David Cameron will fly St. George's flag above Downing St., page 2

reply to post by blupblup

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It's all part of the anti-English nonsense that has been so prevalent for decades now.
Any display of English nationalism has been discouraged in an effort to appease our fellow Brits.
However, they are actively encouraged to revel in their own individual national heritage and pride.
The Scots are quite rightly proud of their own seperate history and culture as are The Welsh and Northern Irish and expressions of it are seen as healthy patriotism.
But any such expression of Englishness is seen as arrogance or racism.

I remember having an Angelic Upstarts England T-Shirt back in '81 or '82ish.
Most people thought I was weird and couldn't understand why I didn't have a Union Jack t-shirt and why I was so pro-English.

Over the years I have seen The St. George's Cross gradually becoming more and more common place and accepted as awareness of our English heritage becomes greater.
Despite the repeated and concerted efforts of the PC Brigade the stigma of racism has reduced and the obsession with The Union Flag has diminished.

I am English first and foremost and have long got past the feeling that I HAVE to broadcast my pride at all times.
But I should be able to do so whenever I want.

As a quick aside, I am also very proud to be considered British and have pride in the Union Flag which represents The Union.
And I have no problem with the other nationalities expressing pride in their own culture, just please extend me the same courtesy.

reply to post by Freeborn

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Yeah man, It certainly has been going on a long time and I feel it's going to have to be sorted out sooner rather than later.

I also consider myself English first and foremost but I also like being British too, I don't see the two as separate and think that you can quite happily be British and English, much as the Scots and Welsh are.

I certainly feel more British than I do European.... something I find odd.
We're part of the continent, obviously, and are also part of the EU, but strangely I don't really consider myself or ever really refer to myself as European.

I wonder why?

It's not a conscious thing and don't dislike the idea of being European.... with the liberal views on sex and all the other cliché's ( ), It's just I never really think in those terms.
I wonder what other European nations/citizens feel that way?

I find the whole topic of identity and particularly national identity pretty interesting.


[edit on 10/6/10 by blupblup]

reply to post by woodwardjnr

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Despite what they may admit publicly, there are quite a few Scots who actually will be rooting for us!

I personally think it is heresy!

I have lot's of Scottish friends and visit Glasgow frequently.
They are great people and very loyal friends
Despite being a very proud Englishman I also am proud of The British Union, it's people and it's achievements.

But when it comes to sport I want their national representative sides to lose always, unless they are playing France or Argentina, and maybe Wales, lol.

I would gladly lay my life on the line for them in any conflict, but this is just how it should be between England and Scotland at sport.

Anything else is a different matter completly!

reply to post by executioner

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I live in North East England and I assure you Sir, I have shown many a Jock how to party, lol.

Dubious victory?
4-2 says it all.
Just hope we get a Russian ref in South Africa!

Strange you tar us with the same brush as our media, the media call for their heads, not necesarily us.
And anyway, Scotland changes it's manager religously every 2 - 4 years, either before or after a European or World Cup qualifying campaign.
Wonder why?

reply to post by blupblup

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European?
Never!
I don't feel the slightest bit European and have far more in common with our Canadian, Kiwi and Aussie cousins and possibly The Irish and Yanks.

Yeah, I get on with some continentals as individuals but I don't feel a common bond or anything like that and certainly don't feel any sort of loyalty towards them.

I am English and British, and proud of them both and I too see no conflict whatsoever.

Yes, we need an English Parliament along the lines of Stormont and Holyrood etc and it needs to be done soon.
And we still need a UK Parliament.
We need urgent and radical electoral and parliamentary reform.

But more importantly we need politicians of conviction who are prepared to stand by their principles and beliefs and put the care and concerns of their constituents before party dogma and allegiance!

As for displaying flags?

Think I covered that before.
I really enjoy seeing outpourings of national pride, but don't do it myself apart from no-one else is doing it.
My English pride is with me at all times, not just during The World Cup etc.
but wtf, it makes for a hell of a party etc.

reply to post by blupblup

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I am so pleased that Cameron with be flying the St. George's flag - Hear, hear.....

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by blupblup

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European?
Never!
I don't feel the slightest bit European and have far more in common with our Canadian, Kiwi and Aussie cousins and possibly The Irish and Yanks.

Totally agree mate.

I pretty much get one with everyone and wherever i've gone, always made friends with the locals.

But yeah, you're right... we do have more in common with the aforementioned nations.

[edit on 10/6/10 by blupblup]

reply to post by vesta

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Yeah mate.... I actually really like Cameron's stance on Europe and how he's not afraid to annoy the PC brigade and not afraid to be patriotic.

Makes a change anyway.

reply to post by valiant

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I hate the Tories and "Dave" too.... but as with all the 3 main parties, there are things I agree with them on and things I disagree with them on.

I do though, applaud "Dave" for this move... good on him.

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