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Israeli - Palestinian conflict by the numbers (The numbers don't lie)

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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:09 PM
My intensions for this thread are only to dispel the popular belief (misconception)that the Palestinians are the only terrorists in this conflict. This has nothing to do with Judaism or the Jewish people, but rather a group of people who are intent on carrying out their agenda of genocide, under the guise of helping an oppressed ethnic group. It is my belief that Judaism is used as the vehicle for this agenda because it is easy to manipulate the western world into supporting their efforts, due to religion and the history of oppression against the Jews.

No matter which side of the fence you are on, you can't really deny or ignore these numbers. Statistics are good because it's a little harder to put "spin" on the numbers in a effective manner. When the truth is clouded by propaganda, the best thing you can do is look at the numbers and go from there. It's called denying ignorance.

We begin below:


“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.” --Catherine Cook

From September 29, 2000, when the current Palestinian intifada erupted, through January 18, 2008, at least 1446 Palestinian and 124 Israeli youths under the age of 18 were killed in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories. Thousands more have been injured, many permanently.

Remember These Children lists each of these 1570 deaths. Arranged chronologically by date of death, each entry includes the child’s name, hometown, how the child was killed and, where available, the nature of the fatal injury. The documentation, though painful, conveys the personal ­reality of these terrible statistics. The waste of human life—of hope and future promise—is almost too great to contemplate.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Children Deaths by Year:


Israelis and Palestinians Killed in the Current Violence:

American news reports repeatedly describe Israeli military attacks against the Palestinian population as “retaliation.” However, when one looks into the chronology of death in this conflict, the reality turns out to be quite different.

1,072 Israelis and at least 6,348 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

The number of Palestinian deaths is almost certainly an underestimate as it does not include the most recent deaths in the West Bank. B'Tselem, The Israeli Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories reports that 4,908 Palestinians were killed by Israelis and 1,062 Israelis were killed by Palestinians between September 29, 2000 and December 26, 2008. (Visit their statistics page.) The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports that at least 1,440 Palestinians were killed during the Israel’s assault on the Gaza strip, between December 27, 2008 and February 5, 2009. The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs reports that url=]5 Israeli soldiers[/url] and 4 civilians were killed by Palestinians between December 27, 2008 and January 18, 2009, and 1 soldier was killed on January 27, 2009.

According to B'Tselem, deaths between September 29, 2000 and December 26, 2008:
Palestinians Killed: 4,908
Israelis Killed: 1.062

According to UN OCHA, deaths between 27, 2008 and February 5, 2009:
Palestinians Killed: 1,440
Israelis Killed: 10

Total deaths between Sep 29, 2000 and Feb 5, 2009:
Palestinains Killed: 6,348
Israelis Killed: 1,072

The numbers cited above include civilians and combatants killed by members of the opposing nationality (and therefore, do not include Palestinians killed by an explosive device that they set or was on their person, Israelis killed in 'friendly fire' incidents, etc.). The numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, the Israeli closure of border crossing from Gaza, etc.
The figure for Palestinian deaths is extremely conservative, since it is difficult for B'Tselem to report on deaths in the Palestinian territories. The Palestine Red Crescent Society, internationally respected for its statistical rigor, reports significantly higher numbers of Palestinian deaths. We do not doubt the reliability of their data, and only use B'Tselem's more conservative numbers because they collect data on both populations.
In the past we used the statistics provided by Israel’s military for the number of Israelis killed, but they have not updated their statistics page since early in 2006. In addition, there is reason to believe that their numbers may have been somewhat inflated.

Breakdown of Deaths:

123 1,487

731 2,770 - 4,596

People Killed in the course of a targeted killing:
1 386 or more

People who were the object of a targeted killing:
1 233

People killed on own land:
584 (54.5%) 6,217 (98.9%)

People killed on other's land:
487 (45.5%) 71 (1.1%)

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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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* The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors.

Causes of Deaths of Israeli Soldiers:
Suicides - 30
Illness - 14
Accidents - 26
Terror - 6

Israelis and Palestinians Injured: (not updated to reflect latest numbers)

39,019 Palestinians and 8,864 Israelis have been injured since September 29, 2000.

“With no shooting from the Palestinian side, and often little or no use of tear gas to disperse the protests, Israili soldiers have repeatedly fired live ammunition into unarmed crowds.” --Shoot to Maim

[Headline]US Military Aid and the Israel/Palestine Conflict:

The U.S. is providing Israel with at least *$7 million dollars each day in military aid and is giving the Palestinians **$0 dollars in military aid during fiscal year 2009 alone.

“Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing the amounts provided to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War ll. Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars. Israel receives about $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year, which is roughly one-fifth of America's entire foreign aid budget. In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year. This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.” --John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt

Source: "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"

* The source for US military aid to Israel during Fiscal Year 2009 is the Congressional Research Service’s “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel", written by Jeremy M. Sharp, Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated February 3, 2009. According to this report, by early February 2009, the US had already given Israel at least $2.55 billion ($2,500,000,000) in military aid for Fiscal Year 2009.

  • Over the last 20 years, the U.S. has been slowly phasing out economic aid to Israel and gradually replacing it with increased military aid. Beginning in 2007, the U.S. has been increasing military aid by $150 million each year. By FY2013, we will be sending Israel $3.15 billion a year (or an average of $8.6 million a day) and will continue to provide military aid at that level through 2018. U.S. tax dollars are subsidizing one of the most powerful foreign militaries. According to the CRS report, “[current U.S. military aid] grants to Israel represent 18.5% of the overall Israeli defense budget.”

    Contrary to ordinary U.S. policy, Israel has been and continues to be allowed to use over 26% of this military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. According to CRS, “no other recipient of U.S. military assistance has been granted this benefit.” Thanks in part to this indirect U.S. subsidy, Israel’s arms industry has become one of the strongest in the world. “In 2007, it was the 8th largest arms supplier to the developing world.”

    In addition to military aid, the United States continues to provide Israel with additional aid and benefits. The numbers are not yet available for FY2009, but are likely to be significant.

    By all accounts the United States has given more money to Israel than to any other country. The Congressional Research Service’s conservative estimate of total cumulative US aid to Israel (not adjusted for inflation) from 1949 through 2009 is $106.1647 billion.

    A November 2008 Washington Report article “A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: $114 Billion”, by Shirl McArthur, puts the cumulative total even higher.
    According to McArthur, “[T]he indirect or consequential costs to the American taxpayer as a result of Washington’s blind support for Israel exceed by many times the amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel. Some of these ‘indirect or consequential’ costs would include the costs to U.S. manufacturers of the Arab boycott, the costs to U.S. companies and consumers of the Arab oil embargo and consequent soaring oil prices as a result of U.S. support for Israel in the 1973 war, and the costs of U.S. unilateral economic sanctions on Iran, Iraq, Libya and Syria. (For a discussion of these larger costs, see ‘The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion’, by the late Thomas R. Stauffer, June 2003 Washington Report, p. 20.)”

    ** The source for US aid to the Palestinians during Fiscal Year 2009 is the Congressional Research Service's Report [url=“U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians”[/url], written by Jim Zanotti, Analyst in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated February 20, 2009. According to the report the U.S. has never provided Palestinians with military aid (although we have provided Palestinians with aid for policing their own people as well as with humanitarian and development assistance).

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    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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  • The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has provided the Palestinian people with some indirect economic assistance through funds distributed to U.S.-based NGOs operating in the West Bank and Gaza. According to the CRS report, "Funds are allocated in this program for projects in sectors such as humanitarian assistance, economic development, democratic reform, improving water access and other infrastructure, health care, education, and vocational training. The program is subject to a vetting process and to yearly audits..."
    In addition, some funding has occasionally been provided directly to the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority (PA) in an attempt to strengthen it against competing political parties (particularly Hamas) and for use in policing the Palestinian people. Such funds are usually only authorized once Congress has received proof that they will be used for "non-lethal assistance."
    The United States also provides funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), "which provides food, shelter, medical care, and education for many of the original refugees from the 1947-1949 Arab-Israeli war and their families—now comprising approximately 4.6 million Palestinians in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank, and Gaza." (Learn more about Palestinian refugees.)

    $225 million have been appropriated for economic aid to the Palestinians and $75 million for support of PA police training, etc. for FY2009. The U.S. also provided just over $61.5 million (as of February 13, 2009) in emergency humanitarian aid through USAID, UNRWA, and the International Committee of the Red Cross following Israel's assault on Gaza.

    UN Resolutions Targeting Israel and the Palestinians:

    Israel is the target of at least 65 UN Resolutions and the Palestinians are the target of NONE.

    "Aside from the core issues—refugees, Jerusalem, borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N. resolutions against Israel over the years are its unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of the human rights of the Palestinians, including deportations, demolitions of homes and other collective punishments; its confiscation of Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N. Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War." -- Donald Neff

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    UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992:

    1. Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
    2. Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
    3. Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
    4. Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
    5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
    6. Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
    7. Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
    8. Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
    9. Resolution 250: "...‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
    10. Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
    11. Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
    12. Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
    13. Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
    14. Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
    15. Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
    16. Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
    17. Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
    18. Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
    19. Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
    20. Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
    21. Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
    22. Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
    23. Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
    24. Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
    25. Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
    26. Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
    27. Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
    28. Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
    29. Resolution 425: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
    30. Resolution 427: "...‘calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
    31. Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
    32. Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
    33. Resolution 450: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
    34. Resolution 452: "...‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
    35. Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
    36. Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
    37. Resolution 468: "...‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
    38. Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
    39. Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
    40. Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
    41. Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
    42. Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
    43. Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
    44. Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
    45. Resolution 498: "...‘calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
    46. Resolution 501: "...‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
    47. Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
    48. Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
    49. Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
    50. Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
    51. Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
    52. Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
    53. Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
    54. Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
    55. Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
    56. Resolution 607: "...‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
    57. Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
    58. Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
    59. Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
    60. Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
    61. Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
    62. Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
    63. Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
    64. Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
    65. Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

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    Political Prisoners:

    1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 7,383 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

    Homes Demolished:

    There were 0 Israeli homes demolished by the Palestinians, while 24,145 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.
    Statistics Source:

    In addition to the homes demolished by Israel, thousands of Palestinian homes have been destroyed or significantly damaged by Israeli bombing and shelling. On the flip side, while Palestinians have not demolished any Israeli homes, there is one known case of a Palestinian destroying an Israeli home in an explosion.

    “Any humanitarian looking at the sheer number of innocent civilians who have lost their homes can only condemn Israel’s house demolition policy as a hugely disproportionate military response by an occupation army... It is a policy that creates only hardship and bitterness, and in the end can only undermine hope for future reconciliation and peace.” -– Peter Hansen, Commissioner General of UNRWA

    Israeli Settlements on Palestinian Land:

    Israel currently has 121 Jewish-only settlements and 106 "outposts" on confiscated Palestinian land... Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

    “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” --Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949



    When you look strictly at the numbers instead of each biased news article, government announcement, opinion peace, editorial or personal account, you start to get the real picture of what's going on. Numbers don't lie and there isn't much you can do to spin on them, unfortunately the MSM and TPTB would never want you to know these numbers. Lets deny that ignorance and educate as many people as we can about what's happening to our human-brothers. After you digest this information, lets get these numbers out to as many people as possible.



    The End

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    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:30 PM
    Sadly you can post the numbers all you like, Israel's lemmings will parrot their talking points in the face of insurmountable evidence. The rest of the world is starting to realize who the real terrorists and child killers are though.

    S&F x10 Good work researching all that

    [edit on 6/9/2010 by ZombieOctopus]

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    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:34 PM
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    That's why it is important that we educate others on these numbers. If people actually knew what is happening, I'm convinced that they wouldn't allow it to be done in their name.


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    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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    It's important for nabbing the rational ones, it's the rest of them I'm not so sure about. You have a huge population of fundamentalist Christians in America whom would back Israel if the Israeli government had a live 24/7 feed of their guys torturing Palestinians with blow torches and soldering irons. You could literally watch it in your house and yet if anyone pointed that out, they'd brand them anti-semitic for acknowledging the live torture channel. When you really believe that these guys are chosen by an all powerful bronze age wizard, how do you combat that?

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    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:53 PM
    Great work Airspoon. The numbers do not lie. This has been a one-sided fight (if you can it a "fight") for a long time. The suffering of the Palestinian people is one of the greatest ongoing tragedies today, yet our government doesn't seem to bat an eye about it. Our foreign and military aid to Israel is and has been used to kill innocent civilians. We, as taxpayers share in the collective guilt for this.
    Among the UN resolutions I saw nothing regarding the Sabra and Chatila massacres that Israel tried to cover up. Perhaps there were none but hundreds of civilians in both cases were brutally massacred.
    The only comparison I can make is this is tantamount to how the US treated the native american populations in our push westward.
    For those who know the truth it is terribly saddening and frustrating. I pray the world will unite for the Palestinian cause and bring justice and relief to the people of the west bank and Gaza.
    Star and flag, nicely done!

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    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:55 PM
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    I think that if people realized what is happening, they would understand that it is not the hand of god. Of course some hardliners wouldn't care but right now, Americans are only hearing about Palestinian terrorism and not Israeli terrorism.


    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:56 PM
    Excelent work here.
    I'm saving it, this reports are key elements of any rational argumentation.
    Something the Israel Elite (which i feel are more closely related to Babylon than to Zion...) doesn't have on his side.
    Keep it up.

    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:58 PM
    Numbers don't lie, only the one writing them down and the one interperting them do

    No offence

    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:03 PM
    Nice thread and kudos on the brilliant research!

    One question though: Does any of this surprise you?

    The servant shall obey the master and fulfill all of his needs
    The servant shall protect the master even at his own cost.
    The servant shall be condemned for the master's deeds
    The servant shall bleed for the master's deeds
    The servant has no say in his master's decisions other than to follow blindly.
    The servant shall receive no payment for services provided to his master

    Don't ask who serves whom here! :lol":

    A word about the children killed. While it is always saddening to see children die, in this case it is not only appropriate, it is vital! No new generation of terrorists must be allowed to grow into adulthood and wreak havoc of its own. Plus, it is easier to kill them young (they don't fight back, you know where to find them - kindergartens, schools, hospitals - and the benefits are multiplied if you acknowledge the reduced opposition in the future).

    Conclusion: International Law, UN resolutions and all that jazz is for the others, masters and their servants won't lose a moment's sleep over trivia like these. International waters are ours to do so as we please. Those that ask for evidence shall be eternally condemned as racists.

    P.S. Those Arab terrorists in the UN were not idle all these years, fabricating all those numbers, aye?


    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:05 PM

    Originally posted by Dumbass
    Numbers don't lie, only the one writing them down and the one interperting them do

    No offence

    Wow. Explain how you can interpret those numbers in a completely polar opposite fashion.

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    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:10 PM
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    Only ignorant people can interpret 2+2 equaling anything other than 4.
    Second line.


    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:29 PM
    This is very sad to see.

    There's no justifying this, I won't try.

    Just a few questions.
    * You are aware that your numbers include terrorist deaths, right?
    I can provide proof as I've seen the numbers talking about the (insane) death toll in the cast lead operation, and it states that out of the 1400 or so killed 600-700 were terrorists (or was it 500?).
    I'm not sure about the rest of the numbers, but as they have been taken from or whatever it's called, I'm assuming they've also included terrorists in the rest of their numbers.
    Doesn't seem fair that soldiers and terrorists would be counted as civilian casualties, on both sides.

    * Secondly, are you aware that during the cast lead operation hamas soldiers intentionally, at gun point, held entire families in homes with them just so they'd get shot, telling them they're all martyrs for jihad and should be glad to go to heaven?
    They also booby trapped buildings with people inside, barricaded in schools, etc.
    They have also been using ambulances to transport soldiers, and left wounded civilians behind.

    * Thirdly, did you know that hamas has been using civilians as human shields and cannon fodder for years? I'm sure you've all seen videos of armed soldiers running around and grabbing children as they run for cover.
    But this is not about how evil the hamas is, this is about how evil israel is, right?

    I'm not going to start to fend for my country, when presented with death tolls.
    This is done out of respect for the dead, and the OP.
    I regret and am saddened by any lives lost by any civilian of palastine.
    I am saddened by lost homes, destruction of roads, etc.
    I wish we could just end this thing with hamas. I'd be the first to go in gaza and help them rebuild. As it stands today, it seems as if this is not possible.
    I would only like to say one more thing- This is not genocide. This is not ethnic cleansing. Non of these civilians were killed as part of a military objective.
    I hope this is clear to everyone.

    With utmost respect (Which I hope I will receive in return),

    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:35 PM
    I'll give you the number that explains it all.


    that is the years counting from one of the worst mistakes the western world made and haven't cleared up yet. I suggest that the ones who caused the problem will fix it, just as a lot are demanding with BP.

    We, in general, the western world needs to realize that we are the ones who caused that problem, and so, we should fix the problem, not stand by.

    So IMO 63 is the number for me and counting.

    "what part of ~No Offence~ did you all don't get"

    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:38 PM

    Originally posted by airspoon
    reply to post by Dumbass

    Only ignorant people can interpret 2+2 equaling anything other than 4.
    Second line.


    2 quarters + 2 quarters = 1 dollar

    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:41 PM
    Good work Airspoon
    When one considers Hamas was created to be controlled opposition by Israel according to Israeli scholars even the numbers on the Israeli side since then take on a much more painful significance.

    Dumbass you just added apples and oranges

    [edit on 9-6-2010 by Danbones]

    posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:42 PM
    reply to post by airspoon

    But all of this can be answered for.


    Technology always changes things.

    Every single war between a primitive nation and an advanced on ends this way. Change it to Iraq and America, or Russia and Georgia. It is indifferent. This just shows that Israel is no better than any other nation.

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