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reply posted on 13-6-2010 @ 06:05 PM by stereologist
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Estimates of the size of the creature producing the bloop are not quite that big, but bigger than a blue whale. Real evidence is so much more fun and so much more interesting than the fake stories strewn everywhere. I hope the big bloop talks again some day.


reply posted on 17-6-2010 @ 09:37 AM by stereologist
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So you don't have any evidence for anything larger than a blue whale. All you have is conjecture based on possibilities from your personal interpretation of what happen based on belief in a supernatural agent.


reply posted on 22-6-2010 @ 06:39 PM by 1SawSomeThings
reply to post by faceoff85




Bloop? care to devulge on that? havent heard of it before...


Not only "bloop", but a variety of weird sounds, most of which were picked up by independent subsurface hydrophone arrays thousand(s) of miles apart. Making them very powerful in amplitude. Also very low frequency. Note that the recordings on the NOAA page are 16x the actual duration.

NOAA Unidentified subsea sounds page

Weird? IMO very much so.



[edit on 22-6-2010 by 1SawSomeThings]


reply posted on 25-6-2010 @ 07:24 AM by ravenshadow13
Stereologist is sort of right. Sort of.


an·i·mal (n-ml)
n.
1. A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.

www.thefreedictionary.com...

Locomotion doesn't need to mean it moves around, it can mean that certain stages of development are motile or that individual cells are.

I'm aware that there is a single tunicate that stretches miles along the bottom of the Gorges bank.

So, it depends what you define an "animal" as. But in my opinion, blue whales have nothin' on this. People just tend to only count vertebrates.

krbd.org...

digitalcommons.uconn.edu...


reply posted on 25-6-2010 @ 07:44 AM by stereologist
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The tunicate population you refer to is a colony of animals. I am not restricting myself to motile animals.

“There is a tunicate, Didendum, that is on Georges Bank, very famous fishing grounds on the North East, they were the cod fishing grounds, it’s covering huge areas there, like up to six miles in diameter, areas on the bottom.

Here they are referring to a species, not a single organism. They form a colony of many individual creatures that can blanket large areas.

Tunicates - wikipedia

Tunicates
Some are as small as sesame seeds and some as big as potatoes. Some are solitary and others live in dense clusters.

Read more: Tunicate - Biology Encyclopedia - body, animal, water www.biologyreference.com...

The biggest tunicates are only hand sized specimens.


Tunicates, like humans, are in the animal phylum Chordata. Read more: Tunicate - Biology Encyclopedia - body, animal, water www.biologyreference.com...


Didendum photo


reply posted on 25-6-2010 @ 07:49 AM by ravenshadow13
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Most tunicates are colonial. Sorry, I forgot to clarify. I personally count most colonial organisms as a single entity. Example: P. physalis (Portoguese Man O' War) is a colonial cnidarian but it is commonly considered a single entity. I have held B. violaceus in my hand and it is functionally a single organism.

I thought it was a given because the B. violaceus pictured in the article that I linked, and all of the species discussed in the two links, are commonly known colonial tunicates.

Oh and they're not referring to the species in general. They're referring to a micropopulation of a colonial tunicate that began as a single cluster. Therefore the organisms are nearly genetically identical, whereas a species has high genetic diversity.

Which I'm sure you already know.

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reply posted on 25-6-2010 @ 08:13 AM by stereologist
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There are species which have low genetic diversity as you know.

How do you know that this colonial began from 1 individual? You don't know that do you? You are guessing.


reply posted on 25-6-2010 @ 04:29 PM by ravenshadow13
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I know how colonial orgasm typically develop. I didn't say one, I said a small cluster. It doesn't start off huge and recruitment doesn't work like that.


reply posted on 25-6-2010 @ 05:18 PM by stereologist
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In this case the animals are reproducing sexually. Their genetic diversity is large. They happen to live in close proximity. It is many individuals in close proximity.


reply posted on 25-6-2010 @ 06:42 PM by ravenshadow13
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No, their genetic diversity is not very large because I don't think the pelagic stage lasts long enough for very large dispersal patterns. I am aware that they reproduce sexually.

Come back to me regarding the dispersal of tunicate larvae and maybe I will believe you.

Edit: I'm not trying to be picky, I'm trying to get you to ask questions and consider all of the options.

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