Originally posted by getreadyalready
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Just how long do you think an AIDS virus would last on a needle stuck on a bomb? A few hours at best. Also where are they going to find all these
needles and it would be very risky just to handle them (if freshly used).
Sounds like propaganda to me.
Actually only a few seconds. HIV dies almost immediately outside of the human body, as do most blood-borne illnesses. That is why they require
"intimate" contact to be spread.
Plus, in an exposion, the needle would probably be sterilized by the explosion, and the chances of it hitting point first are very low.
Lots of misunderstanding in this thread. Asktheanimals is closer to the truth with a few hours, when it's inside a syringe. But I agree with
getreadyalready that getting hit with the needle point is unlikely for a number of reasons and even if you do the chances of infection would be
Sharing needles DOES qualify as the type of contact that can spread the AIDs virus if you've done any research at all about ways AIDs can be spread.
And while what's inside the needle is outside the body, it's not exposed to the air in the same way HIV would be on say, a toilet seat where it
would die quickly. So if AIDs can last 36 days in hermetically sealed syringe, it could last a while in an ordinary syringe. How long would depend on
a number of factors, but it doesn't die instantly or in a few seconds in a syringe as people keep incorrectly saying.
And no, the heat from the explosion wouldn't sterilize it. The shock wave might blast crack the syringe, or it may not.
And regarding the temperature, these IEDs are buried right? So they aren't cooking in direct sunlight. And if they are not at body temperature, what
are you saying, that they are too hot or too cold? How far away from body temperature does it have to get to kill it? I think it's close enough to
human body temperature buried in the middle east to last a while.
My guess is, if the needles were planted in the morning, the threat could be viable for most of the day.
The next day I'm not so sure if there would still be a threat or not, but I think when these are planted there's an expectation for them to go off
within a few hours which is certainly a short enough time for AIDS to survive inside a syringe at close to body temperature which it would be buried
in the ground in the middle east.
Now having corrected some of those misconceptions about the virus dying instantly in a syringe, I do think the story is propaganda more than anything
else. And the threat of getting infected from the needles is low for other reasons, just not the reasons mentioned. For example many times people are
in vehicles when IEDs go off, I think the needle would get bent on impact with the vehicle and if it did enter the vehicle, it would no longer be the
straight projectile it started out as.
And even if you do get a needle stick your chances of infection aren't that high:
The HI virus can be transmitted from one person to another when
1. A person receives HIV-contaminated blood in a blood transfusion,
2. When a person is exposed to needles that are contaminated with HIV-infected blood in the process of injecting drugs,
3. When a person (eg a health care worker) is injured with blood-contaminated needles, syringes, razor blades or other sharp instruments.
4. Unsterile or dirty razors, knives, needles or other instruments are used during cultural practices such as circumcision, scarrification, or
The risk of HIV infection after a needlestick injury with an HIV-contaminated hollow-bore needle, is approximately 0,37% (or one chance out of
If HIV can survive in razors and knives, then certainly it can survive much longer in needles. But the risk of infection is relatively low. But a one
and 370 chance of infection is pretty small if you do get stuck, and probably a less than 1 in 3 chance of getting stuck, so that puts the risk at
less than 1 in thousand right there, if the virus DOES survive.