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Alvin Greene is "Someone's Plant," Should be Investigated, Clyburn Says

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posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 11:33 AM
Ok, here is something that we should be looking into. I'll present some facts that pertain to the fact that no one knows where this guy came from. He stepped into an election and won. His campaign was run out of his own pocket he says but cannot tell anyone where he campaigned or how much he spent. It got even more bizarre when I realized each one of the articles came out in a span of three days one after the other. June 8,9,10. They are posted in that order I believe.

Alvin Greene UPSET: Mystery Man Stuns In South Carolina Senate Primary

COLUMBIA, S.C. — An unemployed military veteran who raised no funds and put up no campaign website shocked South Carolina's Democratic Party leadership by capturing the nomination Tuesday to face Republican U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint in November. With nearly all precincts reporting, Alvin Greene, 32, commanded 59 percent of the vote against 41 percent for former four-term state lawmaker Vic Rawl, 64, who had raised about $186,000 and had to abruptly scrap a late-week fundraiser for the fall. State Democratic Party Chairwoman Carol Fowler said voters unfamiliar with either candidate may have voted alphabetically for Greene over Rawl.

Alvin Greene, Democratic Senate Nominee, Facing Felony Charge for Obscene Photos

Here's more evidence that Republican Sen. Jim DeMint is facing what appears to be the easiest reelection campaign in the country: Alvin Greene, the unknown 32-year-old who somehow won the Democratic Senate nomination in South Carolina, is reportedly facing felony charges for allegedly showing obscene online photos to a University of South Carolina student.

The world of politics was caught off guard by Greene's victory -- and was further shocked yesterday when news surfaced that the unknown, 32-year-old, unemployed veteran faces pending felony charges. Questions immediately arose about the legitimacy of Greene's candidacy. While Greene insists he is the real deal, Clyburn, a high-ranking Democrat from South Carolina, is still skeptical.

Greene's controversial history does not end with his felony charges. ABC reports that Greene was involuntarily forced out of the Army after a 13-year career that included service as an intelligence specialist and unit supply specialist. Greene told ABC he was kicked out of the Army because "things just weren't working."

So are we seeing another possible Obama like plant or are we seeing a major smear campaign focused on a possible man of the people?

posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:07 PM
Its too hard to say whether he is a man of the people or a government plant or just as the story says - a guy that got lucky.

In my town a local homeless schizophrenic man dubbed "Three-Fifty" because of the amount of money he asks people for on the street ran for Mayor and because everyone knew who he was, he didn't do half bad in the polls.

posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 06:34 PM
This one has got my journalistic senses going nuts. There could be something big here but a lot more research needs to be done before any decision is reached. Here are the things that just do not sit right with me though, as a journalist who primarily covers government:

1: Things don't just not work out in the United States Army in time of war. I've known tons of servicemen and women over the years and the United States military is particularly good at finding a place for almost everyone. If his job in the army was not working out, he would get re-assigned. I've known many people, in fact the majority of US Army people I've known, that ended up in a different job than the one they had going in. If he was involuntarily forced out, he screwed up, plain and simple.

2: Isn't the showing of pornographic images to an unwilling party a sex crime? Seriously that is not just a skeleton in the closet but a whole taxidermy operation! If I were in the media I'd nail him on that, let alone what the opposition would do politically.

3: Where the hell did he get his money, this is an absolutely enormous question.

4: Why didn't the other Democratic candidate look up this guy's background? Why is all of this coming out now not a month ago?

5: What would the Republicans have to gain by planting this guy? South Carolina is quite red and Jim DeMint is quite a well known man. Were they really that afraid of having a strong Democratic challenger? I find that theory very hard to swallow.

6: If not the Republicans then who has something to gain by Alvin Greene being the candidate? I admit that I am not very well versed on the particulars of the race but really who would this make any sense to?

The government can launch their inquiry for all I care but this is the time for the American press to step up and do their job as the Fourth Estate. These questions need to be answered, fully and without reservation. To any United States journalists whom might read this: Do Your Jobs!

Edit: I've also just got to give thanks to the OP for bringing this one in here. This is a classic case of what needs to be talked about on this forum I wish I could do more than just star and flag.

[edit on 10-6-2010 by ProjectJimmy]

posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 03:53 PM

Originally posted by jackflap

So are we seeing another possible Obama like plant or are we seeing a major smear campaign focused on a possible man of the people?

I seriously doubt either of the above is possible.

Have you listened to his interviews? He can't even form a sentence.

There is no need for anyone to smear him; he is smearing himself just by speaking on camera.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 09:31 AM
Two questions:

1) I haven't had an opportunity to investigate Vic Rawl's voting record, but how horrible is he that an unknown can annihilate him in an election?

2) Where are all of the parrots, who always leap to the claim of racism, in cases like this? Surely, the only reason anyone would question the legitimacy of Greene's victory is because they are racist.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:19 AM
As a South Carolina resident who chooses not to explain his sources, I'll just say I wouldn't trust Mr. Clyburn as far as I could throw him. He's not corrupt in the "elite-NWO" sense, but he is a corrupt politician. Hell, what's the point anymore? They're all corrupt.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:39 AM
He also didn't go to one political rally or hold any rallies, didn't even have any campaign signs or websites. He got $10,000 somehow to enter the race even though he has no job.

The Clyburn guy is also saying 2 other candidates (both also black :@@
are plants too. One of the guys being one who challenged him.

I can't speak about the other 2, but theres definately something fishy with the Greene guy. Or maybe Clyburn just thinks every black guy running for office is a plant.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:50 AM
Unless there's some tangible proof otherwise, it seems to me that he's the legitimate winner of the primary. Now maybe there were some crossover votes, but I'm pretty sure South Carolina has an open primary.

Sounds to me like a case of sour grapes and/or racism.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 10:56 AM
This was an interesting piece I found on Alvin Greene. In it the author says is his proof as to why he believes this is a Republican plant. It was a page turner so I took the most interesting part of the article and put it here.

So, the big question is how did this guy win? Who voted for him? At first, we thought because his name was first on the ballot, maybe people didn't know the other candidate either, so they just voted for the first person. Then we thought maybe he had run a stealth, undercover campaign that brought out young people in record numbers...but that didn't turn out the be the case. Finally, we thought there was an error in the sytem, but that wasn't the case either. It all finally clicked when we saw Mr. Greene's interview with Keith Olbermann this week. You all need to catch this interview, but most importantly listen to what Keith says at the very end of the interview.

Now, that you have the same clues that we have, we have come to the conclusion that the Republicans have planted this guy...and now we feel really sorry for dude, cause his life is about to be turned upside down....and probably ruined forever. But, the big question is how did the Republicans create this secret campaign without anyone knowing about? How did they get tens of thousands of Republicans to vote for him without the Democrats figuring it out beforehand? Now...this is where it gets interesting. Once all this comes out, and it will, how will this affect the November mid-term elections? We think that this will save the Democratic party, cause the American people will finally recognize how the Republican party will do anything to win...but these tactics are deplorable, dispacable and unforgiving. I promise, this will backfire and the Republicans will forever regret the use of the set-up man, Mr. Alvin Greene.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:09 AM
As I watched the video, Olbermann made a statement that sent my mind thinking.

What if none of these guys as suspicious as they sound are anyones plants.

"Does not have a website, yet defeated a establishment candidate..."

Maybe, just maybe the people have became so disenfranchised with the "establishment candidate" that they will vote for anyone, whether they know who the guy is or not. In a "hail mary" type of hope that some "change" will come about.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:11 AM
Which is the lesser of two evils, an incompetent candidate or a corrupt one? Whenever I watch a video of Alvin Greene, I can't help but think that he is mentally challenged.

As for the pornography charge, it was said by the victim and her mother that he was warned repeatedly to stay off the campus where the incident occurred.

This is an interview with Mr. Greene on Shepard Smith. He seems to short-circuit by the end of the video.

And his accuser the next day on the same show.

I'll be relocating to South Carolina for a little while, so it should be interesting to see what develops.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:17 AM
I could swear every news article I've read has stated that this was a 13 year old girl he showed porn images to. According the Smith interview it was a 19 year old college student.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 12:52 PM
And sorry folks, save the racist calls for Mr. Clyburn, he is black, too.

Stop labelling South Carolina as a bunch of racists, please, it's really a fantastic state despite its flaws.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 01:30 PM
I live in SC and am following this closely..

This is a huge story, but not for the reasons anyone has brought up.

The sad part is, as long as you got the 10k it takes to run, either political party doesn't care who signs up. After all, they have their champion who they will throw their weight behind. It's safe odds that that 10k is free money with no worries about that person actually getting a fair shake at getting in office.

The big question here is how in the hell did this guy WIN?? Everyone wonders where he got the money. No one is asking how the hell he won a single vote, much less a clear majority.

Personally, every time I see him on TV he looks scared out of his mind. What I'm hoping for (although I will probably be disappointed) is that he started out as a whistle blower uncovering how elections are rigged. That his group found out how they were doing this, and planned to bring down the whole thing.

One can hope for something positive for a change can't he? lol

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 02:46 PM
reply to post by PayMeh

Admittingly I haven't been following this. I'm in the process of deciding that I have to start being more active in local politics, but I am just so put off by politics as a whole it is tough to swallow.

But let me ask. If we want the smooth-talking, corrupt politicians out of office, what better than a guy that isn't a part of the game. Seems to me like this guy is the anti-politician. But then we must find out who funded him, for sure. Follow the money, always, and especially in politics.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 05:45 PM
this one is just plain weird.

it's almost like an ONION article when you read this and go back and read the articles that came out right after the primary.

it's as if no one even knew he was running until he was on the ballot on election day.

this one should have any incumbent of any party shaking in their boots - someone whose name wasn't even in the mix during the runup to an election was apparently voted into the nomination for a SENATE seat race, simply being an unknown entity!

it's either that or something seriously nefarious involved....right now almost nothing would surprise me though.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 05:48 PM
PS -

i am not sure why the republicans would need to worry about planting a candidate though, especially there and in this election.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 08:01 PM

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
3: Where the hell did he get his money, this is an absolutely enormous question.

This needs to be answered.

Unemployed man living at home with his parents spends $10,000 on a filing fee to run for public office ? Where did he get the money ? There is no way someone in his position throws away that kind of money just for the privilege of running for a federal office.

This has fraud written all over it.

I read S. Carolina has an open primary, meaning anyone can vote for a party nominee. He was likely bribed to run and then roll over, like a boxer throwing a fight, with the promise of a big pay day after the election.

[edit on 12-6-2010 by Schaden]

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 08:02 PM

Originally posted by oleus
especially there and in this election.

Incumbents are under assault. It's likely DeMint would have won reelection, but until Greene was nominated, far from certain.

posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 11:22 PM
Just got to watch the video of Olbermann (sp) and gimme a break Clyburn.

"Somebody gave him that 10,000 and he should be investigated." How about we investigate the millions that have gone to people just like him? Try to discredit the low man on the totem pole because he doesn't fit his agenda? Ugh. This government is made off of politicians getting funding out the wazoo and all of a sudden it's a problem because Clyburn doesn't like the guy?

• Lobbyist William Clyburn Jr., received $60,000 last year from two consulting firms to seek federal funding for the Augusta, Ga., airport, disclosure forms show. His cousin is Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C. In an interview with USA TODAY in July, lobbyist Clyburn said he secured $2.5 million for the airport after speaking with lawmaker Clyburn about having the money put into an appropriations bill. In September, a spokeswoman for Rep. Clyburn disputed that characterization. A day later, lobbyist Clyburn reversed his earlier statement and said he did not speak with his relative about getting funding.

The fact that his son is a lobbyist is a joke, too, if you've ever met him. A pitiful middle school teacher and previous owner of a nightclub that was shut down due to drugs, prostitution, and violence.

As a SC resident who knows nothing of this Greene character, I'll gladly take his side over Clyburn's as it stands.

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