figure has them very scared.

Here is a nice wiki link that has some interesting info on the lengths BP will go to make $$$ and bypass safety in the pursuit therof: (Source )

~2007: Propane price manipulation: "Four BP energy traders in Houston were charged with manipulating prices of propane in October 2007. As part of the settlement of the case, BP paid the US government a $303 million fine, the largest commodity market settlement ever in the US."

~2008: Oil price manipulation: "In May 2010, the Supreme Court of Arbitration of the Russian Federation agreed in support of the country’s antimonopoly service’s decision to a 1.1 billion Ruble fine ($35.2 million) against TNK/BP, a 50/50 joint venture, for abusing antitrust legislation and setting artificially high oil products prices in 2008..."

~Refinery safety violations: "Under scrutiny after the Texas City Refinery explosion, two BP-owned refineries in Texas City, Texas, and Toledo, Ohio, were responsible for 97 percent (829 of 851) of willful safety violations by oil refiners between June 2007 and February 2010..."

BP and the other companies have an obligation first and foremost to the Shareholders. This is going to be their focus. I am sure that part of the main reason for the media blackout is to prevent an all out exodus of its shareholders. They would be bankrupt in a matter of hours if the true account of how much PROFIT (not oil!) is pouring into the gulf.

Now for those of us rooted in the non-greed aspect of this situation, we are quite aware of what this disaster means for us as a people and for our little blue planet. I am truly devastated when I think of the far reaching effects of this.

Loam, I want to believe that your numbers are wrong. I feel like I am holding my breath and cant really breathe, like the bottom has yet to fall out. I am not one for doom and gloom because I like to find the optimism and light in any situation. However, I have yet to find any when I think about this.


The only thing I can think of is that this will be the greatest lesson in all of creation on the fallacy of greed.

So does anyone here live in or near New Orleans? Me and some friends have been planning on heading to Orleans at the end of July and I am afraid of the whole oil spill situation making that a totally bad idea. Are the fumes in the city? Has it affected it yet? I've googled and I find reports of a stench, but that was in April.....anyone think that vacationing in New Orleans at the end of July is a bad idea?

My apologies for tacking this on this thread, but I didn't want to start a new one for what I am presuming to be a pretty stupid question......

meh....double post. oops

[edit on 12-6-2010 by MeSoCorny]

reply to post by Real-Stinker


Heh, i don't know... There might be a reason for all of us to stop paying any bills. If you've heard the rumors going around... This problem is 100 X worse than everyone is reporting...

There are lots of other problems with this issue.

There is also almost certain information beginning to surface about a second fissure leaking 126,000 odd amounts of barrels of oil at the same time as the blow out well...

The information is that the Riser blew backward and ruptured 4 miles back underground and opened up a seafloor fissure, and if they do try to cap this well it'll get worse on the other end...

This is an Artesian well drilled 4 miles into the seafloor, so i don't think they can stop it, it's out of control...

AND guess what, the current ship is almost full of oil...



They could probably put 50 tankers out there, but guess what, the Earth is a big place... I think they would all fill up too...

Can you imagine a Dead Ocean? If the Ocean becomes Toxic, we can't survive...


[edit on 6/12/2010 by Brainiac]

reply to post by soficrow


Long time no see soficrow!
Ugh, math isn't my area, but it seems to me that the 100,000 barrels a day was espoused by a pretty reliable source as soon as any footage of the leak was made available to the public and by BP's 'worst case scenario'. This was before the top kill procedure, and before the additional ruptures in the well head which were assumably made worse by the failed top kill. Based on that alone, I don't think the 350,000 barrels is that much of a stretch.
Alot of folks have asked why BP wouldn't want to disclose the actual amounts involved which is a good question. IMO, in prior spills and leaks, the liability to the company has always been calculated on the amount of oil spilled, and as long as they can keep the media out and the dispersants pumping, they can minimize their liability while making it look like they are doing something to clean it up.

a good source says 18 months will take the flow around the world

they can just suck the assets out of and BP leave the bankrupt husk to take the fall

the tax payers cover the coastal insurance in the states too
not private companies which is why the elite don't care about that either

whats the worst that can happen?
nothing to the trillionarse
everyone else will pay

did i say the trans alaska pipe line is shut down now too"

gas at 6 to 8 bucks a gal coming soon

thats a crippler right there



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