Russia to stop missiles delivery to defiant Iran

Russia to stop missiles delivery to defiant Iran

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TEHRAN: Russia is freezing a contract to deliver S-300 air defence missiles to Iran after the adoption of the new United Nations sanctions against Tehran, a source tells the Interfax news agency.

''It is compulsory to fulfil a decision by the UN Security Council and Russia is not an exception here,'' said the unnamed source in the Federal Service for Military Technical Co-operation, which supervises Russian arms sales.

''Naturally, the contract for the delivery to Tehran of the S-300

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The S-300PMU2 Favorit (SA-20B Gargoyle) is one of the most potentially lethal Russian made SAM systems ever built, and could end up in Iranian hands.

If Iran were to operationally deploy the SA-20B batteries, they would be deployed in the vicinity of their nuke facilities and in corridors where IDF/AF fighter-bombers are expected to enter Iranian airspace.

Only an Israeli acquisition of an export model F-22 Raptor can help offset or at least equalize the SAM threat, if they have any hope in crippling Tehran's nuke program.

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I do not believe that the Russians will hold to this announcement.

They never have before - if you can't deliver the weapons publicly, do it privately. It's worked easily enough before.

Parallex.

That would be great, but I will wait to see it.

reply to post by Parallex


No you don't get it yet. America has something over them and they know it. They're in no position to stand up to NATO yet and they might not ever be again. They'll give the US what it wants in the interest of global peace and trade, and their own continued survival.

I think China and Russia have given us North Korea and Iran to appease us. And that's why Russia isn't putting the missiles in Iran. It's just like Cuba. They tested the US to see what Obama would do and test the new administration. And now they're backing away.

And the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are more or less over. The USA needs more plunder to keep going. Iran should fill the squids belly for a while.

Hello..

Thanks for the heads-up... but which one to believe..??


Russia assures Iran over S-300 deal
Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:32:08 GMT
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Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko

Russia's Foreign Ministry says Moscow is not obliged to freeze a deal to deliver the S-300 missile defense system to Iran under the newly imposed UN sanctions.

Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko said Thursday that the deal is not referenced in the fourth round of UN sanctions imposed against Tehran which mainly target financial and military sectors.

He stopped short of dismissing an earlier report by the Interfax news agency, which cited a Russian arms industry source as saying that Moscow is planning to renege on its unfulfilled contract to sell the S-300 system to Iran.

"Insofar as yesterday's resolution on Iran contains references to specific types of weapons, I can say that no antiaircraft systems, except man-portable air-defense missile complexes, are included in the UN Register of Conventional Arms," RIA Novosti quoted Nesterenko.

Head of the Russian Parliament's foreign policy committee Konstantin Kosachov also defended the legality of the delivery saying it be in line with international law.

"The (UN) sanctions forbid the sale of offensive weapons to Iran, but the air defense missiles do not come into this category," Kosachov was quoted as saying by DPA.

Moscow, a longtime energy partner that helped build Iran's nuclear reactor in the southern city of Bushehr, initially opposed the UN restriction and supported Iran, Turkey and Brazil's May 17 nuclear fuel swap declaration. It, however, joined the US campaign for imposing new sanctions against Iran after striking a deal with Washington.

One week after the May 17 declaration, Tehran's Ambassador to Moscow Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi cautioned Russia over the S-300 deal, stressing that the country would lose "all its credibility as a reliable arms supplier" if it failed to deliver the defense system.

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Moscow official: "Resolution does not apply to air-defense systems."

So to the post above that claimed China and Russia tested the US and got scared and ran...WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING????

This administration is soft, delicate putty in their hands.

I hope they won't give a#. I hope.

The Eastern powers would foolish to loose Iran to Zionist imperialism. That would turn their long-term goals into pipe dreams.

Originally posted by joojii
This administration is soft, delicate putty in their hands.

Who cares about the administration they're fools and don't matter. The US military and it's contractors aren't putty, they're the most powerful, well armed, experienced and advanced military in the world. The US is a global super power with no rival.

I don't know if you've noticed how much the US military has progressed thanks to the war on terror. Nobody can defeat the USA by conventional means. Nobody. And their troops have been hardened in battle, are fanatically loyal and will stop at nothing to defend the US and it's interests.

Maybe a large coalition of countries might stand some chance against the US and it's allies. But if they did, you can bet the military would nuke them.



[edit on 10-6-2010 by belial259]

Originally posted by belial259
reply to post by Parallex

 

No you don't get it yet. America has something over them and they know it. They're in no position to stand up to NATO yet and they might not ever be again. They'll give the US what it wants in the interest of global peace and trade, and their own continued survival.

I think China and Russia have given us North Korea and Iran to appease us. And that's why Russia isn't putting the missiles in Iran. It's just like Cuba. They tested the US to see what Obama would do and test the new administration. And now they're backing away.

And the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are more or less over. The USA needs more plunder to keep going. Iran should fill the squids belly for a while.

The globalists in charge of the United States, through all three Rockefeller-controlled globalist arms (BG, CFR & TC) and the PNAC initiative, want a war with Iran to continue their orgy of colonization and destruction, because the country is being used as a vehicle for the advancement of a one world order, then they would dispose the country when they're done with it.

Originally posted by belial259

Originally posted by joojii
This administration is soft, delicate putty in their hands.

Who cares about the administration they're fools and don't matter. The US military and it's contractors aren't putty, they're the most powerful, well armed, experienced and advanced military in the world. The US is a global super power with no rival.

I don't know if you've noticed how much the US military has progressed thanks to the war on terror. Nobody can defeat the USA by conventional means. Nobody. And their troops have been hardened in battle, are fanatically loyal and will stop at nothing to defend the US and it's interests.

Maybe a large coalition of countries might stand some chance against the US and it's allies. But if they did, you can bet the military would nuke them.



[edit on 10-6-2010 by belial259]

That's why sandal-wearing cave-dwellers kept them fighting for 8+ years....
second line.

Originally posted by TSawyer
That's why sandal-wearing cave-dwellers kept them fighting for 8+ years....
second line.

No, you don't understand. "Sandal-wearing cave-dwellers" kept the American way of life going and Wall Street fighting for 8+ years. And now they're done. Have nothing left, and heavily in debt to the World Bank and IMF. There is no more gain to be had from Iraq and Afghanistan and it's time to move on.

Regardless of how much everyone would like to have war, Russia , prefers not to. This is good news today. Hope it stix.

reply to post by guessing


So do I. Maybe humanity won't wipe itself out yet.

Any war, even one that sees a country or two fall. Is much much more preferable than an all out nuclear conflict.

Absolutely no problem at all.Russia will a) deliver the systems via black
market or b) will use a friendly ally, like Syria.

However, i am inclined to c) Russia will keep their promise and deliver
the S-300's to Iran oficialy.
There is a good reason.They want to see how those S-300 will act in a real
aerial attack (warplanes or missiles or both).Remember that S-400 is
defending the Moscow air space and they are an upgrade to S-300.Noone
of the systems was relly tested in real combat.

Oh, and btw, at this point, US in a coventional war will most likely win even
against a world coalition.Insurgency is not war (tip to the guy who beleive
that some sandal-wearers cave-dwellers keep fighting for 8 years against
the US military machine.
The key word is NOT sandal-wearers its CAVE-DWELLERS.Yep, they live
in caves, but man, they must be good because they keep fighting (lol).

Originally posted by Recollector
Yep, they live
in caves, but man, they must be good because they keep fighting (lol).

They were. Especially Afghanistan. When the US was in Iraq and it was the Brits and Aussies holding Afghanistan my god they had a go at it then. Looked a bit like they might be turning things around for a while. Even after their army was wiped out by air strikes and the Taliban crumbled they fought on.

They were fantastic and I respect them for being able to give our boys a run for their money, fight for their country and people, even to the death. I've no doubt the Iranians and their allies will also be a challenge, they're a smart and proud people. Defiant.

They're probably pretty good. A little too good. That's why their an "existential threat". Or could be one in the future.

They might last a few years.

RT just said that the missile deal is still on. They usually speak for the Russian government

Originally posted by belial259
No you don't get it yet. America has something over them and they know it.

Not really. You seem to place too much weight on the influence of the US foreign policy. No doubt it is extensive in some regions of the world, but highly limited in others.

It is a give-and-take relationship, and there are of course negotiations behind this. Nobody pressured Russia into approving the sanctions, and no one is in a position to pressure Russia. Russia approved this because it no doubt got some concessions from US/NATO/Israel. What are these concessions? It is anyone's guess, and they may not come into play until years later. In my opinion US backing out from the Anti Ballistic Missile System installation in Eastern Europe may have something to do with it. Israel has been holding talks on undisclosed topics with Russia recently as well, possibly involving some military and defense contracts.

Originally posted by belial259
They're in no position to stand up to NATO yet and they might not ever be again.

What do you mean "stand up to NATO"? Fight an all out war? Even that would be questionable, given Russia's ever present nuclear arsenal. And then who in their right mind would start a war with Russia over sanctions, or over anything for that matter?

If you mean stand up politically - then Russia also has fairly good leverage. It has good relations with much of Europe, and regained Ukraine's favor. It has some influence over the supply routes to Afghanistan for the US' war effort. And it has oil and gas - need I say more.

Ultimately Russia doesn't need to stand up to NATO. NATO no longer has its original military alliance objectives, since the idealogy they opposed is long gone. NATO today is a Cold War era dinosaur, still searching for its present day purpose.

Originally posted by belial259
They'll give the US what it wants in the interest of global peace and trade, and their own continued survival.

Please... their continued survival? Do you think Russia's survival is at stake because they would not support some silly sanctions?

As for global peace - Russia is no more or less concerned about that than the US. What Russia is concerned above all, is its own national interests.

And US doesn't hold much in the way of trade over Russia's head. It already made clear to Russia that it won't let it into its WTO club. Now Russia isn't too concerned with that, and no longer needs to strive to achieve the standards necessary for membership.

Originally posted by belial259
I think China and Russia have given us North Korea and Iran to appease us.

You were "given" North Korea and Iran? Well in that case you must have declined the offer, seeing how neither NK or Iran behaves as if the US is their owner. Neither China nor Russia will do any appeasing - it is all about diplomatic negotiation.

I can only picture other powers "feeding" small third world countries to US. Still hungry? Here is Thailand. Want dessert? Have some Bangladesh. Maybe the US should finish chewing Afghanistan and Iraq first.

Originally posted by belial259
And that's why Russia isn't putting the missiles in Iran. It's just like Cuba.

Russia was never aiming to put its missiles in Iran. It was going to sell Iran missiles. There is a difference - in Cuba, Russia would have operated and manned the installations. In Iran, full operative control and decision making would pass to Iran as the buyer.

Originally posted by belial259
They tested the US to see what Obama would do and test the new administration. And now they're backing away.

The deal was in play long before Obama - dating as far back as 2006.

Originally posted by belial259
And the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are more or less over.

Really? What about the mounting coalition forces body count? And remind us what portion of Afghan territory is currently under firm control of the coalition?

Originally posted by belial259
The USA needs more plunder to keep going. Iran should fill the squids belly for a while.

Invading and occupying Iran is an impossible task, short of launching a total war of annihilation against civilian population. It is almost three times the size of Iraq, both in terms of territory and population. I am certain that full invasion of Iran was ever a realistic consideration by the US.

The most that can happen, is a precision strike against military, nuclear and government targets and infrastructure, with a goal of temporary incapcitation of their defense and government operations. But the Iran regime would no doubt manage to recover, possibly becoming stronger in the process. Even such an attack would be very unlikely at this point.

According to the Russian Times the missile deal between Russia and Iran is still on.

Russia will continue with Iranian missile contract

10 June, 2010, 14:06

Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Industrial Cooperation informed reporters on Thursday that Russia will continue work on the contract to supply the S300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran.

“As far as the S300 supplies to Iran are concerned, Russia is not bound by the UN Security Council resolution and the work with this contract goes on,” Mikhail Dmitriyev, an official from the Federal Service for Military-Industrial Cooperation, said.

As the head of the parliamentary committee for international affairs Konstantin Kosachev explained the new UN resolution does not touch upon defense weaponry. Thus, the S-300 systems must not be included in it.

The UN Security Council passed a resolution on Iranian sanctions on June 9. The new document – developed jointly by the United States, Russia, China, United Kingdom, France and Germany – imposes a ban on supplying Iran with tanks, military ships, combat aircraft, as well as large caliber artillery, missiles and missile systems. The resolution was passed after Iran harshly refused to stop developing its own nuclear program.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also confirmed Russia will go on with the construction of the Bushehr nuclear power plant in Iran, which is expected to be launched in August.

"The resolution doesn't put up any obstacles in this sense and this concerns not only the Bushehr project, but any other number of new light-water nuclear power units," said Lavrov.

Anton Khlopkov, the founding director of the Center for Energy and Security Studies, thinks that in August the first criticality will be reached in the nuclear power plant Bushehr and the first electricity will be produced “later this year and probably next year.”

However, he’s sure “that Russia will not conclude any new agreements which will violate the recent resolution.”