reply to post by A Conscience
The point was that whatever you may call him he took history and gave it an interpretation.
In a time of war the new found state of Israel found its villages surrounded by hostile Arab villages.
This was a time of war, mind you.
Would you not have vacated those villages? Seeing as they act as base of operations for the Arab armies, seeing as the population of the village
itself was attacking the Jewish ones?
Of course you would. And it has nothing to do with ethnicity. It is merely strategy, and it makes perfect sense to do so.
Look, this action makes sense, okay? It makes sense to not let your villages be surrounded by enemy camps and villages.
And they only acted withing the UN established borders!
Can't you at least admit that it makes sense to do so even without the ethnic cleansing thing?
Can't you admit that it might have been a strategic decision seeing as how Arab villages were used for war against the Jewish ones, and that Plan D
only concerned itself with UN established borders?
Doesn't it make sense?
Are you that stuck on your own opinions that you can't see beyond them?
I will admit that I also think the Israelis wanted to kick the Palestinians out of their borders, but not merely because they are Arabs, but because
they were attacking us...
If it was ethnic cleansing, why are there still Druze in Israel? Why do they live and work and serve in the army?
Why are there Israeli Arabs? Why do they study side by side with Jews? Live side by side with them?
My girlfriend is Arab Israeli, how would that be possible if there was ethnic cleansing?
You see this is the thing- I don't need a drastic re-education. I'm pretty moderate in my opinions, I love my country, but I can still condemn it,
because I know it. I know what it is and what it's like. I know the army, and I know who's in it.
I've been in contact with Palestinian population as a soldier only 2 years ago. I know how they're treated.
I can tell you this is neither ethnic, nor is it cleansing.
Above all else, this has nothing to do with the fact that they're Palestinians. This has everything to do with the fact that hamas is not allowing us
to create peace.
Look at the west bank if you don't believe me. In spite of everything that goes on there- There is no terrorism coming out of there. The cities are
growing, and people live well there, and getting better every day.
They are of the same ethnicity as the people of Gaza.
In light of these facts, would you reconsider your statements? Acknowledge the fact that this has nothing to do with race?
And as for cleansing- We are not trying to clean them out in any way.. Only 0.002% of their population have been killed in the last 10 years and
that's including terrorists which are more than 60% of those numbers.
So, once more, this has nothing to do with cleansing as well..
As for the promenade- Wasn't it canceled by order of the high court of Israel?
As for the fence- I agree this should not have happened, but I wonder if you've ever followed through, or were satisfied with what you've read, as
when it is necessary for the fence to go through private land, then private land is requisitioned, not confiscated, and it remains the property of the
owner. Legal procedures allow every owner to file an objection to the use of their land. When private lands are used, owners are offered full
compensation, in accordance with the law; this compensation is offered both as a lump sum and also on a monthly basis.
As for the settlers- Assholes, scumbags, and not Jewish in my eyes.
Notice how these are just singular events and not a full spread epidemic, as we do preach for hate.
Also this is still not ethnic cleansing.
And as for settlements- We got out of Gaza, hopefully we'll come to an agreement with the west bank. Also settlements take up 2% of the west bank
(AFAIK, need to verify)