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Originally posted by American Mad Man
Originally posted by devilwasp
ok firstly the j-10 is no where near the same class as the f22 so can u come down from ur all high and mighty peak and lets talk seriosly here.
the j-10 is comparable to what a F16 c/d now let me c the f-14 tomcat is nice i love it personally but the F16 can kikc its arse so the j-10 can beat the F14 and F15. thers no point in comparing it 2 anything else because it aint in there league oh and i thought id mention if your pilots are so good then home come we beat u at wargames and your flying in what? F-18 hornets the best aeroplane in service in the US navy. we are flying harriers how the hell can u say that your better if we beat u.
[edit on 15-6-2004 by devilwasp]
The J-10 is NOT equal to the F-16! It is a cheap, inferior copy. So firstly, lets not assume that they are equal, because they are not - they simply share the same airframe.
You say that the F-16 can beat a F-14 and F-15. The F-14 would destroy the F-16 before the F-16 was within firing range of the tomcat (ever heard of the Phoenix missle system?)
And don't get me started on the F-15! It is the most combat proven plane in the world today - over 100 A2A kills without a single loss. On a side note, did you ever hear the story of the Isreali pilot who lost a wing yet still the plane flew him home safely? He didn't even know that the wing was missing, that is till everyone at the AF base ran up to him and pointed at the missing wing!
Now, you are claiming the US is losing wargames against you guys - i'm not denying that, cause I don't know, so could you throw me a link or 2 please?
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Historically, you are right. But doesn't it matter to you that maybe there are Islands that don't want to be a part of China? These are happy people, who enjoy freedoms that you don't. They like these freedoms and understand that Communism sucks - it is perhaps the most failed government type in the history of the world. So why can't they keep their independance?
Originally posted by gastric cancer
I forgive you for your little Chinese history.
Two mistakes:
1.Taiwan is not a country,It is a part of China.This is common sense!
2.There are no Paracel Islands in the world.there are Chinese South islands.Remember!!!
Before 3500 years,our people had landed Chinese South islands and named them use CHINESE(Did your country exist at that time?).They noted them in books and maps.Our acient books from that times showed it,they were all in Chinese.
Several hundred years ago,our people had already live in these islands.Our acient books from that times also showed it.
In 1933,Chinese government(PRC was established at 1949,so it is none of communist party's business) claim the dominion of south China sea,the same as "communist country".
So these islands belong to China.Simple,never changed!
I suggest you to take some Chinese history course.
Originally posted by devilwasp
i dont have any links mad man cause all my info on that comes from service men
though i do rem hearing about a certain incident with a frigate sinking the US flagship and running away safely
besides y cant the J-10 be equal so what if its a cheap copy its still a good aircraft
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Originally posted by devilwasp
ok firstly the j-10 is no where near the same class as the f22 so can u come down from ur all high and mighty peak and lets talk seriosly here.
the j-10 is comparable to what a F16 c/d now let me c the f-14 tomcat is nice i love it personally but the F16 can kikc its arse so the j-10 can beat the F14 and F15. thers no point in comparing it 2 anything else because it aint in there league oh and i thought id mention if your pilots are so good then home come we beat u at wargames and your flying in what? F-18 hornets the best aeroplane in service in the US navy. we are flying harriers how the hell can u say that your better if we beat u.
[edit on 15-6-2004 by devilwasp]
The J-10 is NOT equal to the F-16! It is a cheap, inferior copy. So firstly, lets not assume that they are equal, because they are not - they simply share the same airframe.
You say that the F-16 can beat a F-14 and F-15. The F-14 would destroy the F-16 before the F-16 was within firing range of the tomcat (ever heard of the Phoenix missle system?)
And don't get me started on the F-15! It is the most combat proven plane in the world today - over 100 A2A kills without a single loss. On a side note, did you ever hear the story of the Isreali pilot who lost a wing yet still the plane flew him home safely? He didn't even know that the wing was missing, that is till everyone at the AF base ran up to him and pointed at the missing wing!
Now, you are claiming the US is losing wargames against you guys - i'm not denying that, cause I don't know, so could you throw me a link or 2 please?
Originally posted by castellammare78
J-10 (Jian-10 Fighter aircraft 10) / F-10
The J-10 [the export version being designated F-10] is a multi-role single-engine and single-seat tactical fighter, with its combat radius of 1,000 km. It is designed for point defensive warfare with performance generatlly matching aircraft such as the Mirage 2000 deployed by Taiwan. Apparently, Chinese engineers are trying to develop the J-10 from a single F-16 provided by Pakistan, and with assistance from Israeli engineers associated with Israel�s US-financed Lavi fighter program, which was cancelled in 1987.
The acquisition of Su-27, after China had attempted for years to develop the J-10 aircraft with equivalent technology to perform similar functions, demonstrates a lack of confidence in domestic industrial capabilities. China�s record on reverse engineering aircraft has not been impressive, and it remains in doubt whether the J-10 will ever join China�s interceptor inventory.
AAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
The above is text from the site that I can't get to work.
HeirToBokassa,
This might raise an eyebrow. Bet your a** OUR friend Pakistan gave them one. Not 100% can't always trust what you find on the net.
Originally posted by gastric cancer
F-16 was designed in 70'.Why it is still being used today?
[edit on 16-6-2004 by gastric cancer]
Originally posted by jazzmaster
Originally posted by gastric cancer
I forgive you for your little Chinese history.
Two mistakes:
1.Taiwan is not a country,It is a part of China.This is common sense!
2.There are no Paracel Islands in the world.there are Chinese South islands.Remember!!!
Before 3500 years,our people had landed Chinese South islands and named them use CHINESE(Did your country exist at that time?).They noted them in books and maps.Our acient books from that times showed it,they were all in Chinese.
Several hundred years ago,our people had already live in these islands.Our acient books from that times also showed it.
In 1933,Chinese government(PRC was established at 1949,so it is none of communist party's business) claim the dominion of south China sea,the same as "communist country".
So these islands belong to China.Simple,never changed!
I suggest you to take some Chinese history course.
If you categorize seafaring and records written by your people, I do not think that is a very solid arguement. If you read elementary history books of the Philliphinos and Vietnamese, you would see that they also have "South China Islands" in their ancient records also.
The Philippines people arrived at their islands 250,000 years ago by land bridge due to the fact of Ice Age. That was when sea level was much lower than it is today. They WALKED there along with Indonesians, Spratly Islands were much more exposed than today.
It is recorded in world history.
In 1624, the Dutch arrived at the island of Taiwan. They found only the aborigine population on the island: there were no signs of any administrative structure of the Chinese Imperial Government. They brought Chinese workers as migrant workers to work on rice fields and plantations.
It is recorded in the record of the Dutch.
It is only after China became Communist that Chinese started to migrate to Taiwan.
The South China Sea consists of four major groups of islands:
1.Spratly Islands
2.Macclesfield Islands
3.Paracel Islands
4.Pratas Islands
Since every country has a different name for America, i guess it is the same for this situation. Naming something in your own language does not mean you own it
Thank you for reading this. And again, waiting for your comment.
"An open-mind is a door to knowledge." Jazzmaster
[edit on 15-6-2004 by jazzmaster]
[edit on 15-6-2004 by jazzmaster]
Originally posted by HeirToBokassa
Pakistan, arguably China's closest ally, has F16s. I have a hard time believing that either the Chinese didn't ask to check them out, or that the Pakistanis would refuse them.
Originally posted by gastric cancer
Mmmm~~~~~
the exchange of nuclear weapon sounds good
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Originally posted by roniii259
I am sorry, but I cannot respect the J-10. I realize that many technology has been copied, but the J-10 is a knock off of a knock off and just copied
american engines that have been around for thirty years and whose tech is incorporated into any modern jet. i would like it still if it werent for the way it was achieved. The Communist Government of China is able to achieve military funding and to develop their cities and enrich their upperclass by taking from the pesants and denying them their basic human rights. I also cannot respect a government that forces woman to abort their child, and will even stick a needle into the head of a child while it is being born to kill it. Do you people in China remember Tinamen Square?