Israel Threatens War if Turkish PM Tries to Deliver Gaza Aid

reply to post by murfdog


Makes you wonder why Israel chose that location in the first place...

I'm sure in 1947 there were many more choices...

They chose to be amonst their enemies...

Kinda strange from the start.

Did they plan this??

Who in the West supports Israel? LOVL!

I've not met even ONE for some time now.

The Israeli's are sooo deluded that they are becoming a global joke, and a very unfunny one at that.
I remember watching a film in 2004 (John Pilger? I seem to remember) about Israel/Zionists and the Armageddon. At one point, one of the Zionist leaders was prattling on with unswerving certainty, that everything Israel did, or indeed had done, was because it had been pre-ordained and written in their scriptures that they were there (in Palestine) to bring about Armageddon. He even went as far as to show us all the exact field where the final showdown between the forces of light and dark would come... in the year -wait for it- 2006!
I was stupid enough to actually consider it likely for a nano-second or two.
So what is it?
If their book got THAT tiny little, incy-wincey detail wrong, then why on earth should the rest of listen to one word more that these people say.

Are you all familiar with the expression, "mad as a box of frogs?"

I think this is what happens when old people sniff too much Charlie. Delusions of grandeur.

Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by Styki

 

I know what you meant but,

what would America do to Mexico first to provoke them?????????

If you are going to compare, give all the facts...

Well we could go with something more historical. Lets say Mexico was still upset over the Mexican-American War were we claimed land that they considered theirs. I realize a deal was made, but for this situation lets explore the idea that harsh feelings still existed over the deal.

There might be (hypothetically) a situation where they could want "their" land back. We have already built establishments in Texas and considered it "ours" for a while now, do you think we are going to give it back?

Originally posted by thepapa
I believe this whole situation could be diffused if both sides of it were sincere. I would speculate that the Israeli intelligence already knows what is on those aid ships before they ever leave their home ports. The naval blockade is more than likely a flex of muscles.

By the same token, those who are sending the aid should understand that the most important thing in this whole scenario is that the aid gets to its destination as quickly as possible.

If both sides would eat a bit of humble pie and quit running around claiming that I have a bigger d*#k than you, this could be resolved. I don't understand why the UN doesn't intervene and do quick aid ship inspections at sea, so the goals of both parties involved are accomplished. I believe its wrong for Israel to board any ship in international waters....they don't own the world. A little bit of give here would go a long way, and if they are not willing to give, then what is they're true agenda? Just my thoughts......

You offer a simple solution to a huge problem...... and it actually would make a big difference.
If only more People would think along these lines, what a great World this could be....... but alas..... we must keep the Gods happy

silly boys, there's two Israels....two forms of Zionists
the evil bazzerds (political)...and the regular people(then religious Zionists). it's not black and white....it's three types involved and yes i agree one of them(the political, in control bunch) are evil fat bast...

Originally posted by aboxoftrix
reply to post by Dr Expired

 

Star for you. Islam has a long history of domination and are expanding at an incredible rate. Israel must do what is best for Israel.

And ...... I suppose Christianity doesnt?

If the West had any sense, they would turn the whole of the supposed Holy Land into a Glass Car Park and have done with it ....... Problem solved and quite cheaply.

Originally posted by Yellow Teapot
Who in the West supports Israel? LOVL!

I've not met even ONE for some time now.

Like you i can not think of any and yet our goverments in europe fail to act on public opion and we all know why.

Seem to me that Iserail has a blaintant disregard for NATO by saying they will attack any ships sent from Turkey who happens to be a NATO member.

I'm still trying to work out why the american public will not stand up and kick the zionist control out the USA or would they like to make a few more friends turn against them.

reply to post by virgom129


www.theocracywatch.org...
"The Holocaust, the killing of approximately 6 million European Jews by the Nazis, had a major impact on the situation in Palestine. During World War II Britain, which had been granted a mandate over Palestine by the United Nations, forbade entry into Palestine for European Jews escaping Nazi persecution".

"On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions, in favor of a Partition Plan that created the State of Israel. The British reliquished their mandate over Palestine in 1948. War broke out between the Arabs and Jews soon after. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War, established the state of Israel as an independent state, with the rest of the British Mandate of Palestine split into areas controlled by Egypt and Transjordan".

"In 1949, Israel signed separate cease-fire agreements with Egypt on February 24, Lebanon on March 23, Transjordan on April 3, and Syria on July 20. Israel was able to draw its own borders, occupying 70% of Mandatory Palestine, fifty percent more than the UN partition proposal allotted them. These borders have been known afterwards as the "Green Line". The Gaza Strip and West Bank were occupied by Egypt and Transjordan respectively".

Well it would seem to me if the Arabs had not attacked the Jews in 1948 the Jewish state would not be the size it is today.
I'm not taking sides here but it would seem to me in war….. To the victor goes the spoils.

reply to post by LieBuster
Turks are taking the piss with Israel. They know that no ships are allowed into Gaza, just like the Israelis know no aid is allowed free passage into Kurdish rebellious areas of Turkey. The Ottomans committed a holocaust against its Armenians and Kurds but it's all smiles and kisses for the good old Turks. Turkey needs to look in the mirror before accusing others of crimes

Originally posted by Dr Expired
We in the west need to make it clear to the Turks that we are behind Israel 100%

but i am NOT behind Israel 100%. Not even 0.0001%.
am not behind anyone unless they are promoting peace.
period.

the rest of it is details that distract from the real enemies: fear and violence.

Anyone want WW3 ? some of them do.

seems to me like YOU do.

you can't make peace by threatening war, or even being prepared for war.
ask Churchill
ask Hitler
ask Hirohito

i may be just one person but still i am of the west and so that makes it < than 100%.

and i will not change my mind on this.

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
Turks are taking the piss with Israel. They know that no ships are allowed into Gaza, just like the Israelis know no aid is allowed free passage into Kurdish rebellious areas of Turkey. The Ottomans committed a holocaust against its Armenians and Kurds but it's all smiles and kisses for the good old Turks. Turkey needs to look in the mirror before accusing others of crimes

eYe think we ALL ought to look ourselves in the eye in the mirror
and ask
why are we letting murder and unwarranted war (all war is now unwarranted - mankind as a race should be over it!) and violence of any sort continue to occur on OUR planet between or upon our fellow brother man?

it doesn't matter who did what and blah blah blah yada yada yada.

pointing fingers and endless self-justification only WASTE time and WASTE lives.


ufoorbhunter, i'm not jumping on your personally - please don't be offended, i don't even know you and don't presume to

i am just jumping off the diving board that you so thoughtfully left me, in your post! the statement about the mirror.
thank you
i am not being facetious, either.

reply to post by Wotan


EXCELLENT suggestion!

"if you can't share...then NO ONE gets to play with it"

Israel is pathetic. They have lost the plot completely.

It's a refreshing change to see a country actually willing to stand up to them and has a military force capable of doing so, to a certain extent at least.

However I in no way want war.

reply to post by queenannie38
For sure all war and murder is wrong.

But the world is ganging up on the Jews once again.

After the previous experiences of being helpless and defenceless the Jews in Israel will act to defend themselves and this must be understood, the past has left a mark on them.

The Jews who went to the americas in the long run probably chose the right place. Those that chose the Holy Land probably chose the wrong place surrounded by hostile neighbours but that is history, they are there now and no laying down of arms will do them any favours.

One mistake and it's all over for the experiment called Israel. They probably will not take a chance

reply to post by ufoorbhunter


Ganging up on them?

I disagree.

I have to say (I don't mean this to be as insensitive as it may sound) but Israel really needs to heal. Germany has come to terms with the Holocaust. Israel never has. I'm not saying we should forget it and sweep it under the rug. But Israel, time and time again stamps it's foot and brings up the Holocaust as some kind of justification for all it's actions.

Sure let Israel defend itself, but there is a fine line, between defending itself and just being a bully.

reply to post by Kram09
Germany may have come to terms with the holocaust.

Germans still live in Europe and live a life where they are not threatened day in day out.

What about those Jews who WERE forced out of Europe. People who made a last stand in the only place they thought they might get recognition of a right to live their lives without constant fear of murder and forced conversion?

the war for the Jews never ended in 1945. It continued and it continues to this day with the threat of annihilation. How can they come to terms with the holocaust when it still stares at them in the face?

I believe the $64 question is, "where did the Israelis get their weapon grade fissile materials"? At Hanford, the breeder reactors generated so much heat, that it raised the temperature of the mighty Columbia River. Ditto with other major reactor locations in the South East. So looking out into the middle of the Negev Desert, I fail to see any major river, as a heat sink, for Dimona reactors, breeding Plutonium. If it turns out they swiped some of ours, and they pop one over some deserving Arab's heads, then just what do you suppose the rest of the world is going to do to retaliate against the U.S.A.. You know what? Surplus Pu pits, ain't being sold over the counter in Wally World. If it tracks, by it's signature, back to one of our installations, then we are 100% responsible for the damages. If Russia or China nukes Hanford in retaliation for Hanford produced Pu. being used in an Israeli nuclear device, then I'm dead. I live in the Mt. St. Helen's ash fall, which also went right over Hanford and the Tri Cities, on May 18th 1980. Not counting the rads from the bomb itself, if it is set off at ground level in this Reservation, it could scour up enough old radioactive waste to eliminate half of the Northwestern U.S.. K-I pills would stop the Radio Iodine, but there are just too darn many other isotopes, equally as nasty, to try and defeat with any prophalactic treatments. I always remember the Henry Fonda flick, "Fail Safe", and the U.S.'s destruction of NYC, at the very end of the story. In a heinous tit for tat, we then may have to eliminate Tel Aviv in true Fonda fashion, by using one of our own Hanford or Savanah River Thermonuclear weapons to even things back up. Since the Israelis obviously have more than one weapon, they could then play a dead man's hand, and unleash hell on Earth, all over the Mohammadan world. If done right, we couldn't beat the radiation around the oil transport installations, for decades, so the international oil shipping traffic would dwindle down to nothing. For my part, I'm watching for anything along these lines in the pending dump of secret State Dept. cables, on the Wikileaks pages. Use of any stolen fissile materials against a third party, must be met by an instantaneous "Fail Safe" scaled, thermonuclear rebuke. This probably also holds for any stolen Russian fissile materials. So, as crazy as it sounds, the sooner the Israelis are forced to have an inspection of their fissile warheads, the less chance their major city is likely to be vaporized by a false flag nuke in Iran, courtesy of the Chechens or other terrorists garnering enough from depleted Soviet stockpiles. Iran's a big place, unlike tiny compacted Israel. Iran could ride out a terrorist nuke, but Israel would be all but eliminated, by one monster mushroom cloud. The U.S. as a whole could survive losing Hanford, or Savannah River, but I personally, couldn't, being unable to survive Hanford's nuclear destruction.

Hillarious was the post started by an IDF person then 5 fellow henchfolk come along and try to fleece us as ATS long timers supporting the OP? lol I cant even get involved in this one. Live, love and laugh...some folks need to focus more on those then kill, maim, destroy.

Its like a bunch of schoolyard bullies trying to rally the other kids that are playing nicely to their cause. Ridiculous

So the Lunatic State (a.k.a. Israel) is threatening war again. Golly Gee what a surprise.

And we've got the Zionists kids quick on the draw with this thread too. Interesting, but predictable these days.

If there's one thing I'm against, it's war. Stupid humans killing each other for crazy megalomaniacs.

Turkey is a tiger in the woods they'd best leave alone though. And I don't see Turkey being all alone if the Lunatic State begins shooting at them. That hornet's nest known as Turkey is already agitated. But now they would threaten putting their hands in the hive itself?

Turkey by itself is more than a match for Israel in a protracted war but the real wild card is how many Middle Eastern countries are going to provide active support to Turkey should they come to blows? I would wager several in the least.

It would also appear that the Lunatic State is steadily backing itself into a corner too. But they've been doing that for the last 40 years steadily but surely.

Sad days for my Jewish brothers and sisters should they allow their leaders to drag them into a war with Turkey which they can not win.

The only thing I can see the USA providing is satellite intelligence, plus armaments/ammunition, because if the USA jumps in then so will Russia for one and perhaps China for two. This will bog the USA down in Iraq for certain as the full brunt of the Russian Army comes down to party with the American troops. The USA will at once have its hands tied up completely should the Russians join in.

This leaves Turkey and it's Middle Eastern allies all alone to get busy with Israel and I do mean they will get busy.

Is it impossible for the Jewish people to depose those lunatics these days? Or are they so indoctrinated that they would take on most of the world much like Germany tried? History shows us what happens to folks who do this.

In any event if the lead starts flying then everyone here at ATS would do well to start storing food and water because the situation could go off like a genuine powder keg.