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reply posted on 16-6-2004 @ 10:33 AM by jazzmaster
Originally posted by gastric cancer
Originally posted by jazzmaster
Originally posted by gastric cancer
I forgive you for your little Chinese history.

Two mistakes:
1.Taiwan is not a country,It is a part of China.This is common sense!
2.There are no Paracel Islands in the world.there are Chinese South islands.Remember!!!

Before 3500 years,our people had landed Chinese South islands and named them use CHINESE(Did your country exist at that time?).They noted them in books and maps.Our acient books from that times showed it,they were all in Chinese.
Several hundred years ago,our people had already live in these islands.Our acient books from that times also showed it.
In 1933,Chinese government(PRC was established at 1949,so it is none of communist party's business) claim the dominion of south China sea,the same as "communist country".

So these islands belong to China.Simple,never changed!

I suggest you to take some Chinese history course.







If you categorize seafaring and records written by your people, I do not think that is a very solid arguement. If you read elementary history books of the Philliphinos and Vietnamese, you would see that they also have "South China Islands" in their ancient records also.
The Philippines people arrived at their islands 250,000 years ago by land bridge due to the fact of Ice Age. That was when sea level was much lower than it is today. They WALKED there along with Indonesians, Spratly Islands were much more exposed than today.

It is recorded in world history.

In 1624, the Dutch arrived at the island of Taiwan. They found only the aborigine population on the island: there were no signs of any administrative structure of the Chinese Imperial Government. They brought Chinese workers as migrant workers to work on rice fields and plantations.

It is recorded in the record of the Dutch.

It is only after China became Communist that Chinese started to migrate to Taiwan.

The South China Sea consists of four major groups of islands:
1.Spratly Islands
2.Macclesfield Islands
3.Paracel Islands
4.Pratas Islands

Since every country has a different name for America, i guess it is the same for this situation. Naming something in your own language does not mean you own it

Thank you for reading this. And again, waiting for your comment.

"An open-mind is a door to knowledge." Jazzmaster

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So different countries have different history.

"It is only after China became Communist that Chinese started to migrate to Taiwan. " is a lie.The poeple in Taiwan had used Chinese words and spoken Chinese hundreds years ago.Why they haven't their own language and words like Japan or Korea?Denying the relationship between Chinese mainland and Taiwan is meaningless.

I admit that the dominion of Chinese south islands still remain argument among these country.But I have no right to give these islands to others and we don't want to give to others.
If you were me,you would do the same.
Don't forget the war between UK and Argentina.

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For the case of language in Taiwan, that is because the island is now filled with Chinese speaking people, they bound to speak the language that is most universal. Take the case of Vietnam for example, the people of Vietnam spoke Chinese for almost one thousand years because the county was occupied by China for a long time. Then back in the 19th century, two Dutch and French priests invented the Vietnamese language they are speaking today. It does not mean that, during the time of occupation, Vietnam was a part of China. Think of it this way, the reason Taiwanese do not have their own language is because CHinese is the most spoken languuage in the world based on population.

You know gastric cancer, you are a very good debater, you know when to say what, i admire that. I guess the South China Sea situation will be resolved by those countries but it will take awhile because China has been all over Asia and it is hard to deny the inhabitance of Chinese on those islands.

Thank yor for reading this.


reply posted on 16-6-2004 @ 11:55 AM by gastric cancer
Originally posted by Vanguard
www.nwc.navy.mil...

have a read


I see

But you should notice the date of this article,2001/Autumn

You can't image the explosive development in Chinese military forces between 2000 to 2004.

Now China have over 300 Su-27,100 Su-30,100 FBC-1(equal to "tornado" for land attack and anti-warship),30-50 J-10.J-5 and J-6 had been already modified to robot bomb before 2000.

You can check how many Su-27 sk and Su-30 were exported from Russia to China,and how many Su-27 smk were made by China in recent 4 years.The number of J-10 is not quite true,maybe less of large.But J-10 in servicse has been confirmed.
Next year we will get increase more than 200-300 Su-27 or J-10,and we will buy Su-30 at the same time.
J-10

FBC-1

destoryor with "AGIES"(un-armed)



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reply posted on 16-6-2004 @ 01:22 PM by feindflug
Originally posted by gastric cancer
army.tom.com...

bbs.china.com...





oversized jaguar copy that also should have entered into service in the 70's




just look at this! same aircraft


click here to see


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reply posted on 16-6-2004 @ 01:38 PM by gastric cancer
Originally posted by feindflug
Originally posted by gastric cancer
army.tom.com...

bbs.china.com...





oversized jaguar copy that also should have entered into service in the 70's


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It is equal to tornado with more bomb and large flight radius.
Shape means nothing.

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