Do you feel "manly" when you fight agaisnt the system?

I personally don't have a particular distrust for the government or authority.

I have come to find though, if something stinks there is probably a pile of # somewhere.

If I feel something is wrong, or goes against the good of the people then I'll speak out about it until I'm blue in the face.

Which is generally all that happens, NOONE cares until it hits HOME and directly affects them.

Originally posted by ThaLoccster
I personally don't have a particular distrust for the government or authority.

I have come to find though, if something stinks there is probably a pile of # somewhere.

If I feel something is wrong, or goes against the good of the people then I'll speak out about it until I'm blue in the face.

Which is generally all that happens, NOONE cares until it hits HOME and directly affects them.

Very well put ThaLoccster. At least some on here states their reasons. Thanks for the reply!

reply to post by AccessDenied


Mr Holier than thou....? Is that not condescending too. Only someone who is angered by another uses anything to put someone else out of action. In your case the T&C to which i am abiding. So grow up and state your point like a normal adult instead of resorting to the child like "im telling on you" plot.

This is from wikipedia.
"The authoritarian personality is an influential theory of personality developed by University of California, Berkeley psychologists, Else Frenkel-Brunswik, Daniel Levinson, and Nevitt Sanford and the German emigre sociologist and philosopher Theodor W. Adorno, in their 1950 book of the same name. The personality type is defined by nine traits that were believed to cluster together as the result of psychodynamic, childhood experiences. These traits are conventionalism, authoritarian submission, authoritarian aggression, anti-intraception, superstition and stereotypy, power and "toughness," destructiveness and cynicism, projectivity, and exaggerated concerns over sexuality (sexual repression).[1] In brief, the authoritarian is predisposed to follow the dictates of a strong leader and traditional, conventional values. "

I could list all the reasons I mistrust the government, but it wouldn't matter. You would interpret these things differently. You would see Iran-Contra, the vietnam war, the iraq war, haliburton's missing billions, 9-11, CIA coc aine smuggling, and countless other things differently than me, regardless of proof, regardless of our individual level of research. I accept that a large portion of the population are authoritarian types. We can have a beer and be friendly, we just shouldn't discuss anything important. We won't just disagree, we'll completely see a different reality.

In honest answer to your query (which I suspect was hardly honest in itself) the very way you frame the question "do you feel manly..." perfectly illustrates your authoritarian mindset. My manhood is not so in constant need of propping up, and doesn't define my actions.
My main problem with your OP and responses, however isn't your intolerance for others views (after all that's part of the authoritarian psychology) but your rather insane assumptions. For example, I've never taken a government handout in my life. I'm the most self-reliant person I know. I don't even need a "job" thank you very much. You don't know me. I think the entire tone of your OP is informed by nothing but rabid assumptions. Work on that, and maybe the insulting tone you invariably bring to your posts...

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I fight the system each and every day of my life.

There is nothing in this world that can make me feel MANLY.

I am all female, and do not need a manly label to fight the system, female power all the way.

Enjoy your government, I personally cannot stand mine.

Originally posted by C11H17N2NaO2S
However I am a firm believer in Government and that once an election has been won we should stand united, shoulder-to-shoulder with our elected persons. That is the strength of Democracy but also the weakness, because democracy allows for free vote but also allows for turning and victimization of those very people you elected when the going gets tough!

I’m surprised that no one here has pointed this out so let me be the one to enlighten you. We don’t live in a “Democracy.” Assuming you live in the USA, our form of government is called a Constitutional Republic. Our Constitutional Republic was formed so that if people like you ever become the majority, then you couldn’t vote to take away the rights of people like me.

Considering you don’t even understand that basic premise, the rest of your post is moot.

Educate yourself before making such ignorant statements. That is, after all, the slogan here at ATS.

Originally posted by C11H17N2NaO2S
You have no respect for the authority because you are too damn self centered to realize that by calling the government criminals and thieves and should spend some time in jail, you are forgetting one important matter. They are somebodies in life and you are not. You failed. You need a damn good spanking and a lesson in Hypocrisy.

Originally posted by C11H17N2NaO2S
Nice user name mr faceoff. Dont tell me you used your birthyear with your favourite Nic Cage film or are you a John travolta man. Well done!

Regardless of any of the views expressed in this thread, personal attacks like that just wreck your credibility, C11H17N2NaO2S.

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it doesn't make me feel like a man.

It makes me feel like a patriot. That is what i want to be. I love America. Not what our government does, but what we were founded on. I love this country very deeply for what it was meant to represent regarding liberty, freedom, and an absence of tyranny.

I don't buck everything they do. Just a lot of it. It is because they are screwing me over to line their pockets. What is there to support? I am not a docile lamb. Being a proper patriot, i am prone to unruliness.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I fight the system each and every day of my life.

There is nothing in this world that can make me feel MANLY.

I am all female, and do not need a manly label to fight the system, female power all the way.

Enjoy your government, I personally cannot stand mine.

Im all for female power. So I can have no recourse to bring any negativity to your response apart from thank you!

reply to post by DrZERO


I do not live in the USA full time. I am from the UK which is a democracy however my work posing is to the US for the next 16 months.

Since I have been here in the US I have come to love every aspect of it. My job entails that I am exempt from paying tax and I love the fact that I can carry a hand gun legally. My permits for my hand gun were pushed through with such ease that I wonder why my ID for my work took three days longer to process. I love that about America the right to defend yourself against the scum of the world. I love the fact that America has such a powerful Army and uses it with great force. I think that America believes in destroying all enemies where ever they are even on home soil so I am fully behind that. The people in America who fight the present and last administration get completely stomped on by the Gov and that thrills me to watch and read about in various formats. I love the fact that Arizona is standing up to the infestation of ILLEGAL immigrants. I love the fact that when Obama was being sworn in the masses that attended truly spoke volumes about the support they showed towards him and his underlings. I loved the fact then when I was entering the US I witnessed people being questioned about there journey's, I saw people be randomly searched. I people being thoroughly scrutinized before being allowed free passage. This is good for its citizens. I am impressed with the level of command different agencies have for different emergencies. I was shocked though to find that the level of crisis management in place in public buildings and government buildings is still not up to scratch. This to me explains how a number of Idiots from the Islamic faith managed to hijack some planes and cause havoc that day on 9/11. Its not easy for a country like the USA to admit that they had poor security measures in place and their attitude of "it can not happen to us" backfired.

I am pro government for personal reason mainly but I see it as a system we can all play.

I am not in favor of the mass of religion you have in the States and the sooner they abolish religion completely then the sooner we will progress as a people. I do believe the government has the right to tax people and within reason they have the right to use technology to keep one step ahead of the population. I am not a big conspiracy advocate as MOST of the stuff genuinely has little to no credible evidence.

I love the fact that America treats its workers very well. I have no complaints what-so-ever. I love the fact the my pound is worth more so I can pump more of my tax free pound to dollars on things I like.

I will look to extend my posting in the States after the remaining 16 months if they will have me....I dont see why not, as my field of employ depends on the outcome of multiple facets.

I love the fact that my employer loans me a Hummer for the duration of my stay, which would costs a fortune to run on UK fuel price back home in England.

As you can see the I do not have much to complain about. I enjoy private healthcare in the US which is ok...I doubt i will be using the waiting rooms much during my time here. This truly is the land of the free. I have no restriction on what I do (within reason).

I have no restrictions on what I can and can not do....except for the boundries of the Law of course.

So what have you all got to complain about? I can see the only people who have something to complain about are the same people in every "free" country. The people who have not quite made something out of their lives. (this does not include everyone) just most.

As far as blaming the government for all the worlds problems...well i think we have to differ there because I will back the governments version over some lunatic on this site. And a lot of members on here are and would be diagnosed with some form on paranoid type condition. Do you UFO's exist. Well I think we all know the answer to that question!

Originally posted by PublicDefenseCorp
Lmao @ the OP.
Another Gov mindwashed fool come to this website to try and make us feel little as usual.
Feel like a man? No, lol, I'd get that feeling from knowing I'm standing for what I believe in, and not allowing the gov, or some fat ass double chinned wannabe's bent on world slavery from telling me what to do.
F*** them, and f*** you too.

YOU do everything the government tells you too. Its only on here that you blab your mouth. YOU are on here because you are scared of what may happen in the near future. YOU know you have nothing of value to the powers that be and therefor you will be on a Database somewhere in Langley with some others marked "Terminatio statim".

Verzögern!!

For me to have any respect of power it must come from (IMO) a worthy place.

Not religious voodoo without a shred of evidence, not from some theoretic ideology which has little or no historical evidence to back it up.

And if it just for the priviledged criminal elites to fatten their larders yet further it is an antipathy of anything i would respect.

Not from some political snake, gleefully smiling that they have charmed, disarmed & scored some popular political point making on their personal ego trip.

Not from some testosterone brick brain who wants to fight because evolution gave them a love & lust for it at any expense.

I will admit a deep and abiding anti-authoritarian instinct, based on personal formative experience.

One should have certain core values established, most of which are clearly explainable.

for me,

species survival,
reasonable environment preservation,
technological advancement,
intellectual growth,
and all of these should avoid, wherever possible treading upon people's spirit &/or spiritual paths or personal enterprise.

How one can take these fundamental propositions &
try to supplant them with greedy people should be assisted in taking more from gullible &/or powerless others,
Or for religious mumbo jumbo,
Or mass murderous military pridefulness,

is both shocking, &

boggles my mind.

Core values can be strategized, economized, theorized, experimented with & about,

but they can not be 'negotiated away' like some plastic casino chips.

As for making me feel 'manly'?

I am gay & pretty at ease with the idea due to a sheltered, perhaps maudlin childhood.

I suppose it might pander to the sensation of acting as an engaged adult,
but considering recent government actions [atrocities] obviously some one needs to do something, so until government magically does what it is supposed to be doing, then if i don't do something then i & any future beings looking back can only lay at least some of the 'blame' at my feet.

I think about other people somewhat, but i am much more selfish than that,

These core values are our COLLECTIVE SELFISH INTERESTS,

not some airy fairy pie in the sky.

very likely they spell the difference between survival, success or extinction of this, namely MY species.

I suppose there is an aspect of poking the bear about it that has a certain charge. But as long as i am poking the bear in a way that [i think] will be a better direction for the bear [& me] that is ok.
It is not my problem if the bear is stupid to get a clue & do the 'right' thing.

reply to post by C11H17N2NaO2S
If it were me I would get rid of all of you


Yea, I bet you would! Wolf in sheeps clothing!

Originally posted by crazydaisy
reply to post by C11H17N2NaO2S

 

If it were me I would get rid of all of you


Yea, I bet you would! Wolf in sheeps clothing!

Wolf in sheeps clothing? And how is that? What are you talking about? Useless comment.

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reply to post by C11H17N2NaO2S


I think you are generalizing when you say that everyone complaining about the government its doing so because they have not been able to make something of themselves. But I do think there is quite a lot of resentment by people who think they have the right to do as they please without regards to the LAW.

By the sound of it you trust and respect the LAW. You see the benefits of an organized structure where everyone agrees to play by the LAW. You see honor in respecting your "natural superiors", and you feel gratitude for the corporation that employs you. Is it just me or you seem to trust institutions more than people? People had let you down? its that why you like the comfort of a structured society? you like to keep people were they "belong"? , you need a gun to protect yourself from the crazies.

You say you are not religious, well,we have that in common. I was not always this way though, there was a time when religion IMO was need it to help comfort the ignorant masses. Religion offered a structured system (the Law of GOD) of beliefs for those ignorant of their own power. This power Its been called lots of things I like to call it Critical thinking, or Common Sense, aka Consciousness; always developing , never-ending.

Just like organized Religion, current governments serve the purpose of giving meaning to (No offense to anyone) ignorant people who lack the understanding of who they trully are. Dont get government confused with a referee or overseer who will interject in society with a sense of universal justice in defense of equality and liberty. I dont know what history books you read but that its not how government works today.

I have to agree with u that reacting to any governmental decree with violence or insolence its not a positive step, but your option of obeying the LAW its as ignorant as the later. Any institution (branches of government) its by design structured to serve one purpose; consolidate power. Government its not evil its just government, it does not know how to teach people to Govern themselves (common sense, very few parents do) it just attempts to FORCE people to not do what critical thinking shows to be unproductive.

No worries, In due time Government just like organized religion, will show themselves as the farce they trully are, and hopefully (im not a psychic, its just my understanding) will be replaced by a united sense that we are all on this rock together, rich and poor, citizens and illegals alike; with no were to go, and you still get to keep your hummer.

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Remember, 'Law' comes in many, many flavors.

Righteous, ethical, fair law,

& pretzel twisted corruption that 'legitimizes' essentially criminality.

Remember,

NAZI death camps were LEGAL in NAZI Germany.

'Legality' is only as good as what you put in it.
It sure isn't some 'magic' bullet that is always on target.
Most of the time you are lucky if it is even close.

What we get out of Washington DC for decades is sick rotten pretzel twisted corruption of 'law' that sometimes isn't even constitutional.

Originally posted by LoKito
reply to post by C11H17N2NaO2S

 

By the sound of it you trust and respect the LAW. You see the benefits of an organized structure where everyone agrees to play by the LAW. You see honor in respecting your "natural superiors", and you feel gratitude for the corporation that employs you. Is it just me or you seem to trust institutions more than people? People had let you down? its that why you like the comfort of a structured society? you like to keep people were they "belong"? , you need a gun to protect yourself from the crazies.

You say you are not religious, well,we have that in common. I was not always this way, there was a time when I saw the need for religion, to help comfort the ignorant masses. Religion offered a structured system (the Law of GOD) of beliefs for those ignorant of their own power. This power Its been called lots of things I like to call it Critical thinking, or Common Sense, aka Consciousness; always developing , never-ending.

Just like organized Religion, current governments serve the purpose of giving meaning to (No offense to anyone) ignorant people who lack the understanding of who they trully are. I have to agree with u that reacting to any governmental decree with violence or insolence its not a positive step, but your option of obeying the LAW its as ignorant as the later. Any institution (branches of government) its by design structured to serve one purpose; consolidate power. Government its not evil its just government, it does not know who to teach people how to Govern themselves (common sense) it just attempts to FORCE people to not do what critical thinking shows to be unproductive. In due time Government just like organized religion, will show themselves as the farce they trully are, and hopefully (im not a psychic, its just my understanding) will be replaced by a united sense that we are all on this rock together, rich and poor, citizens and illegals alike; with no were to go, and you still get to keep your hummer.

Thank you for a very well put reply. This gives me some hope that some people on here should be excluded from any blanket judgment that is due any time in the near future.

As far as Law abiding goes, I am open to all aspects this side and that side of the law. I am more about the fact that if you choose to break it then don't moan when you are sitting in the dock facing 10-30. I'm an opportunist at heart and a planner by mind! I have clearly stated on this site before that I a not a fan of police at all. I do not trust people...you are right....not because anyone has given me a reason...just that people are extremely weak and rely on feelings and emotion when making important decisions.
My job entails very close contact with people, so I am a people person however I hold no connection with them beyond work. I just believe that government is the way forward, however I am aware of individuals who are less honest and corrupt. This is not the fault of government and its structure but the fault of humans. Human beings are the fault for many things. You are correct..government is just government. It can not teach the individuals to hold a moral high ground.

I make use of a gun in the US becasue they are banned in the UK and being a guy I like toys. Plus as part of my job clause and safety inclusion I am expected to carry it on person at all times. Im more for the end of the day and I can head to a range with a friend and fire off some rounds for enjoyment. There are no more crazies over here in the US than there are in London. Do i want people in there "places". well I believe that in order to move up to a new position in life you must work to get their. I do not believe in hand outs and do not believe in equality for all. We each need to make a contribution to our society and community and that if you want respect in life you damn well need to earn it. i believe everyone has a place but can change their place by working for it. Anyway you can!

I am just not for publicly bashing our governments online in the "privacy" of home but failing to work towards a position in life that could enable you to make a change. The people on here are so quick to mouth off but so slow to stand up and make a difference. I find that very cowardly.

If government does fizzle out along with religion i just wonder if people are prepared for what will takes its place. Better the devil you Know!!

Thank you for your imput!

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reply to post by C11H17N2NaO2S


Looks like you talk out of both sides of your mouth. You don't sound like a conformist to me.

Here is what you posted in this thread about the 2010 Census by Proto www.abovetopsecret.com

"You people in the states are sooo screwed its unbelievable.

YOU were the ones sold the "American Dream" and what for? So the government can pick you off and own you outright. You all belong to the US government and there is nothing you can do about it.

While the threat of Marshall law hang precariously over your heads you are all in the process of being cataloged, numbered and soon my friends BRANDED.

The only reason the Census people listened and hung on your every word so politely is that they are instructed to do so and report each and every person that does not comply through a series of gradings.

NOW you my friend gave such a distinct and detailed analysis of your suspicions (probably correct) that you were graded Priority 1.

Meaning - troublesome, resistant, anti-government and a possible threat to the US through your non-patriotic outlook.

You see every business from Banking call centers to local authority grades each "customer" based on their profitability, politeness, responsiveness to their "marketing, etc.

So you should beware and keep your very informative and well researched opinions to yourself and when the Census or any government "gastapo" comes calling ever just say "NO thank you I do not deal with doorstep salesmen" end of. Then close the door!!!

Never let it be known to your captors your real intentions. Always play along without actually giving any info away.

Or contact a man by the name of J.J Luna. If you can find him that is.

Im from the UK and although our government (new PM) is not nearly perfect I can still remain anonymous in todays society.

Technology may advance and Big bro is monitoring but hide and seek is still the same game it was when your grand dad was a child. It never changes.

Good luck Americans for you will soon need every ounce of it and I do hope the majority of you come out safe of whatever they have planned for you over there."

reply to post by FearNoEvil


Yes it is true. You are forced to comply with the census. Many people on that thread were speaking of being bullied and threatened which is the way you must be treated if you disobey the law.

I gave some good advice on seeking out some help on staying under the radar if you do not wished to be watched every second.

Staying under the radar is not illegal. If you fail to comply with things like the census then you will be screwed over.

You are all being cataloged for the need of National Security. You are screwed in the States, but that does not mean you can not live. If you have nothing to hide you have no problem in a round about sort of way. Everyone in the US must comply with the government. Thats why my post here asks "do you feel manly when you fight against the system?"

I have always said that fighting is futile....you are neither trained for it or now how to really fight and make a point. So play the game but add a few rules of your own to eek out minor victories for yourself.

However this does not mean go around brandishing a huge mouth but carry very tiny genitals under your pants. You can not sit there and call the government - killers, theives or mass murderers without confirmed proof and without at least one court of law to back you! You will LOSE and so you should because you will always be the smallest dog in the yard. Plus the government can and might decide to rid the world of certain types of people.

So I am barely talking out of both sides of my mouth when I state in various posts on this thread that I personally love the US and its current system and as a free citizen (as of writing this post) I have no complaints.
I was not Censused. I have not had any reason to complain whilst being in the states, instead i could almost vouch for it as a place to live.

Like I said many times I do not like police at all and do not appreciate having people come to my front door and demand details from me. So i do not put myself in that position.

My views are the same though. And that is having some self respect and respect for those who are charged with your well being. Showing loyalty to ones country includes all aspect of it for if not you can not and will not defend it with you honor. You would be in a position of conflict. You should stand as one and fall as one. Petty differences can and should remain out of the public eye unless you can be bothered to make a real difference to things. Which I suspect you and others on here can not! So if people can not change things through hard determination and hard work then they should back down and get in line.